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irninja
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 01:18:02
March 20 2011 20:11 GMT
#1
"To zerg" or "a zerg", used to describe with more detail a given scenario, is starting to become quite commonplace around the web, and especially in games. Whether being swarmed by a mass influx of players in a shooter, or being outnumbered by a giant mass of pvp characters in an mmo, it is often used as both a noun and a verb.

Strategy games have obvious taken the brunt of this new meaning, and even now you can find it being used regularly on Total War and other new and popular strategy games to describe a mass or blob of a paticular unit or set of units.

Examples:
As a noun:

(in a shooter; example; describing a large number or enemies moving together)
"I'll keep these guys here pinned with mg42 covering fire, you all move out." "I should be fine unless I spot a zerg or something, I don't have the aummunition for that"

As a verb:

(im an mmo type setting; example; A group of players about to attack a castle)
"What do you mean they have an upgraded castle defense? Who cares? We'll mass recruit from the main chat channels/cities and zerg them"


My question is, if the popularity of the term expands further, and we find it being used outside of gaming, what would be your official definition of it? How would you find it defined in a dictionary?

Mine would be:
To overwhelm with extraordinary numbers.

I'll post the best ones here.

Zerg (Verb): To quickly overwhelm, surround, infiltrate and corrupt.
The enemy zerged the base, taking it as their own, leaving left only burned flags.

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Moda
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway60 Posts
March 20 2011 20:15 GMT
#2
To put a large amount of preassure on something or someone.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 20:18:01
March 20 2011 20:17 GMT
#3
I remember from my WoW days,(if anyone here played it). In the WoW arena, where (especially) with 2 melee characters would basically tunnelvision a single character all game long to kill them, was called zerging.(Just zerg the priest ,for example). Then again, Zerg is also used to describe overwhelming numbers.
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okrane
Profile Joined April 2010
France265 Posts
March 20 2011 20:20 GMT
#4
In fact all these terms were derived from the philosophy of the Starcraft 1 race with the same name: lots of swarming units overwhelming the opponent with their pure numbers and strength.
Really disappointed with Starcraft II Zerg! :(
Xova
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
March 20 2011 20:21 GMT
#5
On March 21 2011 05:17 Kipsate wrote:
I remember from my WoW days,(if anyone here played it).


Lol
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TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
March 20 2011 20:22 GMT
#6
In my mind it will always simply mean overwhelming numbers. Your definition is pretty much the only one I can imagine. Lots of cheap or quick units/people moving towards a single goal. Zerg would be a synonym for swarm, you can swarm a position and you can be part of a swarm. Zerg is just a gaming term meaning the same thing.
KillyKyll
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States267 Posts
March 20 2011 20:23 GMT
#7
Zerg (Verb): To quickly overwhelm, surround, infiltrate and corrupt.

The enemy zerged the base, taking it as their own, leaving left only burned flags.

That's the best I could come up with, for now anyways.
Seriously?
buzzbin
Profile Joined May 2010
12 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 20:24:33
March 20 2011 20:23 GMT
#8
On March 21 2011 05:17 Kipsate wrote:
I remember from my WoW days,(if anyone here played it). In the WoW arena, where (especially) with 2 melee characters would basically tunnelvision a single character all game long to kill them, was called zerging.(Just zerg the priest ,for example). Then again, Zerg is also used to describe overwhelming numbers.


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Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
March 20 2011 20:28 GMT
#9
to swarm, surround, and overrun with sheer numbers
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
March 20 2011 20:30 GMT
#10
On March 21 2011 05:23 Killykill wrote:
Zerg (Verb): To quickly overwhelm, surround, infiltrate and corrupt.

The enemy zerged the base, taking it as their own, leaving left only burned flags.

That's the best I could come up with, for now anyways.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zerg


Originates from Blizzard's game Starcraft where zerg were one of 3 playable races, aliens like appeareance, zerg were characterized by using large numbers of weak units to swarm the enemy, also another charasteristic of zerg were that everything was organic, ie, zerg didnt used machines or any artifacts, they would mutate their own buildings from special kind of larvae and advanced units were created by mutating basic ones. Units were cheap to make and it was possible to make extreme numbers in short period of time.

