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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
April 07 2011 01:57 GMT
#381
On April 06 2011 23:22 Blacklizard wrote:
I always like to read these things, too. I do feel for the arguments, but I still have a big problem with Amulet going away. Terran have almost all the harass and scary dps options. Late game amulet kept Protoss on even footing. I think game 4 of this match (below) is pretty good proof of how Terran has so much forgiveness in their play and Protoss does not... and without Amulet you sometimes can't find holes in the enemy to exploit. EMP is a big deal without amulet. Teching backwards to Colossus late game is dangerous because vikings can pop really fast. See game 4, where P was ahead the whole game, ahead on upgrades, defended everything, harassed some (dark templar had 7 kills after the hellions got probe kills), made almost no mistakes, and then... well just watch if you haven't already:

http://www.gomtv.net/2011championship/vod/64329


I have seen that game too. Just because Tastosis said the tactic was superior doesn´t mean it´s automatically true. Watch the game again: After the 13 minutes(videotime, 19 or so in gametime) San did some bad engagements, suffered harass etc. so he completely lost his advantage until the final fight. Then, both had roughly the same supply and San had a pretty bad composition. MVP had almost as many vikings as San had Stalkers, while most of the army was Colossi too. He also lost lots of HT by having them in front of his army, then after catching EMP he morphed them right in front of the enemy army. He even transitioned into DT twice(2 DT shrines), the second DTs just didn´t do anything, because the bases were already DT-proof.

The opening of San was awesome, but he got chipped to death. It´s no matter of forgiveness of the race.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
April 07 2011 02:03 GMT
#382
Isnt it off topic since the main focus should be the incoming nerf of colossus? HT already got nerfed, there is no turning back. Blizzard never change back their changes in the past. Just deal with it. Like the reaper nerf, they admit it is a mistake, but there is no going back.
Mommas Boy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada144 Posts
April 07 2011 02:09 GMT
#383
They admitted the reaper nerf was a mistake?

Link Pls?
here to play.
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
April 07 2011 03:19 GMT
#384
http://www.gosugamers.net/general/news/14810-dustin-browder-talks-esports-and-hots-at-gdc-2011

"The Reaper not in a happy place. It was a bit of a mis-step for us. The players showed us what it was capable of and we nerfed it into obscurity. This will be addressed in Heart of the Swarm."

--Dustin Browder
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
April 07 2011 03:20 GMT
#385
There was a long interview with Dustin but I cant find the original article.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
April 07 2011 03:34 GMT
#386
On April 07 2011 12:19 ehalf wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/general/news/14810-dustin-browder-talks-esports-and-hots-at-gdc-2011

"The Reaper not in a happy place. It was a bit of a mis-step for us. The players showed us what it was capable of and we nerfed it into obscurity. This will be addressed in Heart of the Swarm."

--Dustin Browder


I don't mind waiting, but I do wish they wouldn't arbitrarily delay that stuff.
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
April 07 2011 03:38 GMT
#387
I admit that 2 colossuspush is in PvT too strong atm, but besides that nerfing colossus would destroy solid protoss game. Maybe they want protoss to do random allins. They are already quite bad when viking count is +14 or corruptors instakill them, so you have to tech switch to HT's without amulet.

Protoss units costs more than other races units while they do less dps, you just cant beat anyrace without colossus(or HT which got nerfed already). Bio stim rapes everything except colo/ht army and same goes to roachhydra.
Mommas Boy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada144 Posts
April 07 2011 13:01 GMT
#388
On April 07 2011 12:19 ehalf wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/general/news/14810-dustin-browder-talks-esports-and-hots-at-gdc-2011

"The Reaper not in a happy place. It was a bit of a mis-step for us. The players showed us what it was capable of and we nerfed it into obscurity. This will be addressed in Heart of the Swarm."

--Dustin Browder




Wowww, I totally missed that. Its good that they clearly have a plan for HOTS, i suppose.

Why the hell wouldnt they just give it a slight buff , i wonder.
here to play.
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 07 2011 13:59 GMT
#389
On April 07 2011 12:20 ehalf wrote:
There was a long interview with Dustin but I cant find the original article.


I've clicked around quite a bit, but it does not appear like the interview has been published :/

If someone has the actual interview I'd enjoy reading it.
[G] Positioning, Formations, and Tactics: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187892
Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
April 07 2011 14:09 GMT
#390
Why do they need to wait until Heart of the Swarm to fix the reaper? ~~
I have a beard. I'm unprofessional.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 07 2011 14:12 GMT
#391
On April 07 2011 12:34 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 12:19 ehalf wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/general/news/14810-dustin-browder-talks-esports-and-hots-at-gdc-2011

"The Reaper not in a happy place. It was a bit of a mis-step for us. The players showed us what it was capable of and we nerfed it into obscurity. This will be addressed in Heart of the Swarm."

--Dustin Browder


I don't mind waiting, but I do wish they wouldn't arbitrarily delay that stuff.


I assume the reason for the "arbitrary delay" is because they will redesign the reaper and don't want to do such drastic changes in a mere patch.
Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
April 07 2011 14:12 GMT
#392
I feel like they probably have some things planned for multiple units (I sincerely hope they take another look at the hydra), but they probably don't just want to push it out in some random patch.

Since they maybe want to overhaul the unit, give it new ability's, etc.
That also means it maybe has to be balanced with maybe some new units in mind, some other units that get changed, etc.
So it probably makes more sense for them, to do this in a expansion with an extensive beta, etc then jus throwing it out there immediatly.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 07 2011 14:15 GMT
#393
On April 07 2011 23:09 Striding Strider wrote:
Why do they need to wait until Heart of the Swarm to fix the reaper? ~~


Maybe its more of a sweeping change and not just a simple fix that would require a lot of time and trickle down fixes for other units/races.
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