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Heyo TeamLiquid,
In the interest of increasing the quality of viewership for those who watch streams (such as my own), I wanted to gauge the popularity/unpopularity of different things that streamers tend to do on their channels. I understand that poll threads are generally discouraged, but I feel like a thread like this would really help streamers get an idea of what people enjoy watching. It's often difficult to see where public opinion lies, as many people tend to disagree and you don't get an accurate snapshot. Let's get straight to it!
NOTE: This thread has been approved by a couple mods thru IRC, so please contact me first if there's an issue.
Credit to Torte de Lini, Jibba, etc for helping me with polls
Poll: What is the main reason you watch streams?Entertainment - It's fun to watch good games and be "in" the life of a progamer (729) 55% Education - I want to learn more about good gameplay (572) 43% Other - post below (15) 1% 1316 total votes Your vote: What is the main reason you watch streams? (Vote): Education - I want to learn more about good gameplay
(Vote): Entertainment - It's fun to watch good games and be "in" the life of a progamer
(Vote): Other - post below
Poll: Which of these is most important to you in a stream?Interaction with the audience through chat + voice (645) 52% Highest level of gameplay, no matter other factors (465) 37% Interaction with fellow progamers through skype/ventrilo (68) 5% High video/audio quality (46) 4% Good music (20) 2% Other (post below) (8) 1% 1252 total votes Your vote: Which of these is most important to you in a stream? (Vote): Highest level of gameplay, no matter other factors
(Vote): Good music
(Vote): High video/audio quality
(Vote): Interaction with the audience through chat + voice
(Vote): Interaction with fellow progamers through skype/ventrilo
(Vote): Other (post below)
Poll: Music?Usually! I like hearing most music, but sometimes I'll mute it (464) 40% Not usually! If it's music I'm really into then sure, but mostly I'll mute (310) 27% Yes! I always am interested in hearing music of the streamers choice as they play (234) 20% Never! I prefer to just play my own music or have no background music (153) 13% 1161 total votes Your vote: Music? (Vote): Yes! I always am interested in hearing music of the streamers choice as they play
(Vote): Usually! I like hearing most music, but sometimes I'll mute it
(Vote): Not usually! If it's music I'm really into then sure, but mostly I'll mute
(Vote): Never! I prefer to just play my own music or have no background music
Poll: Do you enjoy hearing the streamer talk about the game as he plays?Yes! I want to learn more about their insight, and it would make or break a stream (984) 81% Why not? It's cool to hear, but it doesn't make or break a stream for me (212) 17% No! I prefer if the streamer concentrates on his game (19) 2% 1215 total votes Your vote: Do you enjoy hearing the streamer talk about the game as he plays? (Vote): Yes! I want to learn more about their insight, and it would make or break a stream
(Vote): Why not? It's cool to hear, but it doesn't make or break a stream for me
(Vote): No! I prefer if the streamer concentrates on his game
Poll: Would you like to see coaching lessons streamed by those who coach?Occasionally it's cool, but I'd mostly like to see gameplay (495) 44% Yes! I really enjoy learning through the lessons of others (353) 31% No! I'd much rather just watch the streamer play games (274) 24% 1122 total votes Your vote: Would you like to see coaching lessons streamed by those who coach? (Vote): Yes! I really enjoy learning through the lessons of others
(Vote): Occasionally it's cool, but I'd mostly like to see gameplay
(Vote): No! I'd much rather just watch the streamer play games
Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (592) 52% No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (361) 32% Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (185) 16% 1138 total votes Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream? (Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming!
Poll: Do you like streamers doing things other than serious 1v1 games?Sometimes, only for streamers I personally like a lot (480) 43% No! I only want to see regular StarCraft games (409) 37% Usually, but I prefer if they stay in the realm of SC2 (131) 12% Yes! I often think it's fun to watch the streamer play UMS/team games/other fun games with friends (94) 8% 1114 total votes Your vote: Do you like streamers doing things other than serious 1v1 games? (Vote): Yes! I often think it's fun to watch the streamer play UMS/team games/other fun games with friends
(Vote): Usually, but I prefer if they stay in the realm of SC2
(Vote): Sometimes, only for streamers I personally like a lot
(Vote): No! I only want to see regular StarCraft games
Poll: What sort of games are most interesting?Ladder (698) 66% Tournament games (203) 19% Practice with teammates (144) 14% Other (12) 1% 1057 total votes Your vote: What sort of games are most interesting? (Vote): Practice with teammates
(Vote): Ladder
(Vote): Tournament games
(Vote): Other
If there are other things you have input on for streams, feel free to PM me with poll ideas. I know I certainly appreciate your input, and hope other streamers take this into consideration as well.
edit: I'd also appreciate if you post comments in this thread as well - I'm really interested in your feedback, plus that would let this thread stay more active and collect more data! ^_^
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Cool idea! The biggest thing for me is just whether the streamer talks. I understand its hard to talk and play, but thats what will have me watching someone else video game. I enjoy streams from both an educational and observatonal (mindlessly watching) perspective and will generally only watch streams where they talk. The reason I think Steven Bonell got so popular (in addition to him being hilariously offensive) was just that he NEVER stopped talking as of 3 months after he started streaming. I think Sheth has gotten massively popular because he mixes up humor/light trash-talking with almost always commenting on why he's doing what he's doing.
edit: oh yeah! One of the really cool things Steve does is stream tournament games and I think that gets a lot of viewers as well cause you can watch his screen and have the commentators going at the same time it's really cool.
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I think that some of your options are kinda bad, like *Highest level of gameplay, no matter other factors*. On the other options other factors are available, and that kind of leading questions make these polls even more inaccurate than they originally are :/
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On May 01 2011 03:57 twstdletz wrote:
Cool idea! The biggest thing for me is just whether the streamer talks. I understand its hard to talk and play, but thats what will have me watching someone else video game. I enjoy streams from both an educational and observatonal (mindlessly watching) perspective and will generally only watch streams where they talk. The reason I think Steven Bonell got so popular (in addition to him being hilariously offensive) was just that he NEVER stopped talking as of 3 months after he started streaming. I think Sheth has gotten massively popular because he mixes up humor/light trash-talking with almost always commenting on why he's doing what he's doing.
