EPTI think Slasher is quite different and that's why I enjoy reading what Slasher does because it feels authentic and is never grovelling while he remains passionate about the scene. TL is really the only other place that writes well but only focuses on the actual games in the articles written (which is probably a good thing). So I think this question also relates to seperate interests (the interests of EG for example) in collission with serious journalism. It'll be really tough for a journalist to act if what you have to look out for the seperate interests of every actor. I realise that Alex Garfield's idea is that esport isn't big enough to do that yet, but I think it's a slippery slope to argue like that in the end. I think journalists should be happy if people with money and power get upset with them, after all, they're there to investigate as objectively as possible and that's often contrary to those interests.
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
I think Slasher is quite different and that's why I enjoy reading what Slasher does because it feels authentic and is never grovelling while he remains passionate about the scene. TL is really the only other place that writes well but only focuses on the actual games in the articles written (which is probably a good thing). So I think this question also relates to seperate interests (the interests of EG for example) in collission with serious journalism. It'll be really tough for a journalist to act if what you have to look out for the seperate interests of every actor. I realise that Alex Garfield's idea is that esport isn't big enough to do that yet, but I think it's a slippery slope to argue like that in the end. I think journalists should be happy if people with money and power get upset with them, after all, they're there to investigate as objectively as possible and that's often contrary to those interests. | ||
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Wivyx
Norway624 Posts
On January 16 2013 21:44 Amestir wrote: Really would like a reply of Nazgul about the whole Snute deal. Taken from the announcement of Liquid´Snute: "It's been satisfying to read the speculation about Snute joining Liquid." | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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Kznn
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On January 16 2013 23:26 bluQ wrote: I hope they gonna boycott slasher ... This would actually become quite a nice show, I doubt a lot of teams actually would start a union against Slasher. How would teams been seen in interviews if Slasher for example don't do them? Thats a pretty big thing for sponsors I bet. (yes theres others that do interviews as well but Slasher got a big market) | ||
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
In my opinion this just shows how deluded Alex Garfield is. Why is he going after Slasher, who is an eSports reporter? This tirade should be aimed at whomever in the EG organization that leaked the information in the first place. How can anyone even have this point of view? Since when is it anyones job but someone on the EG payroll to make EG look good? This is beyond silly. | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On January 16 2013 22:30 Brawny wrote: So somehow one of the leaders in the industry can't fucking say his opinion? Dude's 27 and owns the richest team in SC2. Look, kid, being condescending doesn't make you look smart. I know he's 27 and thats why i can call him a kid and owning a team doesn't mean he knows whats journalism and whats not. He can speak his mind about it but everyone in the world can call him out for it cause his opinion isn't more legit then the hobo on the corner of my street. The fact he runs and owns a successful team is irrelevant to that manner. All his questions and complains were all about how it was hurting his business, which again have nothing to do with journalism itself. Not to mention he attacked (he even threatened him publicly to basically ban him, yeah..... ) Slasher personally on a subject he has nothing to do with. It was not about the news it self, its all about how Slasher steals the spotlight... Bullshit, when information gets leaked, the team or player or what or who ever has nothing to do with it anymore. It's not longer their information. You never tell someone how he should do his job when you dont have shit to do with it, especially when you do something else for a living. That it affects you or your business is still not a legit reason to call someone out for it and attack him. Just like Slasher shouldn't tell Incontrol how to play against who ever in a SC2 match, how ridiculous would that be if Incontrol has to defend his play to Slasher.... It's the same thing, Slasher can give his opinion but how hard would everyone laugh when he would ask questions and attack a player publicly live on a show? Right..... It's all bullshit like so many things that come on on these 'Reddit' shows. | ||
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
Are these leaks killing E-sports... um no. Are these leaks killing the excitement.... absolutely | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
Good points made by all sides, but one thing is certain. This is the tip of the iceberg. Owners like myself may not like it, but if you follow other similar industries, this is the norm, not the exception. There is no stopping it, regardless of who is "right." | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On January 16 2013 23:43 Polygamy wrote: By turning this into a discussion about the money and the site view numbers we are missing another point. I understand the numbers are very important to the corporations involved but taking a step back and looking at it from a fans point of view, I get nothing out of knowing something a few days early from a poorly written leak. However if there is a mystery player joining a team and the excitement builds as fans in the forums make predictions I very much enjoy that building atmosphere for the properly done announcement. Are these leaks killing E-sports... um no. Are these leaks killing the excitement.... absolutely Are these leaks Slasher's fault for getting information from someone inside eg, and doing what he is supposed to do for a living? nop Are these leaks EG fault for letting someone they "trust" leak it and instead of punishing that guy, go on a podcast to bash slasher who was doing his job?... yes | ||
