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Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
April 15 2011 19:02 GMT
#61
I didn't really read anything he was saying as a balance commentary at all... I am as sick of all the scrub zerg players QQing rather than adapting as anyone else, but I didn't read any QQ from Mondragon so im not sure why that was brought up.

Alot of you seem to have the memory of a goldfish. When SC2 was still new protoss players were complaining that they would hit a wall in high diamond where the winrate just dropped dramatically and everyone told them protoss is unexplored and that people need to try new things. Now they've done that and protoss has dozens of openers and some really strong playstyles, all of which, came after mostly nerfs to the race. The buff to scouting was the only positive really since release, but some good protoss strategies developed and here we are. Zerg, its your turn to learn to play perfect.

Case and point, guy I was talking to after our ladder match.. he had hit masters as zerg last season and got so frustrated and thought protoss would be easy so decided to switch for season 2 since it was going to be "sooo easy". He went 1-20 as protoss in his first games up until I played him. To be honest, it took the better part of a year for protoss players in the upper leagues to become confident in their matchups because its so unforgiving until you really get dug in. You miss an offensive or defensive forcefield or don't make the perfect early game comps, you just lose. You can lose in the blink of an eye from the tiniest mistake or delayed reaction. I'm not saying other races don't lose to small mistakes and im not even implying that terran don't benefit the most, for instance, from really great micro. I'm saying that protoss play depends upon it more to actually survive and that it took the game being out a long time before they were really powerful at upper levels. We were seriously getting shit on by everyone until we learned to play better consistently.

I don't feel bad for the zerg's growing pains at all...Well maybe a little bit at lower levels because of the strength of 4-gate at that level.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 15 2011 20:07 GMT
#62
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D
Life?
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
April 15 2011 20:20 GMT
#63
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.
Really, play for fun!
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
April 15 2011 20:41 GMT
#64
On April 16 2011 05:20 ZpuX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.


But doesnt the same hold also for Zeals and Marines - same dmg, hp etc? Plus, weaker stim pack in sc2.
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
insta
Profile Joined May 2010
216 Posts
April 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#65
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.



Wow it's such a weird coincidence that Zerg is indeed a little bit UP imo ;D


But actually... yes you are right !
pls dont judge before research, pls dont research before thinking
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:53:55
April 15 2011 20:53 GMT
#66
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

In bw. units don't clump together, lings have more surface area to attack thus deal more damage then their counter part in sc2.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 15 2011 22:30 GMT
#67
On April 16 2011 05:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D


Best part is the follow up imo

From Testie: Dear Mondi,
If there's ever 2v2 tourneys in SC2 Want to kill them?
Easy! Lets do it and push the easy Button :D

"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
April 22 2011 13:26 GMT
#68
Hey I get all my questions answered yay! Thanks Mondragon!

.....and the website says the questions are from some guy called StuBob?
Sucker for nostalgia
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