EPTThe roles are so clear here..... Journalists report, it's their job. So dont blame them for your own shortcomings.
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Me jan
Sweden72 Posts
The roles are so clear here..... Journalists report, it's their job. So dont blame them for your own shortcomings. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:17 Zealos wrote: You just seem to mindlessly hate EG for whatever reason. It was their announcement to make, not his. Quite frankly, if I have to chose between a journalist getting the money to stay afloat, or an actual team, I would always side with the team. The idea that you're bashing them for promoting their sponsors is laughable, which is why they are running 2 team houses and you aren't. I'm not hating them, I just find it hypocritical from Alex to criticize Slasher for doing things which only benefit himself(which is essentially doing his job). I'm not bashing them for promoting their sponsors, I'm just pointing out that EG also only do things which benefit themselves, they're not doing esports charity, so why would they be upset with Slasher doing his job? And that's not how real world works, we don't get to "chose between a journalist getting the money to stay afloat, or an actual team". The team should be protecting their information better, expecting a journalist to not release information for the sake of the general good of esports is absurd. If it was their announcement to make, they should have protected that information better. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:26 Zane wrote: I'm not hating them, I just find it hypocritical from Alex to criticize Slasher for doing things which only benefit himself(which is essentially doing his job). I'm not bashing them for promoting their sponsors, I'm just pointing out that EG also only do things which benefit themselves, they're not doing esports charity, so why would they be upset with Slasher doing his job? And that's not how real world works, we don't get to "chose between a journalist getting the money to stay afloat, or an actual team". The team should be protecting their information better, expecting a journalist to not release information for the sake of the general good of esports is absurd. If it was their announcement to make, they should have protected that information better. The difference is, I don't /expect/ him not to release information for the sake of Esports, but equally, I don't expect teams not to hate him either. People keep making comparisons, well how about this: Shady tabloid news journalists are perfectly within their rights releasing information that they have found, be it about politicians, sports, or some business' next big thing, at the expense of others. However, I'm sure the officials and organisations they hurt avoid said journalists like the plague. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:35 Zealos wrote: The difference is, I don't /expect/ him not to release information for the sake of Esports, but equally, I don't expect teams not to hate him either. People keep making comparisons, well how about this: Shady tabloid news journalists are perfectly within their rights releasing information that they have found, be it about politicians, sports, or some business' next big thing, at the expense of others. However, I'm sure the officials and organisations they hurt avoid said journalists like the plague. I don't have any problem with Alex hating Slasher, I have a problem with the "you only think about yourself" part, which I find hypocritical and/or naive. This might be because Alex got emotional about the whole situation, but still, he's the CEO of a very important team. He should know better. I doubt Slasher gets his information from the teams directly involved in the transfer, he probably gets them from other teams that also bid for the same player, so protecting information is probably pretty difficult, but if Slasher manages to piss enough people off the leaks are going to gradually stop. Then Slasher will have to write real articles. | ||
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Me jan
Sweden72 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:35 Zealos wrote: The difference is, I don't /expect/ him not to release information for the sake of Esports, but equally, I don't expect teams not to hate him either. People keep making comparisons, well how about this: Shady tabloid news journalists are perfectly within their rights releasing information that they have found, be it about politicians, sports, or some business' next big thing, at the expense of others. However, I'm sure the officials and organisations they hurt avoid said journalists like the plague. Probably they will view at jouralist in that way. But at who's expense was last ITG going on? And don't leak important information, keep it within the team. Don't act surprised when journalist's do their job. Thats just immature to me. | ||
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iamtheoneneo
144 Posts
