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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 13:58:59
April 10 2011 21:17 GMT
#1
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•UPDATE(15-04-2011) PART 2 IS NOW UP

At Meet Your Makers, we asked the captain of our SC2 Team: Mondragon if he would like to do a special interview where the community is able to ask him the questions instead of the staff members of the websites.The interview ended up with around 60 questions(!!!)

Read the many questions and answers here:

>>>Mondragon answers Questions part 2<<<

>>>Mondragon answers Questions part 1<<<

Part 2 is now up

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Here is a few examples:

From Squarewalker: I'd like to know how viable do you find Nydus Worms (for late-game mobility), especially in ZvP (but also in ZvT against mech). They are very rarely used by progamers, but they seem like something with a lot of potential that has yet to be "discovered".
Indeed, it is a very useful strategy to harass. Though due to the user friendly way of StarCraft 2 they added a sound to hear a nydus worm coming up. I think they should remove the sound. If a player does not cover the crucial areas to prevent a nydus worm, he should suffer the consequences and not be helped by the game by a sound telling him that something is wrong.

From CosmicHippo: Dear Mondragon,

 Why do you say you have won important matches in the past because of luck when you obviously have shown not only in Broodwar, but in your match against Zeerax, that your games are'nt luck based, there very much you just destorying the other opponent?
I did not really destroy ZeeRaX. He’s a fantastic player and for sure he did not show his best play which made it look as if I destroyed him. In fact it was just because he had a bad day.


From sheaRZerg: What is your opinion of zerglings in SC2. Do you think they have lost the potential for any sort of early pressure in SC2?
Nope, Zerglings are really bad in my opinion. You cannot really put any pressure on a good opponent because they are really weak, they stack really bad and get killed by splash damage so easily.

From Testie: Dear Mondi,
If there's ever 2v2 tourneys in SC2 Want to kill them?
Easy! Lets do it and push the easy Button :D

From Swain: Hello Mondi,

 First of all, congratulations for your performance against ZeeraX. You haven't got much time to play StarCraft II because of your studies and yet, you still managed to defeat a player who's played more than 4 000 ladder games. You always claim that you're a lucky player, don't you think you have a talent for this game?
Indeed, I have a talent for this game, but without any luck, talent does not help you either



From sheaRZerg: I was wondering if you had strong feelings, remembering the awesome runbys you used to do against toss in bw?
Haha. Well, the run bys were a great thing and it was fun to exploit the lack of safe wall ins, but unfortunately Blizzard made it so user friendly, that any building can completely block off units. I dislike that a lot as well.


From StuBob: If you could bring into sc2 one zerg unit from brood war what would it be?
Defiler instead of useless Infestors and definitely Lurkers instead of useless Banelings!

From StuBob: What is your favourite new zerg unit/tactic in sc2 that wasn't in brood war?
Roaches


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"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
HaIf
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 21:22:46
April 10 2011 21:21 GMT
#2
From StuBob: What is your favourite new zerg unit/tactic in sc2 that wasn't in brood war?
Roaches

Of course!

Laughed at that answer ;D
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
April 10 2011 21:23 GMT
#3
haha love the answers. thats a bw mind looking at sc2. <3


and yay mondi!
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peeeky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada631 Posts
April 10 2011 21:24 GMT
#4
Thanks for posting this. Looking forward to his match in the TSL next week. Hope to see him go far!
Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
April 10 2011 21:29 GMT
#5
useless infestors and banelings lol. How will he win zvt?
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
April 10 2011 21:32 GMT
#6
Sounds like a zerg player allright.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
April 10 2011 21:33 GMT
#7
On April 11 2011 06:29 Cush wrote:
useless infestors and banelings lol. How will he win zvt?