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
I've read some posts about Slasher using twitter is bad journalism, doesn't he usually put something there and then an article? If you don't think that's what media does now you have been in a hole. His writing needs improvement, but him using twitter is smart. If they are afraid that their organization and esports is going to fall because of Slasher, then is esports really worth it? If not Slasher, then someone else. | ||
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
Yeah he seems to understand something Alex doesn't. I guess that where his age shows. Live and learn. Slasher is a journalist, good or bad that's his job. Stop crying go live in North Korea if you can't take it. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On January 16 2013 23:50 NexRex wrote: Alex Garfield and Nazgul are angry at Slasher, and showing it, for breaking the news before them, while TB uses Slasher for his convenience while giving him tips, I wonder who came out worse. If they try to block Slasher, he'll still have his sources to break the news anyway. Their best bet is to actually work with him. The rumors that go around when Slasher breaks the news gives them more hype for when the news actually comes out. I've read some posts about Slasher using twitter is bad journalism, doesn't he usually put something there and then an article? If you don't think that's what media does now you have been in a hole. His writing needs improvement, but him using twitter is smart. If they are afraid that their organization and esports is going to fall because of Slasher, then is esports really worth it? If not Slasher, then someone else. But don't they want to work with him? I think one of the main points was about how they did work with him during the thorzain going to EG event. They want to go back to that, but slasher is looking to do more of the breaking news journalism. I also don't think anybody is saying esports will fail if slasher doesn't stop, they're just annoyed that slasher turned a relationship beneficial to both parties into a parasitic one where one benefits at the cost of the other. | ||
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
If it's true what Alex Garfield said, then Slasher probably doesn't know that (?) | ||
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SXGCoil
United States341 Posts
On January 16 2013 23:39 TheSir wrote: I know he's 27 and thats why i can call him a kid and owning a team doesn't mean he knows whats journalism and whats not. He can speak his mind about it but everyone in the world can call him out for it cause his opinion isn't more legit then the hobo on the corner of my street. The fact he runs and owns a successful team is irrelevant to that manner. All his questions and complains were all about how it was hurting his business, which again have nothing to do with journalism itself. Not to mention he attacked (he even threatened him publicly to basically ban him, yeah..... ) Slasher personally on a subject he has nothing to do with. It was not about the news it self, its all about how Slasher steals the spotlight... Bullshit, when information gets leaked, the team or player or what or who ever has nothing to do with it anymore. It's not longer their information. You never tell someone how he should do his job when you dont have shit to do with it, especially when you do something else for a living. That it affects you or your business is still not a legit reason to call someone out for it and attack him. Just like Slasher shouldn't tell Incontrol how to play against who ever in a SC2 match, how ridiculous would that be if Incontrol has to defend his play to Slasher.... It's the same thing, Slasher can give his opinion but how hard would everyone laugh when he would ask questions and attack a player publicly live on a show? Right..... It's all bullshit like so many things that come on on these 'Reddit' shows. Alright, by that logic, you can't tell Alex what he should do since you're not a team owner. Comparing his opinion to that of a hobo is ridiculous. In his several years of running his team, I'm sure he has a large amount of experience working with the media and therefore has a good idea of how journalism works. "doesn't have shit to do with it"? Alex's team is directly affected by Slasher's journalism. | ||
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FilipSRB
Serbia63 Posts
http://www.rakaka.se/?newsID=20529 Even if we for some reason agree that rules of other industries conserning leaking don't apply here, I think it is pretty obvious that Garfield's reaction was way out of line. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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Wivyx
Norway624 Posts
Brief summary of the parts in swedish: - Sweden has always been among the best countries in the world when it comes to free press. - Yesterday EG's Alex Garfield attacked Slasher's journalism. Here are some excerpts: - Deep-digging journalism is important to rakaka.se, and they do not intend to stand idly by as one of their colleagues are attacked. -If the threats towards Slahser are realized, rakaka intends to react. Rakaka stands by Slasher 100%. | ||
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