On January 17 2013 23:54 Brawny wrote: Wow, People are STILL thinking this was a gang up in any way? Wheat never said his opinion and just facilitated. The players barely spoke. It was Alex and then TB, no one else. Get real. At what point in the process do you say 'um ok this big thing has just occurred and for whatever reason I have 3 EG members on my panel who are directly affected by this, maybe I should remove one or two of them and get some more neutral guests?' ya know to maybe make the show just that little bit balanced. For all this talk about journalistic integrity, its almost laughable that Wheat made it so one sided. and your correct the 3 members barely spoke but they didn't have to , their childish grins and huffs added to the toxic environment. I still cant figure out just how much Wheat honestly cares, or whether hes just happy to go along for the ride, fuel some flames and then pretend to be everyone's friend at the end of it. (and that btw is a notion not caused by this one occurance but many over the last year) | ||
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Nanoko
Canada45 Posts
It's Not Slasher's Problem. Period. During the show he said, and I quote, "I am not beholden to any league, or company, or team" That is all he had to say, EG doesn't pay him, he is paid to break news. So yeah, ok, EG CAN make a better announcement then him sure, but so what? they can't even keep the INFORMATION under wraps.You'd think if it was worth so much they wouldn't, oh I don't know, let it get leaked so easily? People really think it's Slashers fault for publishing a story he got from outside sources. Are We being Real right now? So what? he's supposed to sit on information that is already public for someone else to report on? Real? Alex Garfield should be ashamed, absolutely ashamed, for his childish behaviour on ITG. I cannot believe, cannot believe, that people actually think anything he said had any legitimacy whatsoever. I mean aside for attempting to make Slasher look like the big "E-Sports traitor" and vilifying him he went on to say that his articles were poorly made? So if Slasher had done a longer, more "professional" article it would be Okay? Moral of the story: If you have some piece of information worth a ton of fucking money, maybe spend some of that money, on keeping it a fucking secret until you want to announce it? I am so incredibly disappointed, ashamed, and saddened by this inexcusable display. I really thought EG was better than that. | ||
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BlackPearl
United States13 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:52 Nanoko wrote: To everyone saying Slasher is in the wrong because "It was EG's Story not his, he stole hype, he ruined the announcement, he stole money from Eg." Etc, Etc. It's Not Slasher's Problem. Period. During the show he said, and I quote, "I am not beholden to any league, or company, or team" That is all he had to say, EG doesn't pay him, he is paid to break news. So yeah, ok, EG CAN make a better announcement then him sure, but so what? they can't even keep the INFORMATION under wraps.You'd think if it was worth so much they wouldn't, oh I don't know, let it get leaked so easily? People really think it's Slashers fault for publishing a story he got from outside sources. Are We being Real right now? So what? he's supposed to sit on information that is already public for someone else to report on? Real? Alex Garfield should be ashamed, absolutely ashamed, for his childish behaviour on ITG. I cannot believe, cannot believe, that people actually think anything he said had any legitimacy whatsoever. I mean aside for attempting to make Slasher look like the big "E-Sports traitor" and vilifying him he went on to say that his articles were poorly made? So if Slasher had done a longer, more "professional" article it would be Okay? Moral of the story: If you have some piece of information worth a ton of fucking money, maybe spend some of that money, on keeping it a fucking secret until you want to announce it? I am so incredibly disappointed, ashamed, and saddened by this inexcusable display. I really thought EG was better than that. The people dissapointed by EG's CEO should really start emailing the sponsors. That's the only way he'll apologize, or regret his actions is if we take away his allowance. : ) User was warned for this post | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:44 Zane wrote: I don't have any problem with Alex hating Slasher, I have a problem with the "you only think about yourself" part, which I find hypocritical and/or naive. This might be because Alex got emotional about the whole situation, but still, he's the CEO of a very important team. He should know better. I doubt Slasher gets his information from the teams directly involved in the transfer, he probably gets them from other teams that also bid for the same player, so protecting information is probably pretty difficult, but if Slasher manages to piss enough people off the leaks are going to gradually stop. Then Slasher will have to write real articles. I don't think it is naive. This is still a fragile scene, I want teams like EG, Liquid, Axiom, Acer ect to be able to make announcements and get a tonne of views from when they sign players or make moves to Korea or whatever, not for some journalist make a little cash from leaking it early. HOWEVER. Having watched some of the key parts of the episode, it is obvious that Alex got far too heated when coming on the show, and if he did want to say something publicly, he should have made a post/announcement (lol) rather than coming onto a show talking openly with the journalist involved, as it was obvious that it would result in unnecessary drama and un-professionalism. