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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
March 10 2011 04:49 GMT
#181
On March 10 2011 13:37 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 13:35 Count9 wrote:
Top 8 I'll watch (unless it's houngun or mkp) but the rest I don't even bother unless I'm feeling down and need a new strat to try bashing newbies. A lot of the games are just so bad before round of 16. (not as bad as before code S, but still bad)


Why won't you watch mkp?

I don't think his style is fun or exciting to watch and I don't feel like I learn anything from him when I watch him. His builds feel like a good builds for him rather than good builds period, and until I become him, I can't really use them effectively so I just don't learn anything. (until I get another 100 apm and more multitasking)
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
March 10 2011 04:49 GMT
#182
On March 10 2011 13:41 Zzoram wrote:
MKP is a pretty great Terran and deserves to be in Code S. People are always bitching about how players don't have style, but MKP certainly does. He has a unique style that nobody else plays, he's hyper aggressive, and he's been pretty successful. You'd think that would make him into a fan favourite, but yet everyone shits on his play.

He lost to MVP and everyone was ridiculously happy to see him go down, but beating tons of great players only to lose to the best in the world in no way makes MKP bad.

I don't think people understand MKP's record. His only GSL Bo3/5/7 losses are to:

MVP
MC
Nestea

Who are probably the best players in the world of their respective races.

MKP is a fucking beast and TL hates him because Idra and Incontrol senselessly hate him on State of the Game.


I won't try to deny that MKP is good, but it's a bit annoying how conveniently cherrypicked your record of MKP is. He lost to Alive in the GSTL and to sC and IncA in Ro32 this season.
GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
March 10 2011 04:49 GMT
#183
On March 10 2011 13:29 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 13:28 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:18 Zzoram wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:15 jalstar wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:01 Zzoram wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:00 Clare wrote:
One thing I don't get is why are some people ONLY interested in watching the foreigners play? Even if the foreigners aren't as good as the Koreans, they will stop watching when they get knocked out. It makes no sense to me whatsoever... if the best players in the world are playing in the GSL, then I'll continue to watch.


It's the whiteness factor. Many white people want to watch white people win. People rarely admit it, but it's the truth. A lot of the Europeans have mangled English and boring interviews as well, but their whiteness makes them more interesting to many people than a superior Korean player.


Don't BS please, lots of foreigners are of asian descent. It's the fact that we know them from small tournaments that Koreans don't know about, streams, and forum posts, much like Korean fans know the lesser-known Koreans.

Cella is much more widely known than most Koreans of his skill level because he streams, Select isn't white but he's as well or more well known to foreigners than a lot of white players. Using the race card is just so wrong here.


Even in the coverage of GSL qualifiers, Incontrol gets a ton of screen time but Select, who is likely a much better foreigner player, gets almost nothing. Plus when you hear people talk about foreigners in GSL, they always forget guys like Sen and Loner. Why do you think that is?


It's a good point but keep in mind, you're only talking about the English speaking world (that uses TL). Go to a Chinese-speaking forum and there won't be any confusion about whether Sen is a foreigner.


I don't think the fact that people speak English on the forum reduces their capacity to identify who is or is not Korean in any way.


But he's right -- when people talk about the foreign players Sen and Loner rarely come up. Look at the Foreigner Specials on this forum. The Asian foreigners don't get mentioned, for example.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11416 Posts
March 10 2011 04:51 GMT
#184
No, I still am most interested in the GSL- but I've never had any money for premium tickets. However, I can't physically keep staying up til 4am in the morning and then go to work the next day, so I don't keep up as much anymore.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
March 10 2011 04:52 GMT
#185
On March 10 2011 13:49 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 13:29 HolyArrow wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:28 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:18 Zzoram wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:15 jalstar wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:01 Zzoram wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:00 Clare wrote:
One thing I don't get is why are some people ONLY interested in watching the foreigners play? Even if the foreigners aren't as good as the Koreans, they will stop watching when they get knocked out. It makes no sense to me whatsoever... if the best players in the world are playing in the GSL, then I'll continue to watch.


It's the whiteness factor. Many white people want to watch white people win. People rarely admit it, but it's the truth. A lot of the Europeans have mangled English and boring interviews as well, but their whiteness makes them more interesting to many people than a superior Korean player.