My guess is roaches..... MASS roaches
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Mashes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada441 Posts
April 10 2011 21:34 GMT
#8
wow, cool reading that his name is from Faryd Mondragon haha.

is it too early for a Mondragon's Body thread?
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Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
April 10 2011 21:37 GMT
#9
On April 11 2011 06:34 Mashes wrote:
wow, cool reading that his name is from Faryd Mondragon haha.

is it too early for a Mondragon's Body thread?
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uhhh...which ones him? o.O
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
April 10 2011 21:43 GMT
#10
It's sad to hear that Mondragon doesn't want to pursue SC2 professionally. Seems like he has changed his perspective on life. It would of been awesome to see him in NASL etc.
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uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
April 10 2011 21:48 GMT
#11
Really good interview, like me hes still caught up missing the old BW swarm

Not surprised he likes roaches, i think that was evident from his TSL games.
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Skamtet
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 21:52:32
April 10 2011 21:52 GMT
#12
I like how he says that Infestors are useless...
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 22:07:00
April 10 2011 21:57 GMT
#13
On April 11 2011 06:52 Skamtet wrote:
I like how he says that Infestors are useless...


compared to defilers they are.

i understand that they had to take them out. with smart casting they would be incredibly powerful and super hard to balance. add that there is no vessel (which again would be super hard to balance irradiate) and defilers are just too strong for sc2.

its sad but from bw to sc2 most interesting units got taken out in favor of "aclick" units like the collosus,baneling etc
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Ksi
Profile Joined May 2010
357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 22:00:44
April 10 2011 21:58 GMT
#14
Hehe, his comments about useful and useless units is so telling about Blizzard's half assed way of designing Zerg. They took out all the interesting multi-dimensional units that scaled into late-game instead gave them Roaches. Roaches are great in terms of cost effectiveness and strength as a unit, but they're just so bland. It's like Broodwar Zerg was a well-built fancy looking house. In the transition from BW to SC2, they threw bricks through the house's windows and just boarded them up as compensation. The roaches in this case are the wooden boards in my metaphor.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 10 2011 22:17 GMT
#15
On April 11 2011 06:57 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
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On April 11 2011 06:52 Skamtet wrote:
I like how he says that Infestors are useless...


compared to defilers they are.

i understand that they had to take them out. with smart casting they would be incredibly powerful and super hard to balance. add that there is no vessel (which again would be super hard to balance irradiate) and defilers are just too strong for sc2.

its sad but from bw to sc2 most interesting units got taken out in favor of "aclick" units like the collosus,baneling etc


to be fair baneling is far from A-Click unit. On colossus I can agree. Oh mondy.. too bad you won't be staying with us for too long but you are an inspiration. I wonder if sometime in the future there will be mass queen killings and mass hatcherie plays going on. To free that supply.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2011 22:44 GMT
#16
Hah, Roaches... And it's true, Lurkers imo are way better than banelings. I really liked the questions a lot of the users gave and the responses that Mondragon returned
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 10 2011 22:49 GMT
#17
From StuBob: What is your favourite new zerg unit/tactic in sc2 that wasn't in brood war?
Roaches


Lol did it even need to be asked? Haha mondy really seems to hate all zerg units except the Roach; seemed to work for him in Ro32 of TSL :p

Unfortunately for him SC2 =/= BW
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 11 2011 09:53 GMT
#18
On April 11 2011 06:21 HaIf wrote:
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From StuBob: What is your favourite new zerg unit/tactic in sc2 that wasn't in brood war?
Roaches

Of course!

Laughed at that answer ;D


expected any other answer ^___^ ?
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
justdweezil
Profile Joined July 2009
United States186 Posts
April 11 2011 09:57 GMT
#19
How does this guy ZvT without Banelings/Zerglings/Infestors? Apparently without Mutalisks. Or maybe he goes Mutalisk/Roach? What about ZvZ? I guess we'll see as he plays more in the TSL.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
April 11 2011 10:01 GMT
#20
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 11 2011 10:06 GMT
#21
On April 11 2011 18:57 justdweezil wrote:
How does this guy ZvT without Banelings/Zerglings/Infestors? Apparently without Mutalisks. Or maybe he goes Mutalisk/Roach? What about ZvZ? I guess we'll see as he plays more in the TSL.


He says they are worse than their bw counterpart and that he doesn't like them. He isn't saying he never uses them.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
April 11 2011 10:07 GMT
#22
I completely agree with Mondragon.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
April 11 2011 10:10 GMT
#23
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.
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vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
April 11 2011 10:12 GMT
#24
Nice to see an interview that tells it like it is for once. Mondragon always gave us entertaining and fun to watch BW matches.