Yeah, I've recently heard a lot of positive feedback on Sheth's stream as well - thanks for your input 
On May 01 2011 03:57 tablet wrote:
I think that some of your options are kinda bad, like *Highest level of gameplay, no matter other factors*. On the other options other factors are available, and that kind of leading questions make these polls even more inaccurate than they originally are :/
What's wrong with that option? I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but I do want to make these polls portray the opinion of viewers as much as possible.
For example, IdrA pretty much never talks on his stream AFAIK, and he's immensely popular - most likely capturing the viewer crowd of those who only want to see high level gameplay.
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On May 01 2011 03:57 twstdletz wrote:
Cool idea! The biggest thing for me is just whether the streamer talks. I understand its hard to talk and play, but thats what will have me watching someone else video game. I enjoy streams from both an educational and observatonal (mindlessly watching) perspective and will generally only watch streams where they talk. The reason I think Steven Bonell got so popular (in addition to him being hilariously offensive) was just that he NEVER stopped talking as of 3 months after he started streaming. I think Sheth has gotten massively popular because he mixes up humor/light trash-talking with almost always commenting on why he's doing what he's doing.
Definitely a valid point, but look at IdrA. 2 hours of nonstop games, with no chat, and he routinely draws 10k viewers. The highest level of gameplay possible draws people in more than anything, in my opinion.
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I like sheth's stream cuz he talks while he plays, but if machine or idra's stream is on. i'll switch over to them. Fan/friend loyalty and also higher, but not by much, skill level.
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Another thing i love is when pro players stream cup games adds a little more excitement to the game.
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The MOST important things to me:
- That the streamer talks! I don't care if it's a pro or a scrub, I want to hear commentary and thought process.
- That the streamer only plays 1v1 ladder games. If I see team games, I immediately close the stream no matter if it's a popular community person or someone else. I hate team games, they're boring, they lack any kind of intensity, they're just not fun to watch. I also don't like custom 1v1s and usually leave those streams, too. I just really like 1v1 ladder, it's the most exciting for me. I get bored actually playing team games, too, so maybe that's it - I just love playing and watching 1v1.
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On May 01 2011 04:04 Kyles92 wrote:
Another thing i love is when pro players stream cup games adds a little more excitement to the game.
Oh, thanks - new poll being added
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On May 01 2011 04:05 densha wrote:
The MOST important things to me:
- That the streamer talks! I don't care if it's a pro or a scrub, I want to hear commentary and thought process.
- That the streamer only plays 1v1 ladder games. If I see team games, I immediately close the stream no matter if it's a popular community person or someone else. I hate team games, they're boring, they lack any kind of intensity, they're just not fun to watch. I also don't like custom 1v1s and usually leave those streams, too. I just really like 1v1 ladder, it's the most exciting for me. I get bored actually playing team games, too, so maybe that's it - I just love playing and watching 1v1.
What's the difference between ladder and practice games with teammates? I find you usually get much more interesting games with teammates.
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I really like streams where the player tells the audience why he makes some of his decisions, either during or after the game. Then you can get into the mind of someone better than you, and expand your own game play.
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nice polls. i hope they help
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Nice thread
Personally I watch streams for 2 reasons
- to learn.. for me this means watching high skilled protoss players and trying to see the difference between me and them ( whitera, huk, tyler, incontrol, minigun and so on)
- for fun.. watching terran or zerg players who are entertaining to watch ( destiny, idra, jinro etc..)
For me the most important thing is to be able to learn from the player so i am searching for the highest level of play possible.. the second most important thing for me is the player commenting on most of the stuff he is doing and why he is doing it ...this is the most helpful thing ever for someone who is trying to level up his play by watching livestream ( like white-ra, tyler, huk sometimes, incontrol ).. If there is music this means the streamer isn't talking so i prefer listening to my own.. I prefer not watch coaching and i don't mind profanity/racism/insulting cause im mostly ignoring it and focusing on the relevant information.. And no I don't like streamers playing custom games, 2v2's etc etc.. But I like to see pracc sessions or clan in-house games like EG ones with Incontrol ( they were providing a lot of useful insights )
yes and forgot to add - quality..
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uihm, the option about racism, I dont know really. Find that it's not something that you joke about. And I personally dont wanna hear it myself. Dont know about the general so. But otherwise just interracting and having good games is really awesome. Or just good games really.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
On the Poll: Which of these is most important to you in a stream? I haven't answered because interaction AND quality of game is important, bar that, I answered them all, because this thread is cool and useful to all streamers.
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Very interesting that Ladder seems to be the game type of choice.
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Nice poll, thanks for making it.
My favorite Progamer stream is White-ra's one. In my opinion he's got everything right. I love to watch him play ladder games while speaking to the audience and explaining his play. I believe that "Practice with teammates" may be the most interesting to watch, but overall, Ladder offers quite an entertaining experience.
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List of things I find important with 1 being the most important one.
1. Interaction with the viewers: I am about 10 times as likely to keep watching a stream where the pro talks while playing compared to just playing music.
2. Ladder/tournament play or other serious 1v1 games: If I turn on a stream and see the streamer play 4v4 or some random custom game I instantly switch to another stream.
3. Quality, most importantly that the stream does not lag.
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I often will turn streams off because of bad music. I have no interest in watching a stream muted, because I hate watching without game sounds.
Profanities and racism dont bother me at all. I dont mind the streamer saying harsh thinks about their opponents on stream, but I dont care for them actually typing bm things to their opponents.
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Other - Cella eating hamburgers and singing beautifully.
But then again I don't watch that many streams with all the tournaments going on.
Maybe pros talking while playing like I've seen InC, Idra and Tyler do a few times, that's very educative and makes it something different than for example tournament games.
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On May 01 2011 04:00 Rhyme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 03:57 twstdletz wrote:
Cool idea! The biggest thing for me is just whether the streamer talks. I understand its hard to talk and play, but thats what will have me watching someone else video game. I enjoy streams from both an educational and observatonal (mindlessly watching) perspective and will generally only watch streams where they talk. The reason I think Steven Bonell got so popular (in addition to him being hilariously offensive) was just that he NEVER stopped talking as of 3 months after he started streaming. I think Sheth has gotten massively popular because he mixes up humor/light trash-talking with almost always commenting on why he's doing what he's doing. Definitely a valid point, but look at IdrA. 2 hours of nonstop games, with no chat, and he routinely draws 10k viewers. The highest level of gameplay possible draws people in more than anything, in my opinion.
