• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:29
CEST 00:29
KST 07:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach0[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Grand Finals ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach StarCraft Human 'N' AI League
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27!
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9622 users

Mondragon answers User questions - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
April 15 2011 19:02 GMT
#61
I didn't really read anything he was saying as a balance commentary at all... I am as sick of all the scrub zerg players QQing rather than adapting as anyone else, but I didn't read any QQ from Mondragon so im not sure why that was brought up.

Alot of you seem to have the memory of a goldfish. When SC2 was still new protoss players were complaining that they would hit a wall in high diamond where the winrate just dropped dramatically and everyone told them protoss is unexplored and that people need to try new things. Now they've done that and protoss has dozens of openers and some really strong playstyles, all of which, came after mostly nerfs to the race. The buff to scouting was the only positive really since release, but some good protoss strategies developed and here we are. Zerg, its your turn to learn to play perfect.

Case and point, guy I was talking to after our ladder match.. he had hit masters as zerg last season and got so frustrated and thought protoss would be easy so decided to switch for season 2 since it was going to be "sooo easy". He went 1-20 as protoss in his first games up until I played him. To be honest, it took the better part of a year for protoss players in the upper leagues to become confident in their matchups because its so unforgiving until you really get dug in. You miss an offensive or defensive forcefield or don't make the perfect early game comps, you just lose. You can lose in the blink of an eye from the tiniest mistake or delayed reaction. I'm not saying other races don't lose to small mistakes and im not even implying that terran don't benefit the most, for instance, from really great micro. I'm saying that protoss play depends upon it more to actually survive and that it took the game being out a long time before they were really powerful at upper levels. We were seriously getting shit on by everyone until we learned to play better consistently.

I don't feel bad for the zerg's growing pains at all...Well maybe a little bit at lower levels because of the strength of 4-gate at that level.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 15 2011 20:07 GMT
#62
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D
Life?
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
April 15 2011 20:20 GMT
#63
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.
Really, play for fun!
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
April 15 2011 20:41 GMT
#64
On April 16 2011 05:20 ZpuX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.


But doesnt the same hold also for Zeals and Marines - same dmg, hp etc? Plus, weaker stim pack in sc2.
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
insta
Profile Joined May 2010
216 Posts
April 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#65
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.



Wow it's such a weird coincidence that Zerg is indeed a little bit UP imo ;D


But actually... yes you are right !
pls dont judge before research, pls dont research before thinking
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:53:55
April 15 2011 20:53 GMT
#66
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

In bw. units don't clump together, lings have more surface area to attack thus deal more damage then their counter part in sc2.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 15 2011 22:30 GMT
#67
On April 16 2011 05:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D


Best part is the follow up imo

From Testie: Dear Mondi,
If there's ever 2v2 tourneys in SC2 Want to kill them?
Easy! Lets do it and push the easy Button :D

"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4436 Posts
April 22 2011 13:26 GMT
#68
Hey I get all my questions answered yay! Thanks Mondragon!

.....and the website says the questions are from some guy called StuBob?
Sucker for nostalgia
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL Open Qualifier
19:00
Jungsu & Hasu #1
ZZZero.O101
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13623
Artosis 863
Shuttle 613
White-Ra 154
ZZZero.O 101
firebathero 77
League of Legends
Doublelift3595
JimRising 489
Counter-Strike
fl0m4880
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox553
AZ_Axe61
Other Games
Grubby3191
summit1g2583
Liquid`RaSZi2262
KnowMe198
ArmadaUGS169
IndyStarCraft 69
Mew2King35
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1020
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 13
lovetv 6
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 39
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 7312
• WagamamaTV692
Upcoming Events
OSC
31m
davetesta12
Replay Cast
1h 31m
Afreeca Starleague
11h 31m
Soma vs Jaedong
WardiTV Weekly
12h 31m
Monday Night Weeklies
17h 31m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 11h
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Online Event
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
BSL Open Qualifier
6 days
BSL Open Qualifier
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Proleague 2026-09-27
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.