Nowadays term zerg is used in mmo games to describe force consisted of large group of lower level players (often with only basic equipment) who use numbers rather then strategy to defeat the enemy, therefore requiring no skill. This tactics is commonly known as zerging


To make oneself at home in a friend's place and lay waste there.
Originally from the game Starcraft where Zerg are an alien playable race who tend to expand through the map using their creep.


when a bunch of talentless noobs get together and try to use large numbers against one target, instead of skill and tactics.
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Disciple7
Profile Joined August 2010
United States198 Posts
March 20 2011 20:30 GMT
#11
"My girlfriend bitched and zerged about how I never talk about feelings, 'how am I supposed to make this relationship work if you have such a range of emotions and it's impossible for me to decipher them and respond before the 7PM mark?'"
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Floobie
Profile Joined February 2011
England296 Posts
March 20 2011 20:33 GMT
#12
My definition would be:
To be weaker then the opponent
e.g "That guys a zerg, you got this easy"

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chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
March 20 2011 20:37 GMT
#13
On March 21 2011 05:33 Floobie wrote:
My definition would be:
To be weaker then the opponent
e.g "That guys a zerg, you got this easy"


I don't know if this is inappropriate.
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Floobie
Profile Joined February 2011
England296 Posts
March 20 2011 20:49 GMT
#14
Seemed like it fit in with the whole swarm idea, the many is greater then the few makes me think of zerglings which are weaker without numbers.

In hindsight it does look like im talking about sc2 balance. Ah well.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
March 20 2011 21:16 GMT
#15
On March 21 2011 05:37 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 05:33 Floobie wrote:
My definition would be:
To be weaker then the opponent
e.g "That guys a zerg, you got this easy"


I don't know if this is inappropriate.


Perhaps its not appropriate, however it does capture some of the sentiments a lot of zerg players feel. to me Zerg is a feeling of oppression that must be over come by intelligence, timing and persistence.
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Moja
Profile Joined July 2010
United States313 Posts
March 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#16
It's basically a synonym of "swarm", both in noun and verb form.
rasdasd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States82 Posts
March 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#17
Zerg: The galaxy's most evil emperor.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
March 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#18
On March 21 2011 06:36 rasdasd wrote:
Zerg: The galaxy's most evil emperor.


this ^ i hope everybody else gets the reference
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CosmoSagan
Profile Joined August 2010
3 Posts
March 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#19
On March 21 2011 06:36 Moja wrote:
It's basically a synonym of "swarm", both in noun and verb form.



This. Point Set Match.
Johnranger-123
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United Kingdom341 Posts
March 20 2011 21:54 GMT
#20
On March 21 2011 06:36 rasdasd wrote:
Zerg: The galaxy's most evil emperor.

Ahaha so awesome and true xD
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
March 20 2011 21:57 GMT
#21
"a zerg" to never be able to attack
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
March 20 2011 22:00 GMT
#22
when i played SWG "zerg/ing" was thrown around often. probably in any MMO really, but yea haha.
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Touch
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada475 Posts
March 20 2011 22:03 GMT
#23
Zerg = Shit storm.
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theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
March 20 2011 22:06 GMT
#24
I think "to overwhelm with extraordinary numbers" is a great definition. I can see it come into common parlance, especially in the extermination industry.
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Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
March 20 2011 22:07 GMT
#25
On March 21 2011 05:17 Kipsate wrote:
I remember from my WoW days,(if anyone here played it). In the WoW arena, where (especially) with 2 melee characters would basically tunnelvision a single character all game long to kill them, was called zerging.(Just zerg the priest ,for example). Then again, Zerg is also used to describe overwhelming numbers.

Melee, in wow ? in arenas ?
I think we played a different game sir.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 20 2011 22:09 GMT
#26
I like this term getting use outside of SC2
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
March 20 2011 22:28 GMT
#27
To overwhelm with extraordinary numbers is I think not the correct term. I think it need the addition of mentioning the expendability of what is in the extraordinary numbers. Something along the lines of

To overwhelm with extraordinary numbers of expendables.

This is because I don't think anyone would ever say they got zergged by thor's or any rl equivalent, because then it is just massing.
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how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
March 20 2011 22:28 GMT
#28
On March 21 2011 07:00 zyglrox wrote:
when i played SWG "zerg/ing" was thrown around often. probably in any MMO really, but yea haha.


SWG (pre CU) was far above any MMO out there today.
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shaippen
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden88 Posts
March 20 2011 22:38 GMT
#29
I some mmo or something (I have no idea which game, don't remember) zerging meant some players in a party rushing through a dungeon or similar, ignoring the rest of the group.
Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
March 20 2011 23:05 GMT
#30
I would have thought to zerg was to die before you ever get to your target destination.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
March 21 2011 00:04 GMT
#31
"Zerg"
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Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
March 21 2011 00:07 GMT
#32

Zerg Definition: The act of being Zerg
Ex: Zerg rush kekekekekekeke
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
March 21 2011 00:09 GMT
#33
The definition of zerging in MMOs is essentially using lots of low quality units or players to kill stronger opponents.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
March 21 2011 00:13 GMT
#34
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 21 2011 00:21 GMT
#35
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KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
March 21 2011 00:34 GMT
#36
Hmm, my definition.