If IdrA commentated on his games as he played them like Sheth does, he'd be even more popular than he is now. I know I would watch him more for sure.
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Some people who stream have very good music, but if it gets to a song I dont like or am not feeling I'll just mute it for 3-4 minutes.
I'd prefer if streamers dont talk while they're in game, so they dont get distracted, but after the game they can discuss what went wrong/right and answer questions from chat. Thats always interesting.
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what i really like is discovering new type of music/artists and also when i struggle in one match i try to see what the player is doing. For example i copied your TvZ 1/1/1 hellion marine medivac followed by 2 banshee and i win more often now :D
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I really much prefer streams without music. At best it'll mostly be music I like and people who don't like it will be complaining in chat and the streamer is less likely to interact with the audience, and at worst it's truely awful from my point of view and there's no possibility of interaction if it's muted. Additionally I quite like the game sounds and either option is detrimental to that.
I won't watch racist, sexist or otherwise overly abusive streamers at all, though mild language isn't really an issue, espexially during a frustrating game or something as a slip up.
Finally audience interaction of some sort, even if it's just talking aloud as opposed to a dialogue is a must. People like Sheth and MrBitter are perfect examples of the kind of streams I'll watch 24 hours a day if they're up and I have the time.
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I actually watch streams solely for educational value but that in itself is entertaining to me. Who said learning can't be fun? And the thing that matters most to me is the skill of the player. I just don't really like watching bad or mediocre players. My favorite streamers are the ones who play fast, and well.
Commentary is neutral for me. I appreciate commentary but I don't care if the streamer doesn't or can't talk. The reason commentary can be kinda bad for me is that the streamer will talk sporadically. So there will be minutes of silence, during which I'll want to mute game sounds and play my own music. But I don't know if he's going to say something mind-blowing the next second. Basically, I just watch streams because I like to watch the FPView of pros and gain insight for my own play.
Music also doesn't matter. I'll usually mute the stream and play my own music because I don't like hearing game sounds (because I usually do other stuff too while having a stream open). But if a streamer has music that I like, I'll just listen to that.
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very nice survy, considering there are so many streams right now
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About the profanity / racism thing, if the guy streaming is being racist the I'm not going to watch it. As for profanity, I don't get offended by it but if someone can't say anything without cursing (like huk) I'll turn it off because I'll get annoyed at how stupid and ineloquent it sounds. I'm surprised at the results of that poll actually.
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Interesting thread polls, thanks.
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Love the poll options, they're all separated and not extreme yes/no answers.
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I think that ladder is a big choice is because there is always something on the line, you don't know who your gonna get as your opponent, and so many things can happen in those games that differ from standard play so im not too surprised by any of the choices stated.
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Really nice thread.
I'm a big stream watcher, it's fairly obvious the streams where the broadcaster has a microphone and uses it are the most popular and well received. I haven't heard Idra talk much but he's one of the few that can totally get away with that whilst maintaining a huge viewer count.
Tyler has a webcam active as he plays which is pretty cool & unique.
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I really like it when the streamer is interacting with someone else in skype. Nothing beats hearing destiny and those he's playing with and teammates and such shooting the shit and criticizing each other's gameplay decisions. It is like listening to a radio show, and when something interesting happens I can alt tab into it and see it go down.
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On May 01 2011 05:35 OldManZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 04:00 Rhyme wrote:On May 01 2011 03:57 twstdletz wrote:
Cool idea! The biggest thing for me is just whether the streamer talks. I understand its hard to talk and play, but thats what will have me watching someone else video game. I enjoy streams from both an educational and observatonal (mindlessly watching) perspective and will generally only watch streams where they talk. The reason I think Steven Bonell got so popular (in addition to him being hilariously offensive) was just that he NEVER stopped talking as of 3 months after he started streaming. I think Sheth has gotten massively popular because he mixes up humor/light trash-talking with almost always commenting on why he's doing what he's doing. Definitely a valid point, but look at IdrA. 2 hours of nonstop games, with no chat, and he routinely draws 10k viewers. The highest level of gameplay possible draws people in more than anything, in my opinion. If IdrA commentated on his games as he played them like Sheth does, he'd be even more popular than he is now. I know I would watch him more for sure.
Yeah, that's why I said it was "definitely a valid point." 
I'm of the opinion that consistent high level play is most important.
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Such a great bunch of polls. It made me think of what I enjoy in a stream.
For one, I mostly dislike music. It almost never matches my taste and I would much rather hear their insight or their conversation on Skype with other community members. If you insist on music though, please make sure you have a decent bitrate because the audio compression artifacts on certain streams are just unbearable.
So video quality is important but not a deal-breaker for me. I find myself caring for lag-free rather than super-high graphics. As long as I can see you micro those banelings fluidly whilst you take out an entire worker mineral line, we're cool.
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nice survey
I might try to commentate a bit more.
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The best kind of streamer is the one who:
- Has a clear and good resolution stream which doesn't lag
- Checks his streamchat often to comment on what's being said, interacting with his viewers
- Talks through the games explaining his thought process on the go
- Has 'character' or 'charisma'
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On May 01 2011 05:35 OldManZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 04:00 Rhyme wrote:On May 01 2011 03:57 twstdletz wrote:
Cool idea! The biggest thing for me is just whether the streamer talks. I understand its hard to talk and play, but thats what will have me watching someone else video game. I enjoy streams from both an educational and observatonal (mindlessly watching) perspective and will generally only watch streams where they talk. The reason I think Steven Bonell got so popular (in addition to him being hilariously offensive) was just that he NEVER stopped talking as of 3 months after he started streaming. I think Sheth has gotten massively popular because he mixes up humor/light trash-talking with almost always commenting on why he's doing what he's doing. Definitely a valid point, but look at IdrA. 2 hours of nonstop games, with no chat, and he routinely draws 10k viewers. The highest level of gameplay possible draws people in more than anything, in my opinion. If IdrA commentated on his games as he played them like Sheth does, he'd be even more popular than he is now. I know I would watch him more for sure.
Let's get the next sotg to 20k viewers then he'll do live coaching sessions all week.