Don't BS please, lots of foreigners are of asian descent. It's the fact that we know them from small tournaments that Koreans don't know about, streams, and forum posts, much like Korean fans know the lesser-known Koreans.

Cella is much more widely known than most Koreans of his skill level because he streams, Select isn't white but he's as well or more well known to foreigners than a lot of white players. Using the race card is just so wrong here.


Even in the coverage of GSL qualifiers, Incontrol gets a ton of screen time but Select, who is likely a much better foreigner player, gets almost nothing. Plus when you hear people talk about foreigners in GSL, they always forget guys like Sen and Loner. Why do you think that is?


It's a good point but keep in mind, you're only talking about the English speaking world (that uses TL). Go to a Chinese-speaking forum and there won't be any confusion about whether Sen is a foreigner.


I don't think the fact that people speak English on the forum reduces their capacity to identify who is or is not Korean in any way.


But he's right -- when people talk about the foreign players Sen and Loner rarely come up. Look at the Foreigner Specials on this forum. The Asian foreigners don't get mentioned, for example.


I'm confused. I agree with everything you said there. I was merely taking issue with how you seemed to be saying that the fact that these forums are English forums gives some sort of "excuse" for not recognizing non-Korean asians as foreigners.
TurtlePerson2
Profile Joined October 2010
United States218 Posts
March 10 2011 04:53 GMT
#186
When Tiger Woods was playing in a tournament, twice as many people would watch it. When there's no foreigners in the tournament I tend to lose interest. I enjoy the style of the tournament with a few matches each night for a month, so I will probably continue buying a ticket (especially with the $10 price).
torturis exuvias eunt
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
March 10 2011 04:53 GMT
#187
I still think code S and the team leagues are awesome, but code A, not so much.
Every sunday a nun lays from my gunplay
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 10 2011 04:53 GMT
#188
On March 10 2011 13:49 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 13:41 Zzoram wrote:
MKP is a pretty great Terran and deserves to be in Code S. People are always bitching about how players don't have style, but MKP certainly does. He has a unique style that nobody else plays, he's hyper aggressive, and he's been pretty successful. You'd think that would make him into a fan favourite, but yet everyone shits on his play.

He lost to MVP and everyone was ridiculously happy to see him go down, but beating tons of great players only to lose to the best in the world in no way makes MKP bad.

I don't think people understand MKP's record. His only GSL Bo3/5/7 losses are to:

MVP
MC
Nestea

Who are probably the best players in the world of their respective races.

MKP is a fucking beast and TL hates him because Idra and Incontrol senselessly hate him on State of the Game.


I won't try to deny that MKP is good, but it's a bit annoying how conveniently cherrypicked your record of MKP is. He lost to Alive in the GSTL and to sC and IncA in Ro32 this season.


In single matches.

Ask any foreign pro if a Bo3/5/7 is a better way to compare two players than a single game. They'll all tell you the same thing, a series carries much more weight comparing skill between two players.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
March 10 2011 04:53 GMT
#189
if anything its going up.. better players..better games.. each season less and less bad builds/play. maps better as well
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 04:56:00
March 10 2011 04:55 GMT
#190
On March 10 2011 13:53 TurtlePerson2 wrote:
When Tiger Woods was playing in a tournament, twice as many people would watch it. When there's no foreigners in the tournament I tend to lose interest. I enjoy the style of the tournament with a few matches each night for a month, so I will probably continue buying a ticket (especially with the $10 price).


The difference is that Tiger Woods was the best in the world for years, sitting at the top of the world rankings and winning tons of major tournaments against the next best in the world.

None of the foreigners are anywhere near that level of prestige.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 05:00:52
March 10 2011 04:57 GMT
#191
On March 10 2011 13:49 Count9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 13:37 rysecake wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:35 Count9 wrote:
Top 8 I'll watch (unless it's houngun or mkp) but the rest I don't even bother unless I'm feeling down and need a new strat to try bashing newbies. A lot of the games are just so bad before round of 16. (not as bad as before code S, but still bad)


Why won't you watch mkp?

I don't think his style is fun or exciting to watch and I don't feel like I learn anything from him when I watch him. His builds feel like a good builds for him rather than good builds period, and until I become him, I can't really use them effectively so I just don't learn anything. (until I get another 100 apm and more multitasking)


That's actually the thrill I get when I watch a player like MKP. For me at least I find it boring when a player does a build that even a common player like me can do effectively (cool you can 4 gate? so can i). Nothing excites me more than watching him do a 6 way marine split within seconds to dodge speed banelings. Yea common people like us can't do it, but that's what makes it special.