Respect to a great player and I hope he continues to be successful in life and Starcraft.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
April 11 2011 10:21 GMT
#25
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
April 11 2011 10:29 GMT
#26
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


Ehum, I don't want to get in to a balance discussion so I will just stick to commenting your "sources". Day9 will more or less never say anything is imbalanced and instead look for ways to go around the problem with adaptive builds etc. Tyler is playing protoss, not saying that completely blocks his judgment but he has a different take on it. Also overall, none of them can say any "truths" about balance, the game is developing, things we struggle with today might be solved tomorrow.
Sergeras
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria185 Posts
April 11 2011 10:30 GMT
#27
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.
You mean they completely ignored idra's statements yeah zerg is balanced.
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
April 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#28
So he doesnt like banelings or zerglings but instead favours the roach?

I really don't agree with that statement -.- and I can see why ZvZ and ZvP is his favourite match up then.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
April 11 2011 10:42 GMT
#29
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.

What are you talking about? He didn't go out of his way to complain, he was asked to make direction comparisons. Asking what a Zerg feels about Zerglings is like asking what Protoss feel about Warp-prisms.

The one question where he really did have a chance to complain, (the one about dealing with Protoss maxed army), he didn't
fIERCEbROSNAN
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland40 Posts
April 11 2011 10:44 GMT
#30
On April 11 2011 19:34 Chaosvuistje wrote:
So he doesnt like banelings or zerglings but instead favours the roach?

I really don't agree with that statement -.- and I can see why ZvZ and ZvP is his favourite match up then.


If you look at broodwar zerglings, you will understand why he thinks zerglings in sc2 are awful.

(hot tip: because they are)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 11:34:37
April 11 2011 11:33 GMT
#31
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.


No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


I'm not arguing balance,I'm arguing that strategically zergs seem lost on where they are going wrong against protoss and terran.

BW zerglings are manlier than SC2 zerglings,and they bleed real blood.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 11:37:31
April 11 2011 11:36 GMT
#32
I've been working on a 1.5 mod and playing with some other masters players and this is what I found.

Defilers are still difficult to use with smart cast, unlike high templar. I don't know why, but I think its because you have only 2 defilers anyway so its not that much different, concentrating on consume and swarm still takes a lot of effort, any more defilers and you don't have a good enough ground army.

And holy hell I much prefer lurkers for offense/defense than banelings in SC2. You can take out so many more units with good lurker control than with banelings, not only that but defilers and lurkers can control areas, which is very important for zerg macro play. It also balances mule. Banelings are much more of a niche unit, and I think that's part of the problem.


Also thanks for the interview! I'm glad there are still progamers willing to voice their own opinion.
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emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
April 11 2011 11:43 GMT
#33
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


you are being sarcastic right..? i seriously can't tell.
Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
April 11 2011 11:45 GMT
#34
On April 11 2011 20:43 emecee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


you are being sarcastic right..? i seriously can't tell.


Lol. Pretty easy to tell that he is = =...
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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
April 11 2011 11:46 GMT
#35
Lol, funny questions and funny answers, like
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vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
April 11 2011 11:48 GMT
#36
Complaining about the race design =/= complaining about balance
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
April 11 2011 14:12 GMT
#37
On April 11 2011 20:45 Flaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 20:43 emecee wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


you are being sarcastic right..? i seriously can't tell.


Lol. Pretty easy to tell that he is = =...


No I'm being 100 percent serious. On page 687 of the Official State of the Game Podcast Thread, Tyler says "We don't think the game is imbalanced. I don't think we saw a way to make a productive discussion out of it so we just kinda avoided it..."


So they clearly think the game is perfectly balanced.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
April 11 2011 14:15 GMT
#38
O neof the most important things I have learned from this interview is that (Z)Mondragon might become the (Z)Shine of SC2,I am not going to be surprised if he manages to perfect some sort of a 5 hatch roach build like shine with the 5 hatch hydra....
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 14:54:54
April 11 2011 14:53 GMT
#39
On April 11 2011 23:12 Essentia wrote:
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On April 11 2011 20:45 Flaunt wrote:
On April 11 2011 20:43 emecee wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


you are being sarcastic right..? i seriously can't tell.


Lol. Pretty easy to tell that he is = =...


No I'm being 100 percent serious. On page 687 of the Official State of the Game Podcast Thread, Tyler says "We don't think the game is imbalanced. I don't think we saw a way to make a productive discussion out of it so we just kinda avoided it..."


So they clearly think the game is perfectly balanced.