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Interaction with the viewers and on-the-go analysis of the game draws me in a lot, which is why I really enjoy Spanishiwa's, Artosis' and TotalBiscuit's streams.
Watching IdrA is fun because he is such a solid player - but I always mute his music. Not a huge fan of dubstep.
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I really like desrow/Catz/Drewbie/Hashe and will go to them when they stream.
I enjoy it when they respond to chat, and just talk. It doesn't have to be constant, but some interjection to know there is a person and not an AI is crucial. Even talking with friends on Vent/TS/Skype/Shouting across the house (only one place this happens  ) gives a more human element.
The lesson part is interesting, and I will look at dia/masters lessons as there are sometimes things mentioned that I do not know.
The music: Don't play Butterfly on repeat for 5 hours. Please don't. I prefer more neutral music, so Huk/Idra fail on that count for me.
Slight profanity is OK, but if they are constantly trashing people, and not in a tasteful way, no thank you.
I like it when streamers I know play UMS games, but not all games. Some are much better when talking. Best example is a while back when the entire ROOT team was on the debate UMS, and they were constantly mocking each other.
EDIT: Please don't be constantly shouting either, and be intelligible, TB completely fails on the shouting count for me. Not too sure about his game knowledge. I do know there are others who like him and I'm fine with that.
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One thing that really bugs me is watching people browse the internet.
Huk is definitely the biggest offender here. I never turn on his stream anymore because when I did he was either watching K-Pop on youtube or browsing Facebook or Teamliquid.
While I like commentating, at least IdrA never streams himself browsing the internet, because no one cares about that. Seems like they're just trying to get more ads or something.
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On May 01 2011 07:16 Minigun wrote:
nice survey
I might try to commentate a bit more.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting that extreme a response tbh :O
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I wonder why Ladder games > customs with teammates/friends. Ladder gives me boring games sometimes.
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everything in steven bonnells stream is the best
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The only time I don't listen to a stream with commentary is when I'm trying to sleep, and then I just find a random stream with no music. (Soothing noises of sc2 UI as I drift off to sleep lulz.)
I realize being able to articulate your decisions while in the midst of a game is really hard, but it's incredibly educational, and it's much more entertaining than just watching in silence. (White-ra gets so much respect from me for commentating his play in English. Thanks dood <3) You get a bit of the player's personality, you feel like they care about the viewers, aren't just playing and threw on the stream as an after-thought, and it keeps you engaged for an extended period of time.
Music is meh. I like to hear the gamesounds, and if the music is quieter and not obnoxious I don't mind it, but on a lot of streams it's really annoying.
I enjoy team games if and only if you can hear all players on the team talking, and they have funny personalities to begin with. The Root team games with day9 on the call the other night were hilarious.
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retweeted interested to see what the community has to say
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- There's a few streams I won't watch simply due to musical selection... Huk's or Idra's come to mind Watching a stream muted is not a good option because it's generally boring.
- There's a few streams I won't watch simply due to the maturity level of the streamer. Won't name anyone since it's random flaming but it should be quite obvious.
- Audience interaction is good, not necessarily in the "Let's take a question from the audience!" type of way. Showing their thought process when they're going through a game like Trump or Tyler going over replays and explaining stuff is both interesting and helpful.
- Something like qxc's humanizes the pro, but it gets annoying after a while.
- Quality doesn't matter much unless it's horrendous. If given the option, I tend to go for 360 because it's the lowest that's clear enough to see everything well but it saves on bandwidth and is less choppy.
- Level of play is secondary since the people I'd watch are pros which are all vastly better than me. Whether I'm watching MC or a lower-tier pro, there's entertainment and ideas to be had.
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On May 01 2011 07:24 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 07:16 Minigun wrote:
nice survey
I might try to commentate a bit more. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that extreme a response tbh :O
ive been doing that, its hard/tough process tbh whenever i match someone real good i apologize and say i will focus and won't commentate haha XD
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Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (188)
51%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (108)
29%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (71)
19%
367 total votes
Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
(Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming!
I find it a bit scary that so many people are okay with racism in "moderation". This little statistic does not reflect well upon the voters in the poll.
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My favourtie stream is idra because I am also a zerg player but he is the best of the best it seems when it comes to the people streaming. The other streams I enjoy are white-ra because he is simply awsome and FXOSheth because of his manner and mad skill. Skill > entertainment IMO.
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On May 01 2011 08:05 Duoma wrote:Show nested quote + Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (188)
51%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (108)
29%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (71)
19%
367 total votes
Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
(Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! I find it a bit scary that so many people are okay with racism in "moderation". This little statistic does not reflect well upon the voters in the poll.
I think most people are skipping over that as they read and just see it as BM/bad language. That being said, I made sure to say I really disliked it.
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On May 01 2011 08:09 fadestep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 08:05 Duoma wrote: Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (188)
51%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (108)
29%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (71)
19%
367 total votes
Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
(Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! I find it a bit scary that so many people are okay with racism in "moderation". This little statistic does not reflect well upon the voters in the poll. I think most people are skipping over that as they read and just see it as BM/bad language.
Definitely this. I've never heard anyone being racist against their opponents on a stream, especially considering 99% of the time they don't even know what race he is.
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I watch a lot of streams early in the morning looking after my baby daughter (she thinks 6am is a good time to get up). For me to enjoy a stream I absolutely need:
Watchable video with reasonable audio. This means 480p, 540p or better at maybe 600kbps or above, and probably 80kbps audio. Swap to mono; no one will hear a difference. Check your stream full screens correctly - if it letterboxes your aspect ratio if off in a setting somewhere.
Regular action. Ladder is good but pretty much anything that's competitive 1v1. Long pauses or too much looking at a replay is boring.
Commentary and analysis are a big bonus but I can understand people who don't want to chat during a game. A bit of chat at the start or between games is really good.
Personally being a gold leaguer I'm int too picky about the level of play. I get a lot out if watching Plat and above players, sometines more from a non masters player cos I can spot mistakes!
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Other - I mostly watch them due to boredom.
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Also, I am not okay with racism or gay jokes on a stream. I ticked the wrong response in the poll. I am fine with swearing, but anything actually prejudiced is not cool.
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Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
I have absolutely no problem with profanity, but I detest racism.