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:52 Nanoko wrote: To everyone saying Slasher is in the wrong because "It was EG's Story not his, he stole hype, he ruined the announcement, he stole money from Eg." Etc, Etc. It's Not Slasher's Problem. Period. During the show he said, and I quote, "I am not beholden to any league, or company, or team" That is all he had to say, EG doesn't pay him, he is paid to break news. So yeah, ok, EG CAN make a better announcement then him sure, but so what? they can't even keep the INFORMATION under wraps.You'd think if it was worth so much they wouldn't, oh I don't know, let it get leaked so easily? People really think it's Slashers fault for publishing a story he got from outside sources. Are We being Real right now? So what? he's supposed to sit on information that is already public for someone else to report on? Real? Alex Garfield should be ashamed, absolutely ashamed, for his childish behaviour on ITG. I cannot believe, cannot believe, that people actually think anything he said had any legitimacy whatsoever. I mean aside for attempting to make Slasher look like the big "E-Sports traitor" and vilifying him he went on to say that his articles were poorly made? So if Slasher had done a longer, more "professional" article it would be Okay? Moral of the story: If you have some piece of information worth a ton of fucking money, maybe spend some of that money, on keeping it a fucking secret until you want to announce it? I am so incredibly disappointed, ashamed, and saddened by this inexcusable display. I really thought EG was better than that. No one is saying it is Slashers fault. No one at all. What you saw from Alex was an emotional response to the issue, but he isn’t blaming Slasher. The teams have their own interests and every team owner has pretty much the same opinion on the subject as Alex, though they all state it differently. But no one feels it is Slashers “fault”. The team owners are only saying that him leaking the information early cuts into their bottom line, which I don’t think a lot of people really thought about before this discussion. The team owners are saying the ideal relationship would be if Slasher tried to work with them a little so everyone got exposure. Slasher doesn’t have to work with them, but the teams will then need to take efforts to protect themselves better, which means people may be punished(loss of job, less pay) in the future for leaking stories to Slasher if someone finds out they did. There is no right or wrong, it is just a very open discussion about the relationship the teams have to the press. Personally, I would like to see the teams and press work better on this issue. Why? Because I think it’s a stupid thing to fight over and I enjoy the coverage that Slasher and Gamespot provide. I don’t want the teams to lose on potential income they need and I want the quality coverage we have gotten to date. I don’t want them to have a combative relationship over a minor issue of leaking signings a couple days early. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:52 Nanoko wrote: To everyone saying Slasher is in the wrong because "It was EG's Story not his, he stole hype, he ruined the announcement, he stole money from Eg." Etc, Etc. It's Not Slasher's Problem. Period. During the show he said, and I quote, "I am not beholden to any league, or company, or team" That is all he had to say, EG doesn't pay him, he is paid to break news. So yeah, ok, EG CAN make a better announcement then him sure, but so what? they can't even keep the INFORMATION under wraps.You'd think if it was worth so much they wouldn't, oh I don't know, let it get leaked so easily? People really think it's Slashers fault for publishing a story he got from outside sources. Are We being Real right now? So what? he's supposed to sit on information that is already public for someone else to report on? Real? Alex Garfield should be ashamed, absolutely ashamed, for his childish behaviour on ITG. I cannot believe, cannot believe, that people actually think anything he said had any legitimacy whatsoever. I mean aside for attempting to make Slasher look like the big "E-Sports traitor" and vilifying him he went on to say that his articles were poorly made? So if Slasher had done a longer, more "professional" article it would be Okay? Moral of the story: If you have some piece of information worth a ton of fucking money, maybe spend some of that money, on keeping it a fucking secret until you want to announce it? I am so incredibly disappointed, ashamed, and saddened by this inexcusable display. I really thought EG was better than that. The point is, leaking the news wouldn't help Slasher as much as it would help EG. On top of this, he (Alex) felt that if Slasher had some to him instead of just leaking the news, Slasher, and/or Gamespot would get more money or views by getting exclusive content from EG, in the way of an interview with Jaedong, or a tour of the house or anything. Instead, he just tried to make some quick cash with a few paragraphs written in a rushed way. