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NinjaNitrate
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Digitalis
United States1043 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:09 Immaterial wrote: Seriously... why are people so damn sensitive, especially lately? So frustrating to witness. A player makes an offensive comment to a friend on B.net? BETTER START EMAILING SPONSORS An impassioned discussion takes place on ITG? NEVER WATCHING AGAIN SC2 going through peaks and troughs like anything else? THE END IS NEIGH UPON US This. God I feel like the mayor of crazy town here going through the last 10 pages, do you people really have such thin skins that this shit actually offends you? Like holy fuck, unless u just stepped into the sc2 scene, all of this behavior is to be expected. There are honestly bigger fish to fry if you want to be offended. | ||
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Leru
Romania257 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:19 PviLLe3 wrote: casts numerous tourneys/leagues, is part of numerous shows, does many tuturials, what are your credentials? Being part of shows and being a clown on purpose ( according to him ) in order to get more viewers/maintain his bad rep is what caused this whole discussion. His tournament casting is OK, nothing extraordinary, but I did watch it a couple of times. | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
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PviLLe3
United States305 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:29 matiK23 wrote: Yea because you're either a fan girl or you just heckle to get attention. It's not like the person was acting like a douche to an outside observer. huh? outside observer? you mean that guy that insulted idra and incontrol and then immediately hung up? EDIT** sure what they said probably wasnt kosher but if someone decides to insult my profession and then hang up like a child i dont know how calm i would be or you or anyone would be for that matter | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
but come on, people are like I NEVER KNEW IDRA AND INCONTROL WERE BUDDIES. all of my wats. | ||
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raser
Norway301 Posts
On October 24 2012 16:17 iNcontroL wrote: Actually my "bad reputation" has made me one of the most followed, listened to and publicized figures in SC2. You want to take another crack at pretending I am not doing this right? If you are proud about being famousbecause of how you treat people badly and talk down to people seeing how you think you know better i feel really sorry for you, ssome people would rather not have the fame and keep their dignity instead of selling themself to the public masses. You kinda remind me of this song eric saade - popular . Congratulations you are famous, was it worth it? i hope you come down from your high horse someday. former nihilum shaman rasr | ||
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
I also find it disgusting how idra calls the game terrible but once reality hits him and he sees his paycheck might get smaller all of the sudden the game is perfect and SC2 is in good shape | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:32 turdburgler wrote: am i really the only one who is sitting here going "so what?" about all this drama. djwheat incontrol and idra acted exactly how i expected them to, its what you kind of sign up for if you watch a show with them. destiny acted as expected. painuser is probably the only suprise of the whole thing by all accounts and thats in a positive way. like it or hate it nothing suprising happened last night. i turned the stream off when destiny called in because i dont often agree with his opinions on much of anything and i could tell things were about to go full retard. but come on, people are like I NEVER KNEW IDRA AND INCONTROL WERE BUDDIES. all of my wats. The western scene is trying hard to top the Korean scene drama since they can't beat them at starcraft 2. ps. they are failing, this whole shitstorm is meaningless. but hey if you keep going maybe this thread can reach 2500 pages just like the sotg thread | ||
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r4pture
United States397 Posts
Hmmm. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:26 zefreak wrote: Destiny should write a post about how CASUALS are TURNED OFF by the drama whoring and doom and gloom found on r/starcraft. Then he should go on ItG to talk about it, I think. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
100 pages of Destiny blah blah blah, ITG blah blah blah, EG blah blah blah isn't very productive, and to me seem like ppl are more interested in drama rather than constructive criticism towards the game. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:27 CiCeRoSC2 wrote: The only difference between the EG guys and Destiny is that the EG guys don't think that SC2 will die if Blizzard doesn't do everything the community wants. They want many of the same fixes that Destiny wants, but they also see room for improvement outside of Blizzard. In Destiny's post, he basically said that the community can do nothing to help SC2 grow, its all up to Blizzard. That is what guys like IdrA, incontrol, and wheat were getting so mad about. Destiny then got mad because he thought they were "defending Blizzard," which they clearly weren't. Did Geoff and Greg show their argument well? Probably not, but I do think that their premise is much stronger than Destiny's. i wasnt even particularly mad about his post. he was obviously very dramatic and exaggerated but thats kind of just who he is, i didnt even mention him in my first comment on the whole thing. i called the #savehots people idiots, because they were, but destiny is, on the whole, right. hes just naive and going about it the wrong way. blizzard making shit better would be fantastic. its pretty clear its not gonna happen, or at least not very quickly. best thing to do? fix the things we can do ourselves. worst thing to do? say shits fucked