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On May 01 2011 08:07 Ruyguy wrote:
My favourtie stream is idra because I am also a zerg player but he is the best of the best it seems when it comes to the people streaming. The other streams I enjoy are white-ra because he is simply awsome and FXOSheth because of his manner and mad skill. Skill > entertainment IMO.
The thing that I prefer with white-ra and Sheth over Idra is that they actually speak while they're playing. I also speak Russian, so when white-ra is commentating in Russian I can still understand him. I find it beneficial to hear the player explain why they're doing what they're doing because it helps me understand the decision and it helps to improve my decision making in game.
While I enjoy Idra's stream, I will usually just watch the vod's since his chat is full of trolls and the lack of talking on stream means he isn't going to interact with anybody so it doesn't matter when I watch it. I'll watch guys like Sheth and desrow when they're live because there is that interaction with the viewers. And if the streamer talks on stream, it's easier to find out about their personality.
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This is actually a really nice/informative poll
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On May 01 2011 09:35 Poobah wrote:
Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
I have absolutely no problem with profanity, but I detest racism.
Yeah that's pretty much what I thought. I didn't really like that question tbh - it lumped 'racism' in with profanities which I find a bit silly. (and made it difficult to choose an answer)
I have no problem with someone saying "FUCKING DT'S!" if they lose to dark templar, but I'm not exactly cool with racism.
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Three streams I watch which differ in style are Destiny, IdrA, and Sheth. I think each illustrate some positive aspects to streaming.
IdrA
- Although IdrA never talks or communicates much, watching his style of play is very compelling. It's very rewarding watching such crazy skills from the perspective of the gamer.
Destiny
- High level of play with hilarious commentary though not that much interaction with viewers. He also plays in high graphics which makes it better visually to watch (both destiny/sheth play on low graphics)
Sheth
- His stream has great communication with his viewers. It's awesome asking someone like Sheth a question about starcraft.
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Usually I like IdrA's music, so watching his amazing play is even more awesome.
QXC's stream was hilarious! He took in all the obnoxious retardism of stream spammers and turned it into pure comedy. I have no idea how he could multitask between SC2 and chat so easily.
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For certain streamers, parts of the graph would be larger. Ex. Skill would be like 65% on IdrAs stream but all the other sections can overall still make the stream even better.
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It's kind of like seduction in a way. You wanna have the really good quality and framerate to grasp viewers attention, then you gotta talk to them and let them know who you are and what you have to offer.
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i think high level play is the most important. I tend to prefer players that play for longer games, i.e. upgrade and expo heavy styles. I also really like innovative play.
In terms of interaction, I like being entertained, so catz is my FAVOURITE by a long shot.
Here's the streams I watch and the key highlight for me.
Catz - extremely innovative, absolutely love his music, his explanations (when he gives them) and game/replay analysis (when he does them), and when he sings it just makes me happy. He has so much fun, it's impossible not to have fun watching him.
Pokebunny, Select, Kawaiirice - high level terran (I'm terran) laddering. No weak matchups, they each have an aggressive fearless mobile and expo heavy style which I like a lot. I especially like these streams because I want to emulate their playstyles.
minigun - similar to above, but protoss. I watch this dude because he's a boss.
spanishiwa - Extremely innovative and unusual play, also very high level.
Idra, whitera - High level play. I don't particularly like their streams (stream quality kinda sketch...) but i'll tune in for the big names sometimes.
Cruncher, hashe, fargo, maker, sheth, slush, others - high level laddering, but I don't watch these streams as much I think because I just haven't become attached to their personalities i think.
Many other streams I simply won't enjoy if it's not high level enough. Like watching triple A baseball instead of the major leagues.
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What I like about a stream depends, actually on the streamer. I like watching iNcontroL's and MrBitter's coaching sessions, but less so when they ladder, although I'll watch iNcontroL ladder sometimes. I like watching Destiny both ladder and coach because he's entertaining and I learn by his interaction. His "personality" is entertaining as well. I'll watch TotalBiscuit only because he's entertaining as hell. His games are crazy, he's not very good at the game, but is extremely fun to watch. I won't learn anything from watching him though. I've just started watching Artosis because he's pretty nice, I can learn from him, and he interacts.
My advice. Just be yourself and be entertaining, whether it's interaction with the viewers, creative or silly strategies, or comments on your game. There will be people to watch for many reasons, so just try to do what you enjoy most.
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On May 01 2011 04:06 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 04:05 densha wrote:
The MOST important things to me:
- That the streamer talks! I don't care if it's a pro or a scrub, I want to hear commentary and thought process.
- That the streamer only plays 1v1 ladder games. If I see team games, I immediately close the stream no matter if it's a popular community person or someone else. I hate team games, they're boring, they lack any kind of intensity, they're just not fun to watch. I also don't like custom 1v1s and usually leave those streams, too. I just really like 1v1 ladder, it's the most exciting for me. I get bored actually playing team games, too, so maybe that's it - I just love playing and watching 1v1. What's the difference between ladder and practice games with teammates? I find you usually get much more interesting games with teammates.
The main difference for me is that when it's a ladder game, I get the sense that it's a serious match. I just don't feel the same assurance that custom games against friends or team-mates are being taken as seriously as ladder games. There's a chance that the game is "just for fun" or "relaxed" and that's not what I want to see.
I don't know if I fully explained that well enough, but it just boils down to the fact that for better or worse, many of us take the ladder seriously, therefore those are the games I want to see since something is on the line (even if it's just ladder points and pride).
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I hate when a streamer checks their ranking after every game and pats themselves on the back all day for being "#1 in the world."
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If a stream has music playing i always turn it off, ingame music is fine of course, but there is nothing more annoying than opening a stream and then hearing really loud obnoxious metal.
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As far as the interaction with the streamers goes, i like to watch people who talk about there thought process. You, for example, do it a lot. Sheth does it as well. But some players, incontrol for example, will occasionally talk while playing just depending on how he is doing. Also watching coaching sessions is nice but sometimes it can be a little boring.
On the last poll (what sort of games) i prefer any, besides 2v2/3v3/4v4 unless its something like TL attack or some fun event like that. Never seen many practice matches with clanmates go down, usually i think most people like to keep these private because of certain strategy work.
Good topic i was just thinking about this sort of topic earlier today! Glad someone made this topic!