To zerg would be to swarm the opponent with large numbers of inferior quality units.
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MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
March 21 2011 00:59 GMT
#37
the movie 300
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GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
March 21 2011 01:01 GMT
#38
No one really says zerg rush kekeke anymore in SC2. It's more like Terran Scv All-in lololol

Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 21 2011 01:03 GMT
#39
Using the word "zerg" as a verb is an abomination.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
March 21 2011 01:06 GMT
#40
zerg was also used a lot in WOW old days in BGs, like "zerg the GY" or "Zerg Stables/ Farm" meaning everyone attack at once and keep attacking to overwhelm the opponents.
For the swarm!
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
March 21 2011 01:08 GMT
#41
On March 21 2011 10:01 GhostFall wrote:
No one really says zerg rush kekeke anymore in SC2. It's more like Terran Scv All-in lololol



Golden.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
March 21 2011 01:10 GMT
#42
+ Show Spoiler [joke] +
To cry endlessly on forums

"Person A: I hate this game so much, it sucks
Person B: Quit being a zerg bro!"

I thought it had always been a term used to overwhelm in sheer numbers..

Nerd version of the word swarm?
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Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
March 21 2011 01:12 GMT
#43
On March 21 2011 10:06 vojnik wrote:
zerg was also used a lot in WOW old days in BGs, like "zerg the GY" or "Zerg Stables/ Farm" meaning everyone attack at once and keep attacking to overwhelm the opponents.


Know what was disgusting? When I played WoW years ago, people were saying "zerg the <whatever>!" And I asked them if they knew who the zerg are.

"No? Who're the zerg?"
"You ever played Starcraft?"
"What's Starcraft?"

I was like :o
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vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
March 21 2011 01:20 GMT
#44
On March 21 2011 10:12 Maynarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 10:06 vojnik wrote:
zerg was also used a lot in WOW old days in BGs, like "zerg the GY" or "Zerg Stables/ Farm" meaning everyone attack at once and keep attacking to overwhelm the opponents.


Know what was disgusting? When I played WoW years ago, people were saying "zerg the <whatever>!" And I asked them if they knew who the zerg are.

"No? Who're the zerg?"
"You ever played Starcraft?"
"What's Starcraft?"

I was like :o


ye i had pretty much same experience
For the swarm!
irninja
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1220 Posts
March 21 2011 01:20 GMT
#45
All of you zerg haters are awesome and awful at the same time... show some love!

We need moar proper definitions!

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NoobieOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 01:24:06
March 21 2011 01:21 GMT
#46
to zerg

to follow everything the gracken of zerg says.
KillyKyll
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States267 Posts
March 21 2011 01:27 GMT
#47
Because I did a very well thought out post on the first page, I thought I might go for the funnies. I'm surprised this hasn't been said yet:

To zerg: Sexing

"He zerged her"

"She zerged him"

"I never zerg anyone so I want to kill myself"

"Lol, look at that guy, it seems some zerglings got in his pants"

"They zerged Them"

"Everyone would be happy and stop fighting if everyone just zerged all the time."

"lol wtf u nub i zerg your mom, gg"
Seriously?
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
March 21 2011 01:29 GMT
#48
On March 21 2011 09:59 MileyCyrus wrote:
the movie 300




some how thats more like protoss...very low number of units, and everything hinging on the humble sentry holding of narrow passages

palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
March 21 2011 01:30 GMT
#49
a zerg, a swarm; a crowd, a drove, a herd, a horde, a mass, a multitude, a myriad, a throng
to zerg, to swarm; to abound, to be numerous, to cluster, to congregate, to crawl, to crowd, to gather like bees, to mass, to mob, to move in a crowd, to overrun, to pullulate, to rush together, to stream, to teem, to throng
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B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
March 21 2011 01:37 GMT
#50
to be zerg:
cry 24/7

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Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
March 21 2011 01:41 GMT
#51
Zerg (verb)
to genetically assimilate

Zerg (verb)
to conquer by outnumbering a force that would win in a 1 on 1 battle. To conquer a stronger opponent by outnumbering them

Zerg (noun)
Abomination, an abhorrence of something, a detested and disgusting mock up.

Zerg (verb)
To assimilate something and purify it, or bring out it's strengths and nullify it's weaknesses.
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