Yeah except balance has nothing to do with mondragon's complaints.

Zerglings are way more fun to use in BW, because units don't clump together, and buildings are harder to wall. In BW you don't just A-move with lings, often you cut through armies with plain move and then at a critical point you will actually start attacking while getting surrounds by controlling groups of lings separately to do the most damage.

Lurkers same deal, splitting banelings pfft. Try move lurker, bait bio ball, burrow lurker, attack with lings, move lings back, leap frog lurker, attack with lings, fake unburrow, quick burrow again, bio ball dead. (Yeah, July was pimp back in the day)

Or hold-fire lurker, wait for expansion to float across, kill scvs.

Or hold-fire stacked lurkers in choke, lift one lurker and burrow it in the stack (so it looks like 1 lurker when terran scans). Terran stims, moves in, and his entire army insta-gibbed, without losing a single lurker. (Happened in Flash vs Jaedong game)

Defilers, same deal. Saviors clutch dark swarm/plague, omg.
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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 11 2011 15:01 GMT
#40
On April 11 2011 06:57 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 06:52 Skamtet wrote:
I like how he says that Infestors are useless...


compared to defilers they are.

i understand that they had to take them out. with smart casting they would be incredibly powerful and super hard to balance. add that there is no vessel (which again would be super hard to balance irradiate) and defilers are just too strong for sc2.

its sad but from bw to sc2 most interesting units got taken out in favor of "aclick" units like the collosus,baneling etc

Saying that they would be impossible to balance is maybe going a little bit too far. They kept HT didn't they?
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
April 11 2011 15:06 GMT
#41
On April 11 2011 23:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:
O neof the most important things I have learned from this interview is that (Z)Mondragon might become the (Z)Shine of SC2,I am not going to be surprised if he manages to perfect some sort of a 5 hatch roach build like shine with the 5 hatch hydra....


i would love that so much :D
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drcatellino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada346 Posts
April 11 2011 15:20 GMT
#42
If you guys wonder how he plays ZvT, there is a crazy long epic game of him vs Strelok on Youtube, casted by HDstarcraft. He gets out pretty much every unit in the game, including mass ultras.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 11 2011 17:09 GMT
#43
On April 11 2011 23:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:
O neof the most important things I have learned from this interview is that (Z)Mondragon might become the (Z)Shine of SC2,I am not going to be surprised if he manages to perfect some sort of a 5 hatch roach build like shine with the 5 hatch hydra....


This wouldn't suprise me at all
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 13 2011 18:57 GMT
#44
Bumping so more people can see it
Life?
DARKHYDRA
Profile Joined September 2006
United States303 Posts
April 13 2011 19:14 GMT
#45
Anyone kno when the second half of the questions are gonna be up?
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
April 13 2011 21:01 GMT
#46
On April 12 2011 00:01 hugman wrote:
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On April 11 2011 06:57 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On April 11 2011 06:52 Skamtet wrote:
I like how he says that Infestors are useless...


compared to defilers they are.

i understand that they had to take them out. with smart casting they would be incredibly powerful and super hard to balance. add that there is no vessel (which again would be super hard to balance irradiate) and defilers are just too strong for sc2.

its sad but from bw to sc2 most interesting units got taken out in favor of "aclick" units like the collosus,baneling etc

Saying that they would be impossible to balance is maybe going a little bit too far. They kept HT didn't they?


HT's are basically storms, which is an aoe spell. That was a lot easier to balance given the current set by tweaking the damage/energy of the HT.

Defilers on the other hand, have swarm. Swarm doesn't do damage directly, but creates a scenario where your army can't be damaged. Given the way this game is designed, that would be a little to strong, as an infestor could just get up in a terran's face and have free reign over his stuff, and getting your banelings to connect with that marine tank ball is now as easy as consuming 2 lings. Banelings instantly detonate upon contact and move around the same speed as marines and unsieged tanks. So, theoretically, one swarm forces an entire ball right back into his base. The reason this worked in brood war was lurkers took some time to burrow, so a terran could instnatly begin unsiege and pull back. Swarms gained you ground more than it allowed you to kill a bunch of stuff (though, it definitely filled that role if for some reason an opp decided he wanted to fight in the swarm or was pushed back to his natural, or simply wasn't fast enough. With the design of infestors and banelings, one swarm will almost surely mean the death of any force. Not to mention plague would totally make ZvP WAY imbalanced in the zergs favor, as one plague could wipe out a death ball with a few roaches , so it would be impossible to use the "death ball" scenario that Protoss so hinges upon.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
April 13 2011 21:06 GMT
#47
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
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On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


Try thinking for yourself instead of relying on big names for opinions. Has it ever crossed your mind that Tyler could be wrong since he's a Protoss player?
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 13 2011 21:35 GMT
#48
On April 14 2011 04:14 DARKHYDRA wrote:
Anyone kno when the second half of the questions are gonna be up?