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I'd just like to say that I don't like when music is playing because I play my own, so I generally keep streams muted, but then I miss out when streamers have something to say. so maybe keep the music volume down relative to voice/game sound? idk
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While there's too many options to probably poll i'd be interested to see what kind of music sits well with the majority of the viewership. And if the music is low in relation to the rest of the sound how much would this effect peoples viewing experience. Music seems to be pretty big on how much people enjoy streams, but i feel peoples tastes will be too various to try to please most of the audience.
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I usually really dislike when the streamer is in a vent / skype call. Talking to viewers is cool, but listening to a random conversation is annoying for me, so I'll mute it.
I like watching ladder because of the randomness of the opponents, also it makes it more interesting when the opponent is well known / someone I've played / someone the streamer hates .
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On May 01 2011 03:45 Pokebunny wrote:Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (592) 52% No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (361) 32% Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (185) 16% 1138 total votes Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream? (Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming!
I don't think lumping racism in with BM/profanity/insults is right.
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Since you asked for feedback (great idea), here's mine:
- Profanity. I don't *mind* it per se, but it limits my ability to watch the stream depending on where I am. If I am at home and the kids are around, I will not watch it since I don't want them to hear it. I like to watch streams at work on my second monitor, if you swear a lot, I won't watch that stream there. Otherwise, I don't care. So the less the profanity, the more people in my context of life (kids, etc) will just leave it on more.
- Music. I love game sounds. So I won't mute ever. I can tolerate most music (gets hard sometimes for a Metal guy like me). But take Huk's stream for instance, I just can't watch it. I would LOVE to, but I just can't handle the music. I try to mute, but then I am not enjoying it. So I just don't watch it 
I just wanted to add that I really appreciate the streams guys. They are a very big part of my day and I am grateful for your effort.
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On May 01 2011 14:29 BrenttheGreat wrote:
I hate when a streamer checks their ranking after every game and pats themselves on the back all day for being "#1 in the world."
For the people that do that, I don't think they're being serious about the self-congratulations. They all know that when they go to sleep and wake up again, it'll be all gone. I don't see anything wrong with having a short-term goal for the day and accomplishing it.
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I like how the number of votes for each poll gets lower the farther down the list it gets, gotta love ADD in our generation.. lol
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For me high level of play most important, I don't care about anything else.
Take IdrA - he never comments, his music is awful (for me), but I enjoy his stream most.
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two things:
- in what universe are laddergames more interesting than tournament games...
- why do so many people like that crappy and damn bad electronic shit, streamers call music. i turn the stream off immediately, if I hear something remotely electronig. and no... mute doesn't suffice.
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There should be an adblock poll I think.
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Also a poll on age, I like all my streamers 13 and under.
<3 Pokebunny
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I think sheth has by far the best stream right now. Talks throughout his games, insanely good, answers questions, talks strategy and is just interesting.
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On May 01 2011 05:29 Mastermind wrote:
I often will turn streams off because of bad music. I have no interest in watching a stream muted, because I hate watching without game sounds.
Profanities and racism dont bother me at all. I dont mind the streamer saying harsh thinks about their opponents on stream, but I dont care for them actually typing bm things to their opponents.
Dito ... I dont watch a stream to listen to music (even if I am lucky and it is great) and game sounds plus the streamers voice are what makes a great stream.
There are several versions of great streams and none is "better than the other", simply because humans have different tastes. Music however can be annoying and thus make people turn off the stream, but "music fans" wont become attracted to the stream due to the music. So music is really bad for the viewer numbers unless it is some "nondescript music" like the BW soundtrack or something similar ... on a very low level.
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Katowice25012 Posts
My opinion here is that I don't watch for any one thing, I like variety. On occasion I turn on a stream to learn, sometimes to be entertained with weird play. I enjoy commentary sometimes, sometimes I turn it off and keep it on my second screen while I format news posts. My 'ideal stream' would be something of a mixture, I'd say I prefer something like 80% "serious" games (tournament/ladder) with equal split of UMS/fun team games filling the rest. I can take or leave streamers interacting with their viewers via stream.
The things that remain constant for me are that I don't care about people trying to be funny with BM/being edgy with racism/absurd amounts of profanity. All of these in moderation can be hilarious but once they're just part of the gig I roll my eyes and laugh about how they try too hard. I'm also very likely to mute if I dislike the music, which is 100% of the time when someone streams kpop. I love watching coaching sessions, and think anyone who wants to fill that void would do well to promote.
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- I watch streams for entertainment mainly,
- I think is very important to talk with viewers no matter what level of play,
- I don't mind music at all, but some commentary and chat interaction is needed,
- I do enjoy the streamer talk about his game play and thought process,
- I wouldn't mind the coaching by streamers but I don't like its always occasionally it's OK,
- I don't like that much of racism/insults in stream
- I love it when a streamer does team games or something a long those lines,
- The most kind of games I like are ladder but other, lets say tournament games I don't mind.
A very good idea. :D
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On May 01 2011 16:50 BasilPesto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 03:45 Pokebunny wrote:Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (592) 52% No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (361) 32% Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (185) 16% 1138 total votes Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream? (Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming!
I don't think lumping racism in with BM/profanity/insults is right.
It depends what you count as racist. Destiny taking the piss out of cella on stream saying things like "you make many many corrossi, ok?" could be seen as racism, but its still goddamn funny.
Jinro has some pretty racist music on his stream too, but people don't seem to bother with it.
As long as the streamer isn't being blatantly offensive with it then I don't see a problem.
Destiny, Debo and Cella together on stream is the funniest thing I've seen in the world of SC2, it might not be educational, but tbh if I want to learn about the game I should just be laddering more, streams will always be entertainment to me.
"ITS THE SWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAARM"
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I love watching Idra Smash ladder scrubs in every macro match and then watch him get cheesed like hes one of them
hes got very good music as well.
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What is the main reason you watch streams?
I voted: Education - I want to learn more about good gameplay
Though I could just as easily have voted for entertainment -- it's a mix of both.
Which of these is most important to you in a stream?
I voted: High video/audio quality
Considering that I won't watch a low quality or choppy stream (see: IncontroL's stream a month ago), this is the most important factor for gaining and keeping my viewership.
Music?