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:52 Nanoko wrote: To everyone saying Slasher is in the wrong because "It was EG's Story not his, he stole hype, he ruined the announcement, he stole money from Eg." Etc, Etc. It's Not Slasher's Problem. Period. During the show he said, and I quote, "I am not beholden to any league, or company, or team" That is all he had to say, EG doesn't pay him, he is paid to break news. So yeah, ok, EG CAN make a better announcement then him sure, but so what? they can't even keep the INFORMATION under wraps.You'd think if it was worth so much they wouldn't, oh I don't know, let it get leaked so easily? People really think it's Slashers fault for publishing a story he got from outside sources. Are We being Real right now? So what? he's supposed to sit on information that is already public for someone else to report on? Real? Alex Garfield should be ashamed, absolutely ashamed, for his childish behaviour on ITG. I cannot believe, cannot believe, that people actually think anything he said had any legitimacy whatsoever. I mean aside for attempting to make Slasher look like the big "E-Sports traitor" and vilifying him he went on to say that his articles were poorly made? So if Slasher had done a longer, more "professional" article it would be Okay? Moral of the story: If you have some piece of information worth a ton of fucking money, maybe spend some of that money, on keeping it a fucking secret until you want to announce it? I am so incredibly disappointed, ashamed, and saddened by this inexcusable display. I really thought EG was better than that. For me, yeah, I think so. Personally I don't have much of any interest in finding out about a transfer through a leak. I want content, and reading that Team X will sign Player A only they haven't announced it yet to me isn't content. An interview, some history... anything. There's nothing wrong or shady, IMO, about the way Slasher pursues breaking news. It's not just something that I derive any enjoyment from at all. I've checked his Gamespot site once and doubt I will again. | ||
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Me jan
Sweden72 Posts
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On January 18 2013 02:00 Zealos wrote: HOWEVER. Having watched some of the key parts of the episode, it is obvious that Alex got far too heated when coming on the show, and if he did want to say something publicly, he should have made a post/announcement (lol) rather than coming onto a show talking openly with the journalist involved, as it was obvious that it would result in unnecessary drama and un-professionalism. Yeah, the way he conveyed his message was definitely the biggest problem. On January 18 2013 01:57 BlackPearl wrote: The people dissapointed by EG's CEO should really start emailing the sponsors. That's the only way he'll apologize, or regret his actions is if we take away his allowance. : ) Go away. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:45 Me jan wrote: Probably they will view at jouralist in that way. But at who's expense was last ITG going on? And don't leak important information, keep it within the team. Don't act surprised when journalist's do their job. Thats just immature to me. There are a lot of people involved, especially if a player is negotiating with more than one team. Without legally binding agreements, it's going to be tough to keep things quiet. | ||
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Dotq
Norway235 Posts
Next EG announcement wont get a click from me, thats for sure. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 18 2013 01:57 BlackPearl wrote: The people dissapointed by EG's CEO should really start emailing the sponsors. That's the only way he'll apologize, or regret his actions is if we take away his allowance. : ) I agree with the guy above, get out. People stick up for Slasher through claims freedom of the press and expression and then try to smother the opinion of view of Alex Garfield by attempting to undercut his buisness are true hypocrites. | ||
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Me jan
Sweden72 Posts
On January 18 2013 02:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote: There are a lot of people involved, especially if a player is negotiating with more than one team. Without legally binding agreements, it's going to be tough to keep things quiet. Yeah so they (the teams) should figure out how to solve that. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
They pulled the "this is best for esports card" but in general I actually believe that him disclosing information is much better for SC2. If a story goes big on Gamespot that is much more important and is gonna reach more new viewers than on a esports team site. There is very little chance of new viewers suddenly showing up on a team site, whereas gamespot is our gateway to new people, gamers that aren't already following the esport in a given game. I honestly feel that it's the teams that are being selfish. However, it's their every right to be so! I'm not judging them for wanting to get as much out of their announcements as possible, however, attacking slasher for what he does puts you in the wrong. Edit: Alex should have let Geoff do the talking. He is much better at wording things in a respectable manner while having the public listening  Tbh, Slasher could have done a slightly better job responding to the issues being raised, but that still doesn't make what he does wrong. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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