Race balance last 6 months. - Page 18

On May 03 2011 07:21 Barca wrote:
Love the excuses people are making up to justify their belief that Protoss is OP.

People are just so defensive.

On May 04 2011 02:48 MrCon wrote:
Sv1, the examples you take have absolutely no effect on the data, it just change the sample size but has no effect on the actual graph, because the graph don't care about groups or what, the graph just takes XvsY and who wins and who loses.
If of the 10000 games, 9999 would be TvZ and 1 would be TvP, it would just mean that the TvP graph is meaningless and no conclusion can be made of it. But it wouldn't mean that the result of the 9999 other games is meaningless.

On May 04 2011 01:05 MrCon wrote:

No point, 2 times in this thread people talked about zergs having a 70% winrate in NASL, so I just checked and posted the facts because I don't like misinformation spreading, that's all.

That's exactly the same as people here ignoring the significant graph and pointing to the 200 games sample graph to strengthen their "point" (which has the word imbalance in it obviously). The korean graph means absolutly nothing, I feel OP shouldn't even have posted it because it's just a justification for trolls now.

On May 04 2011 04:48 Executor1 wrote:

I was one of the people that said it but it wasn't exactly misinformation it was outdated information I didn't realize they had updated the statistics yet (I checked 2 days ago) and zvp was 68 % in zergs favor. 57 percent is still quite substantial though I guess Protoss had a decent week in nasal though^^

On May 04 2011 05:25 Nakas wrote:


Two games were WhiteRa's forfeit to July, four were due to Artosis simply being out of his league at the moment (both figuratively and literally). Ignore those 6 outlier datapoints, and the percentage actually falls below 50%.

On May 04 2011 19:15 W2 wrote:You can't argue against statistics. Sweeeeeeeet.

On May 04 2011 Dragar wrote:
Do bear in mind that ZvP could quite easily be balanced (or even Z favoured!) if Zerg has some favourable (or at leas 50% success) all-ins, or Protoss executes their 50%ish allins quite often. Top level Z play has pretty much moved toward just that. I can't recall seeing a top level ZvP that didn't involve an all-in from one side or the other.

That's not a good game though!

On May 04 2011 05:25 Nakas wrote:


Two games were WhiteRa's forfeit to July, four were due to Artosis simply being out of his league at the moment (both figuratively and literally). Ignore those 6 outlier datapoints, and the percentage actually falls below 50%.

On May 04 2011 22:23 Sajiki wrote:

actually you CAN argue against these statistics as theyre not here to prove anything but simply to showcase the.. well.. win/loss ratio per race in international tournaments.
it still seems like 80% of the ppl posting in this thread have still not understood this thread wasnt ever, is not and will never be about race imbalance.
and besides, whats being said around 10 times now, these statistics are VERY fragile as they only contain wins and losses in the official tournaments and therefore only few games overall.

Thanks for publishing this data. Now whenever a zerg complains I can just link him to this thread

Basically pro zergs state that they are afraid of ZvP in their pre-match interviews but then proceed to win more than they lose. Rinse and repeat for 6 months, to instill the image that ZvP is imbalanced.

You can't argue against statistics. Sweeeeeeeet.

On May 04 2011 17:49 jmbthirteen wrote:


Do you really want to go there? I mean I can understand the point about July's WO wins. But come on. Haypro lost 0-2 to Squirtle. When was the last time Haypro won a match against anyone? So take those two Protoss wins out of the equation. Moonglade lost to Axslav. Moonglade is in the same boat as Haypro. He hasn't been playing well at all lately. Machine lose to Hasuobs. I think everyone would agree that Hasu is the far superior player. So get rid of those two losses too. Ignore those 6 outlier datapoints and things dont look so bad again do they?

You can't just go ignoring matches on one side because of player skill and not ignore matches on the other side.

On May 04 2011 22:30 Dragar wrote:
Do bear in mind that ZvP could quite easily be balanced (or even Z favoured!) if Zerg has some favourable (or at leas 50% success) all-ins, or Protoss executes their 50%ish allins quite often. Top level Z play has pretty much moved toward just that. I can't recall seeing a top level ZvP that didn't involve an all-in from one side or the other.

That's not a good game though!