I voted: Never! I prefer to just play my own music or have no background music
I have no interest in listening to music while watching Starcraft. Unconditionally, I either mute streams that are blasting music or I don't watch them at all. IncontroL and I have basically the same exact taste in music, but it's a distraction while watching more than anything.
Do you enjoy hearing the streamer talk about the game as he plays?
I voted: Why not? It's cool to hear, but it doesn't make or break a stream for me
I think Artosis' stream really benefits from his commentary, but mostly because he's trained to talk and entertain others. Some people are good at it and it helps make the stream better; others aren't great talkers, so talking would take away from it.
Would you like to see coaching lessons streamed by those who coach?
I voted: Occasionally it's cool, but I'd mostly like to see gameplay
Depends on the level of the player being coached. I'm in Master's, so I'm not interested in watching a grandmaster teach a silver how to 3-gate expand, for example.
Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
I voted: Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
Only because of the "racism" modifier, though. Else, I don't mind too much as long as it's done in good natured fun.
Do you like streamers doing things other than serious 1v1 games?
I voted: No! I only want to see regular StarCraft games
I don't have time to play or watch other games, so SC2 is my sole video game interest at the moment.
What sort of games are most interesting?
I voted: Practice with teammates
I can log onto Team Liquid any time and watch people ladder. It's not often that I can tune in to see an EG practice session, to see what they focus on and how they help each other. This was on IncontroL's stream a couple times and I found it fascinating.
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Just thought I'd mention: Profanity and racism are NOT in the same category to me. I'm ok with some profanity, but racism/discrimination is not ok.
Might want to take racism out of that poll question, and take that racism needs to be eradicated and is not ok as an axiom even if some people (very few here on TL as far as I've seen) still hold that sort of archaic value.
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Stream with game sounds only, no music, no mic.
Do not stream coaching lessons. I seriously "FFFFFUUUU" every time I open a stream to a lesson in progress.
Also this:
On May 01 2011 22:56 Sealteam wrote:
Just thought I'd mention: Profanity and racism are NOT in the same category to me. I'm ok with some profanity, but racism/discrimination is not ok.
Might want to take racism out of that poll question, and take that racism needs to be eradicated and is not ok as an axiom even if some people (very few here on TL as far as I've seen) still hold that sort of archaic value.
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The main streams i watch regularly are White-Ra, Sheth, Fuzer, IdrA, and sometimes megumi.
All except IdrA interact with the viewers, and the first 3 generally explain the reasoning behind what they are doing as they play.
Sheth and Fuzer play the best music of all streamers. Easy listening, and not overbearing of the actual content of the stream.
IdrA is just amazing to watch as a player when he streams. He plays macro games 100% of the time, and his decision making is just insane. (not a fan of the attitude, but you can't look past his skill). I do generally mute his crap taste in music though
Hip hop, dubstep etc are not my type of music at all, so i generally wont watch streamers that have it on.
On the other side, i used to watch a lot of cella. the guy is just an awesone bloke. He treats people well, he plays the game well, and he has FUN. He honestly loves what he does, and interacts with the crowd better than anyone else. You can't help but love him.
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What the heck? How is "practising with teammates" not winning in the last poll? There are better opponents within the team as opposed to on ladder.
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On May 01 2011 23:42 garlicface wrote:
What the heck? How is "practising with teammates" not winning in the last poll? There are better opponents within the team as opposed to on ladder.
That is because not everyone is looking for a good and long game. Most viewers including me prefer to watch ladder because there's cheese, bm, etc. and overall I think those games are much more interesting than a standard game.
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On May 01 2011 08:09 fadestep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 08:05 Duoma wrote: Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (188)
51%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (108)
29%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (71)
19%
367 total votes
Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
(Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! I find it a bit scary that so many people are okay with racism in "moderation". This little statistic does not reflect well upon the voters in the poll. I think most people are skipping over that as they read and just see it as BM/bad language. That being said, I made sure to say I really disliked it.
People like a story with the game. I'll watch streamers I don't like play vs people they're arguing with/raging at. Trash talking makes it that much better.
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Personaly i watch the streams to learn, therfor my preference goes to streamers that talk and explain stuf while they are playing.
I understand that playing + talking at the same time is really hard though.
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On May 02 2011 00:10 Mercadia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 08:09 fadestep wrote:On May 01 2011 08:05 Duoma wrote: Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (188)
51%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (108)
29%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (71)
19%
367 total votes
Your vote: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
(Vote): Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others
(Vote): A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often
(Vote): No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! I find it a bit scary that so many people are okay with racism in "moderation". This little statistic does not reflect well upon the voters in the poll. I think most people are skipping over that as they read and just see it as BM/bad language. That being said, I made sure to say I really disliked it. People like a story with the game. I'll watch streamers I don't like play vs people they're arguing with/raging at. Trash talking makes it that much better.
I was really talking specifically about the racism and homophobia that seems to be just kind of blindly accepted. I mean if you watch certain popular streamer... not going to be specific here..... incredibly offensive comments are commonplace and even encouraged by chat.
I don't know I mean I guess it's really a matter of "welcome to the internet" I just hate to see the 4chan leaking into the SC2 community and people not being universally repulsed by it.
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Dont know if you can talk and play at the same time. But if you can talk about your opening, plan and some small tip during the game, that will be the best stream on TL.
On namhcir's stream he talk about the micro tip, his game plan and have dual monitor to answer some of the chat's question. I found that is the stream I mostly want to watch.
http://www.justin.tv/namhcir
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I watch and enjoy streams for multiple options in some of the polls, so I'll just list my major look-for things in a stream in no particular order:
- Interaction with audience.
It's nice to have the streamer read his chat and answer questions and stuff like that.
- High skill level.
A big reason I watch streams is to learn from the player. Pretty self explanatory here.
- First person commentary.
I like streamers who go over their replays after they lose and explain why they think they lost and where they went wrong. Part of the learning aspect. In-game commentary is even better, but it's hard to commentate their games while concentrating on them, so I can deal with streamers who don't talk much in game.
- Humour.
I like watching streamers who have a good sense of humour. I have no problems with the players cursing frequently or bming their opponent in their speech (not directly though, that's a bit far). I have no problems with racist comments or whatever.
- Good quality.
I can't bear to watch a shitty quality stream. This includes audio quality.
Things I don't care for:
- Music.