In the very near future, I will update the thread when part 2 is up
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
April 13 2011 21:46 GMT
#49
On April 14 2011 06:06 Lennon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 19:21 Essentia wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.


its not a coincidence.Zerg have it tough for the most part.



No, Day9 and Tyler said the game is balanced last SoTG. Think you're wrong.


Try thinking for yourself instead of relying on big names for opinions. Has it ever crossed your mind that Tyler could be wrong since he's a Protoss player?


Regardless of weather the game is imbalanced or not, obsessing over it isn't going to help anything. If you think something is imbalanced, write a comment on battle.net forums to let the game balancers decide, and let that be that. However, it's our job as players to work around that and find ways to win. Constant discussion of this topic isn't good for the community at all. There are a lot of things in BW that were/are pretty imbalanced, but it doesn't mean anything. Sure, zergs have a definite leg up on protoss, but yet Bisu still crushes souls, and sure, it's really difficult to do very well with Terran, but yet we have oov, BoxeR, NaDa, and Flash.

Like they said on the show, if you're that committed that you thing zerg is grossly imbalanced, play a different race. Otherwise, you need to accept some things are just tough to deal with and go about trying to find out how you can beat it. In the end, is the game perfectly balanced? No, probably not, but it's not like it's something insurmountable, you can work around and change a million little things to change the outcome of a game, it's foolish and arrogant to think we've found everything there is to find. Who knows, tommorow perhaps sheth or some other zerg will find this strategy that absolutely demolishes the protoss death ball and completely make the standard sort of 3 base play irrelevant. The game is just too volitle to make these sort of claims about imblance unless something is flat out broken (eg. 1 supply roach w/ base 2 armor, 10 second warpgates, old school reapers, etc).
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 15 2011 11:05 GMT
#50
UPDATE: Part 2 is now up!!!!!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
April 15 2011 11:19 GMT
#51
Awesome as always. Cheering for mondi in TSL3! One of the few players outside Liquid which makes me cheer so hard. Such a hero underdog :D
really?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 15 2011 11:31 GMT
#52
On April 12 2011 00:01 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 06:57 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On April 11 2011 06:52 Skamtet wrote:
I like how he says that Infestors are useless...


compared to defilers they are.

i understand that they had to take them out. with smart casting they would be incredibly powerful and super hard to balance. add that there is no vessel (which again would be super hard to balance irradiate) and defilers are just too strong for sc2.

its sad but from bw to sc2 most interesting units got taken out in favor of "aclick" units like the collosus,baneling etc

Saying that they would be impossible to balance is maybe going a little bit too far. They kept HT didn't they?


SC2 HT Psi Storm=80 damage, smaller radius.
SCBW HT Psi Storm=112 damage, larger radius.

I believe that they have a larger casting range too but I may be wrong about that.
WriterXiao8~~
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 15 2011 13:59 GMT
#53
updated the OP with some more questions
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
gibb
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden288 Posts
April 15 2011 14:04 GMT
#54
Mondragon most handsome gamer? !?
Mondragon's Body thread please makeeeeeee it now! =)
Manners.
Nifel
Profile Joined June 2010
706 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 14:45:43
April 15 2011 14:44 GMT
#55
Thank you so much for doing this. Mondragon has always been one of my favorite players and having him share his thoughts is gold. Also I simply love his approach to the game in general. While I respect and admire those with the "standard" view of the game, it's always nice to see that there are other approaches that work just as well.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 15 2011 16:49 GMT
#56
On April 15 2011 23:04 gibb wrote:
Mondragon most handsome gamer? !?
Mondragon's Body thread please makeeeeeee it now! =)