if blizzard doesnt start behaving in a completely different way. geoff was geoff, he makes his point in a really dramatic funny way. anyone who criticizes that and in the same breath defends destiny is a hypocritical moron. no one got upset until destiny came on yelling and cutting off anyone else who tried to talk, and throwing the same short sighted point at us over and over again, despite the fact that no one was disagreeing with that aspect of his argument. | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:10 CiCeRoSC2 wrote: I was one of those guys in BW that mostly played UMS maps when I was 13. I think most of us didn't care about pro BW at all, just like most DOTA players in WC3 didn't care about pro WC3 at all. Just because more people play the custom games doesn't necessarily mean that they are supporting the pro scene at all. As far as I can tell, the people that followed pro BW were the ones that played the normal game. That was just my experience though, I don't think anyone has really looked into this in any scientific fashion. I could be terribly wrong. Maybe it would be different now because the NA/EU pro scene is much stronger and there is better streaming technology. We don't really know though. I think there would certainly be some spillover of people playing UMS/custom maps that would discover esports through that, but I suspect it would be a small proportion of them. Yeah I don't get this "solution" either. People like to play team games with their friends, so we'll give them 4v4s/FFAs on UMS maps and they'll end up watching our 1v1 tournaments on standard maps. Uh what? Why not just play a team game like LoL and then watch tournaments that actually resemble the game you're playing? It's also horrible communication-wise. You can't go around telling people your game is two different things. If the only way out for 1v1 games is to advertise themselves to casuals by pretending they're team games then 1v1 games are fucked. Don't think much people are transitioning from UMS to competitive play either, at least I didn't see that happen around me on BW. Some friends just kept playing UMS for years without giving a shit about the pro scene, and I just kept playing 1v1 and following the pro scene without giving a shit about UMS. Also these friends played BW UMS because there was little else on the market at this time but if it happened again today they'd go for a MOBA in a heartbeat. That's anecdotal evidence obviously but I doubt anyone has better. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:26 zefreak wrote: Destiny should write a post about how CASUALS are TURNED OFF by the drama whoring and doom and gloom found on r/starcraft. There is really no point in doom and gloom. WCS Europe had over 100,000 people watching. It's just a select few who believe that because LoL has five times the viewership for their World Final, that nothing but LoL (and maybe Dota2) can be an e-sport come next year. I've seen plenty of LoL and especially Dota2 tournaments with below 50,000 viewers and around the same amount as a SC2 event. Starladder, one of the bigger Dota2 tournaments and the biggest I believe since the International, was on the same weekend as Dreamhack Dracula, the least hyped big tournament of the year, and had around the same number of viewers the weekend. I might be wrong since you can watch in game client and there might have been different streams other than one listed on TL, but it was hovering around the same 30,000~40,000 as Dreamhack. I've seen plenty of online LoL tournaments on IPL and others that only get 20,000 or below. GOM is hosting an IPL5 qualifier with the best Korean teams in the world and offering free HQ, but all the games are around 2,000~3,000 viewers at the highest. It's not like everything LoL-related brings in millions of viewers. Valve and Riot are doing well, but it's all sunshine and millions of viewers every week over on that side. LoL is doing amazingly now, and I respect it as a different kind of e-sport, but who knows about the future? With the Asian teams getting better and better, and the NA scene doing terribly at the World Finals, what happens if they take over the scene just like Koreans did in SC2? Will the fans keep tuning in if their favorite teams get beat down by "faceless" Koreans and Chinese? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:33 mewbert wrote: I liked destinys arguement, pretty childish behavior from incontrol/idra/wheat but you are pretty naive if you didnt know they were capable of acting like this I also find it disgusting how idra calls the game terrible but once reality hits him and he sees his paycheck might get smaller all of the sudden the game is perfect and SC2 is in good shape watch the show before commenting i said blizzard sucks and i said the game sucks. which is why we cant rely on those things to keep sc2 and esports going. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
What the hell? Ok, I am sure I am not the only one. Lost all respect for him. I used to love djWheat & Apollo casting combination but now....just apollo. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:33 r4pture wrote: Drag people onto the show to berate and insult them, then wonder why SC2 numbers are down. Hmmm. Lol "Drag people onto the show"? Destiny wanted to come on. It was his idea. | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:29 matiK23 wrote: Yea because you're either a fan girl or you just heckle to get attention. It's not like the person was acting like a douche to an outside observer. Woah, hold it there. Lay off the sexist comment. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On October 24 2012 17:35 dynwar7 wrote: Wow seriously? After destiny rage quitted, how much swearing did djWheat use? What the hell? Ok, I am sure I am not the only one. Lost all respect for him. I used to love djWheat & Apollo casting combination but now....just apollo. It's djwheat. He swears. Do you actually get upset when someone swears? | ||
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