If I don't like the music I'll switch to a different stream. Screw muting, I want to hear the game sounds.
- Coaching lessons.
Sometimes they aren't so bad if the student is half decent and learning more advanced things, but I don't want to watch any player below diamond get coached live.
- 2v2s, UMS games, etc.
If it's not 1v1 or at least observing a decently skilled 1v1 played by others, I don't want to watch it.
It's not that I won't watch a stream if they don't fit most of those preferences, but that would just be my ideal stream.
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Personally I can't stand when my favorite streamers are coaching on their streams 90% of the time.
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I have a question for you guys. You all saying that you like live commentary of the games by the player. Now I have recently started streaming "high level" 2on2 ladder and Im always in Teamspeak or Skype with my Ally. So I tried not to broadcast our talking, bcz I think it would be rather irritating for the viewers and its also in German :D
What do you guys think about that?
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Poll: Which of these is most important to you in a stream?
Did vote other here
For me most important in a stream is the personality of the caster
If i absolutely dont like the persons personality and way he acts i cant stand myself to watch the stream
luckily thoose are verry rare
(reason to watch for me was fun)
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On May 17 2011 12:23 Scrubington wrote:
Personally I can't stand when my favorite streamers are coaching on their streams 90% of the time.
Yeah I don't watch when someones coaching either, even if I normally would watch it for hours otherwise and it's not because I find it that unappealing but I think rather I only watch for fun the majority of the time. But then again if they were coaching someone that was at my own personal level of play than I just might stay because that would be almost the same as paying them to be coached! :D
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Dont like the options on the second question. Could not really pick any of the answers.
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Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (422)
52%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (241)
30%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (143)
18%
806 total votes
this is so unbelievable and so sad. I just hope 82% of the people misunderstood the question wrong. I really don't think (or hope at least..) that not all of them have no problem with racism..
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On May 31 2011 00:28 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +
Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (422)
52%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (241)
30%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (143)
18%
806 total votes
this is so unbelievable and so sad. I just hope 82% of the people misunderstood the question wrong. I really don't think (or hope at least..) that not all of them have no problem with racism..
I'm a part of that 82%. I don't like racism, but I don't think I can personally sway the person to not say it.
I tolerate it, doesn't mean I support it.
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On May 31 2011 00:28 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +
Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (422)
52%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (241)
30%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (143)
18%
806 total votes
this is so unbelievable and so sad. I just hope 82% of the people misunderstood the question wrong. I really don't think (or hope at least..) that not all of them have no problem with racism..
I have no doubt the question in this context means racist language, not actual racism.
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On May 31 2011 00:28 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +
Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (422)
52%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (241)
30%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (143)
18%
806 total votes
this is so unbelievable and so sad. I just hope 82% of the people misunderstood the question wrong. I really don't think (or hope at least..) that not all of them have no problem with racism..
stupidly made question, i atleast mostly considered the profanity part when i answered. and of course it doesn't mean racism as in "no problem with racism >IRL<"
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Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
Profanity no, racism yes.
The question might lead to the wrong conclusion, you should not put all those topics in one question.
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Interesting. For me I would have to say that 1v1 ladder games streamed by high level players of any race with or without commentary are my draw.
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On the Survey Itself:
The results of this survey are interesting although I believe that the Survey could have given a lot more information if it would have been setup a bit differently. I feel that most of the streams and their viewers are either education or entertainment based and that the things one group likes out of their stream is not on the list of the other group.
To give an example I think that out of the 'education viewers' lot of them (especially when compared to the 'entertainment viewers') will have voted for no/limited music, no to non-serious games, no to the severe BM and in favor of more interaction with the viewers. At the other hand I feel that the 'entertainment viewers' will have less desire for coaching to be streamed while they have more desire for non-serious games and severe BM.
I also feel that the harsh racism/profanity/insulting question should have been split up into multiple questions. While I have no problem with the occasional insulting and am generally fine with profanity I am very likely to look for another stream as soon as the racism starts.
My Personal Preference:
My ideal stream would be streaming ladder games (not practice games with his teammates! Keep the builds secret and own tournaments), commentate them as we go along to give a look into his thought-process and decision making and during the downtime between games run a commercial and then awnser some questions out of the chat. While coaching lessons are nice to see streamed I feel those should only be streamed if both the Coach and the Student have no issues with it, the Student's wish is more important then ours as he paid for the hour. I am indeed an 'education viewer'.
EDIT: As a question to people that stream: Is it technically possible to not broadcast your personal music but still broadcast your mic input and game sounds? That way a lot more streams get accesible for people that don't like their streams to have music on them or dislike the music of the streamer.
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1. I watch streams to keep myself busy. I cannot stand doing nothing.
2. The quality of the video/audio is most important to me, I can't watch something less than 480p at all, and even then it depends.
3. I don't really care about music. If they have good stuff, I'l listen, but otherwise I listen to nothing.
4. Talking during a stream is just meh for SC2 streams. It is much more entertaining for LoL streams.
5. I don't care about coaching.
6. In certain situations, profanity can be funny, but not chaining curses every phrase. I am really against Racism though
7. Ladder, I guess.
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I'm surprised to see that ladder games are preferred over tournament games. I love when I get the chance to see some tournament games first-person (e.g. TL Open right now).
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On May 31 2011 00:28 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +
Poll: Do you mind harsh profanity/racism/insulting on a stream?
A bit, it's okay in moderation, but not too often (422)
52%
No! I find it hilarious, keep it coming! (241)
30%
Yes! I really dislike when the streamer doesn't show respect to others (143)
18%
806 total votes
this is so unbelievable and so sad. I just hope 82% of the people misunderstood the question wrong. I really don't think (or hope at least..) that not all of them have no problem with racism..
I assume he means jokingly between friends, not serious. Pokebunny streams while on vent/TS/Skype if I remember correctly, and friends like to talk shit with each other.
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I watch for both, entertainment and education. I watch just 1v1 games really.
It's nice to hear a little commentary about what the player has in mind for the game, like general gameplay ideas and what he notes when scouting, not talking all the time.
Music in the background is nice but if it doesn't exist I'll listen to my own. The best streams I like are Idra's when he's commenting (iirc he only did this after losing/winning some bet that was discussed in SOTG) and White-Ra when he's commenting.
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