I'm sure he would apreciate a thread like that
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
I Hott Sauce I
Profile Joined June 2010
United States91 Posts
April 15 2011 17:57 GMT
#57
Infestors and banelings useless...ahh yeahh........
Power Overwhelming
NoXious90
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom160 Posts
April 15 2011 18:06 GMT
#58
Everything he said was right on the money. SC2 has lots of room for improvement before it gets anywhere near BW.
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
April 15 2011 18:16 GMT
#59
Freaking awesome questions. Like his personality, seems like a real stand up person. With unusual view on the game. Like this fella. GO MONDRAGON!
Yes I am
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
April 15 2011 19:01 GMT
#60
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
April 15 2011 19:02 GMT
#61
I didn't really read anything he was saying as a balance commentary at all... I am as sick of all the scrub zerg players QQing rather than adapting as anyone else, but I didn't read any QQ from Mondragon so im not sure why that was brought up.

Alot of you seem to have the memory of a goldfish. When SC2 was still new protoss players were complaining that they would hit a wall in high diamond where the winrate just dropped dramatically and everyone told them protoss is unexplored and that people need to try new things. Now they've done that and protoss has dozens of openers and some really strong playstyles, all of which, came after mostly nerfs to the race. The buff to scouting was the only positive really since release, but some good protoss strategies developed and here we are. Zerg, its your turn to learn to play perfect.

Case and point, guy I was talking to after our ladder match.. he had hit masters as zerg last season and got so frustrated and thought protoss would be easy so decided to switch for season 2 since it was going to be "sooo easy". He went 1-20 as protoss in his first games up until I played him. To be honest, it took the better part of a year for protoss players in the upper leagues to become confident in their matchups because its so unforgiving until you really get dug in. You miss an offensive or defensive forcefield or don't make the perfect early game comps, you just lose. You can lose in the blink of an eye from the tiniest mistake or delayed reaction. I'm not saying other races don't lose to small mistakes and im not even implying that terran don't benefit the most, for instance, from really great micro. I'm saying that protoss play depends upon it more to actually survive and that it took the game being out a long time before they were really powerful at upper levels. We were seriously getting shit on by everyone until we learned to play better consistently.

I don't feel bad for the zerg's growing pains at all...Well maybe a little bit at lower levels because of the strength of 4-gate at that level.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 15 2011 20:07 GMT
#62
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D
Life?
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
April 15 2011 20:20 GMT
#63
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.
Really, play for fun!
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
April 15 2011 20:41 GMT
#64
On April 16 2011 05:20 ZpuX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

True, but pretty much every other unit got stronger, especially marines and zealots for early game battles. Also force fields totally block zerglings and collossus demolish them, two things which we didn't see in BW. Tanks are also way way more effective against zerglings now since they wont overkill. This was a huge deal in BW.


But doesnt the same hold also for Zeals and Marines - same dmg, hp etc? Plus, weaker stim pack in sc2.
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
insta
Profile Joined May 2010
216 Posts
April 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#65
On April 11 2011 19:01 Essentia wrote:
Wow it's such a weird coincidence that almost ALL zerg players have personalities about complaining about the game/race they play.



Wow it's such a weird coincidence that Zerg is indeed a little bit UP imo ;D


But actually... yes you are right !
pls dont judge before research, pls dont research before thinking
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:53:55
April 15 2011 20:53 GMT
#66
On April 16 2011 04:01 Titorelli wrote:
Why are BW lings considered much stronger than SC2 lings? Don't they do the same dmg and have a similar (the same) attack speed and HP?

In bw. units don't clump together, lings have more surface area to attack thus deal more damage then their counter part in sc2.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
April 15 2011 22:30 GMT
#67
On April 16 2011 05:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
From Binky1842: Does Mondi still have his easy button?
Yeah, I still have the button. It is used quite regularly for things in real life. Unfortunately it is not used too much for offline tournaments anymore because I have not been at any offline tournament lately.


Favorite question out of the whole interview :D


Best part is the follow up imo

From Testie: Dear Mondi,
If there's ever 2v2 tourneys in SC2 Want to kill them?
Easy! Lets do it and push the easy Button :D

"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
April 22 2011 13:26 GMT
#68
Hey I get all my questions answered yay! Thanks Mondragon!

.....and the website says the questions are from some guy called StuBob?
Sucker for nostalgia
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