Situation Report: Patch 1.3 - Page 14

On April 05 2011 12:25 bearhug wrote:


Carriers are ''worse'' than BCs because there are void rays which are insanely powerful. If they make Carriers better than BCs, then protoss will be too powerful and Terran won't have an answer to the protoss deathball.

On April 05 2011 16:03 entropius wrote:


Why can't Protoss remax? Actually, they remax better than Terran does, since with warpin they can start rebuilding *instantly*, and then use all that saved chronoboost on their production facilities.

45 seconds after an engagement, each T production building costing 200/25 has built a marauder and a half.

Meanwhile, each P production building costing 150/0 has warped in TWO stalkers/zealots and almost ready to warp in a third if it's being chronoboosted.

On April 05 2011 17:05 KingAce wrote:
I really can't wait for blizzard to nerf the colossus. Because I know from the various patches so far the balance team doesn't know what the hell they're doing. Their approach is always mind numbing. The moment blizzard touches the colossus is the moment the protoss race will fall, hard.

From the beginning the race was designed with 3 key factors in mind. Gateway units are garbage but produce quickly from any where with warp in. Protect yourself with sentries. Win with Colossus.
From the beginning to currently this has been the theme, sure protoss players have done all kinds of timing attacks with DTs, voidrays etc. Blizzard has nerfed all those cheesey builds, at the same time killing any other tech choices outside of colossus tech.

The race wins with colossus and losses because of a lack of them. If you touch this unit you have to rethink the entire race. Hydras own gateway units, colossus counters them. MMM owns gateway units colossus counters them. If they buff gateway units, they have to redesign warp in and sentries. There was a time after blizzard nerfed HTs where protoss players where saying to get rid of the unit, warp in+the amulet changed their opinions. The HT has never lived up to it's BW counterpart. Now it's even less feasible.

All through out the game blizzard has been slowly nerfing protoss, again and again. The colossus is really this races last stand. All other options aren't cost effective or as efficient at killing the opponents army. Nothing in the protoss army matches the damage of terran mech, or the dps of terran MMM. The dps of hydra roach, hell protoss can't really effectively handle muta now.

So I can't wait for them to screw up their game, with the colossus nerf. That's why I appreciate the QQs from everyone. I think blizzard needs to fuck up big time for them to understand that they don't have a clue about anything in terms of balance.

* David Kim is a Game Balance Designer for StarCraft II. He plays random against himself-- and wins.

On April 05 2011 17:35 tdt wrote:

I still think 200 vs 200 protoss should win because of unit cost and slow rebuild not to mention it offers more dynamics to the game.

Gateway units are garbage

On April 05 2011 17:51 theBOOCH wrote:


I thought this was funny. Watching dayvies games always makes me question what Blizzard is thinking. At MLG Dallas I watched Huk (from over his shoulder) play a warm up game against dayvie (just a random ladder match on bnet). Dayvie went some three factory rush something or other against Huks 3gate robo. Huk attacked and dayvie had 1 hellion... I'm sure he doesn't play like that all the time, but how can he be a balance designer if he doesn't know (or doesnt care that) a strat like that is going to fail 99.9% of the time X(

On April 05 2011 19:31 nkr wrote:
And you don't think it's a game balancers job to test out every single strategy there is, instead of doing the same shit game after game?

On April 05 2011 17:59 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:



just wanna throw in that terran actually rebuilds slower then protoss. P can in some cases even keep up with Z.

and



i thought this is finally proven wrong? look at the gateway spam pvt styles, or at
kor vs world ro8 spoiler
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On April 05 2011 19:42 Dommk wrote:


Protoss builds the slowest. Zealots/Stalker/Sentry have greater production time than Marine/Marauder (when adding in the 5second warpin time). Voidrays/Immortals both have greater build times than Siege tanks, and the immortal is 5seconds faster than a thor where as a Voidray has the same. The Colossus has greater production time than every Terran unit sans BC, and the Carrier has greater Production time and cost than everything in the game - build time: 120seconds + 32seconds for 4more interceptors. Total cost is 450/250 . Chrono boost throws all that around but you don't have infinite Chronoboost

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On April 05 2011 17:51 theBOOCH wrote:


I thought this was funny. Watching dayvies games always makes me question what Blizzard is thinking. At MLG Dallas I watched Huk (from over his shoulder) play a warm up game against dayvie (just a random ladder match on bnet). Dayvie went some three factory rush something or other against Huks 3gate robo. Huk attacked and dayvie had 1 hellion... I'm sure he doesn't play like that all the time, but how can he be a balance designer if he doesn't know (or doesnt care that) a strat like that is going to fail 99.9% of the time X(

On April 05 2011 12:03 GP wrote:

Dude, I actually love your idea for warp-in. I've personally hate the idea of warp-ins myself. If you could only warp-in with cheap warp prisms they could easily buff Gateway units and nerf colossi without completely breaking the game.