• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:30
CEST 19:30
KST 02:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 BW General Discussion ASL20 General Discussion ASL TICKET LIVE help! :D NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro16 Group C BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2334 users

Mondragon answers User questions - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
April 15 2011 19:02 GMT
#61
I didn't really read anything he was saying as a balance commentary at all... I am as sick of all the scrub zerg players QQing rather than adapting as anyone else, but I didn't read any QQ from Mondragon so im not sure why that was brought up.

Alot of you seem to have the memory of a goldfish. When SC2 was still new protoss players were complaining that they would hit a wall in high diamond where the winrate just dropped dramatically and everyone told them protoss is unexplored and that people need to try new things. Now they've done that and protoss has dozens of openers and some really strong playstyles, all of which, came after mostly nerfs to the race. The buff to scouting was the only positive really since release, but some good protoss strategies developed and here we are. Zerg, its your turn to learn to play perfect.

Case and point, guy I was talking to after our ladder match.. he had hit masters as zerg last season and got so frustrated and thought protoss would be easy so decided to switch for season 2 since it was going to be "sooo easy". He went 1-20 as protoss in his first games up until I played him. To be honest, it took the better part of a year for protoss players in the upper leagues to become confident in their matchups because its so unforgiving until you really get dug in. You miss an offensive or defensive forcefield or don't make the perfect early game comps, you just lose. You can lose in the blink of an eye from the tiniest mistake or delayed reaction. I'm not saying other races don't lose to small mistakes and im not even implying that terran don't benefit the most, for instance, from really great micro. I'm saying that protoss play depends upon it more to actually survive and that it took the game being out a long time before they were really powerful at upper levels. We were seriously getting shit on by everyone until we learned to play better consistently.

I don't feel bad for the zerg's growing pains at all...Well maybe a little bit at lower levels because of the strength of 4-gate at that level.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 15 2011 20:07 GMT
#62
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D
Life?
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
April 15 2011 20:20 GMT
#63
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.
Really, play for fun!
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
April 15 2011 20:41 GMT
#64
On April 16 2011 05:20 ZpuX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.


But doesnt the same hold also for Zeals and Marines - same dmg, hp etc? Plus, weaker stim pack in sc2.
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
insta
Profile Joined May 2010
216 Posts
April 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#65
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.



Wow it's such a weird coincidence that Zerg is indeed a little bit UP imo ;D


But actually... yes you are right !
pls dont judge before research, pls dont research before thinking
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:53:55
April 15 2011 20:53 GMT
#66
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

In bw. units don't clump together, lings have more surface area to attack thus deal more damage then their counter part in sc2.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 15 2011 22:30 GMT
#67
On April 16 2011 05:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D


Best part is the follow up imo

From Testie: Dear Mondi,
If there's ever 2v2 tourneys in SC2 Want to kill them?
Easy! Lets do it and push the easy Button :D

"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4365 Posts
April 22 2011 13:26 GMT
#68
Hey I get all my questions answered yay! Thanks Mondragon!

.....and the website says the questions are from some guy called StuBob?
Sucker for nostalgia
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 16h 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 219
JuggernautJason133
ProTech90
Codebar 36
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25154
Bisu 1528
EffOrt 685
Mini 447
Hyuk 288
Larva 160
Soulkey 116
ggaemo 101
hero 97
Rush 95
[ Show more ]
Hyun 39
Aegong 37
ToSsGirL 25
Yoon 22
scan(afreeca) 17
Sexy 9
IntoTheRainbow 7
sas.Sziky 4
Dota 2
Gorgc7450
qojqva3572
XcaliburYe165
Fuzer 76
League of Legends
Trikslyr60
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1239
fl0m930
Other Games
gofns24107
tarik_tv22015
FrodaN1318
Beastyqt517
Lowko329
RotterdaM261
Hui .236
ArmadaUGS123
C9.Mang080
QueenE58
mouzStarbuck40
NeuroSwarm33
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 1
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2737
• WagamamaTV497
League of Legends
• Nemesis3966
• TFBlade666
Other Games
• imaqtpie274
• Shiphtur215
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
16h 30m
Zoun vs Classic
Map Test Tournament
17h 30m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 9h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
1d 14h
RSL Revival
1d 16h
Reynor vs Cure
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.