It's kinda like watching jaedong's muta micro. Can we do it? Hell no. But it sure is hell entertaining to watch him do it.
The Notorious Winkles
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13395 Posts
March 10 2011 04:58 GMT
#192
I will be watching the recommended vods but really need to split my time more effectively. no more BanBans and bitbybits for me. Also no more mc vs hongun style games either (note; not necessarily no PvPs, just no more of what happened in that series - very boring to watch)
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Noise
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia47 Posts
March 10 2011 04:59 GMT
#193
On March 10 2011 11:53 Canucklehead wrote:
Just the opposite. It increases with each season cause I want to watch the best. I will only watch select nasl games as I already spend hours watching gsl, so don't have time to watch nasl as well. Some people like the MLS, while others prefer to watch the european soccer leagues. To each their own, but I will be sticking with the best.


This.
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
March 10 2011 05:01 GMT
#194
lol what??? i don't see how you could be losing interest without losing interest in starcraft 2 in general. sure there's people who watch only for foreigners, so if you care less with idra gone, that's understandable, but on the flipside there are more foreigners placing higher than there were in the beginning, and there are very few god awful terrible players left in either code A or code S. overall i think unless you only care about foreigners, i can't rationalize being less interested without getting bored of starcraft 2 entirely.

my problem with GSL has always been how there manages to be this one guy who sucks but gets super deep in the tournament, and that's just not happening anymore. the guys who suck suck less, and they get crushed like they should be. this is the season i bought my first ticket because i finally felt like it was a tournament that i could enjoy the whole way through, whereas i only enjoyed the end of the tournament in previous seasons.

i am personally not that excited for NASL, i mean i'm hyped for it but i'm always skeptical of promises and hype machines until things actually fall into place. i am SUPER hyped for TSL, mainly because it reminds me of a SC2 WCG except with non-koreans having more of a chance, and i love MLG and have been a fan of it since before i got into RTS. everything is of lower interest to me than GSL though, i would only pay to watch GSL at this point.
KMARTRULES
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia474 Posts
March 10 2011 05:03 GMT
#195
Well i can't really see how NASL is going to be better than GSL. NASL will not be live and its production will not be as good. The players are not as good, nor are the casters.

The only thing that the NASL trumps GSL with is its prize pool.

That said i will still watch both but i don't think that NASL makes me less interested
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 05:05:49
March 10 2011 05:05 GMT
#196
On March 10 2011 14:03 KMARTRULES wrote:
Well i can't really see how NASL is going to be better than GSL. NASL will not be live and its production will not be as good. The players are not as good, nor are the casters.

The only thing that the NASL trumps GSL with is its prize pool.

That said i will still watch both but i don't think that NASL makes me less interested


Incontrol is a funny guy on a podcast, but he's really no match for Artosis as a caster.

I'll still watch NASL games with names I care about, same with TSL3/MLG, but I'm not going to stop watching GSL.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
March 10 2011 05:06 GMT
#197
The quality of competitors in Code S and even in Code A is steadily increasing; the games are getting more exciting and the map pool is becoming insanely awesome.. GSL attracts the best players in the world; and now that the regular season has commenced, the elite will surface at the top..

More alternatives on the scene - NASL, MLG etc doesn't mean interests have to be lowered, just split between more options.. GSL was the first epic tournament in terms of players and prizes so it will always remain my top priority
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rS.Sinatra
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada785 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 05:08:30
March 10 2011 05:06 GMT
#198
No, I still like watching GSL. If a new TV show comes out do you lose interest in watching your old TV show? No, you PVR one of them if you wanna watch both.

Opening these threads are stupid. While you're at it, why don't you put a poll on whether or not the new season of Jersey Shore is making you lose interest in GSL, since its airing soon and all.

Here: I did one for you.


Poll: Does the new show Being Human draw you away from GSL?

No, I'll still watch GSL b/c obviously having new shows doesn't mean I can't watch other shows. (4)
 
67%

Yes, I'm mentally incapable to process two different shows, even if aired separately. (2)
 
33%

6 total votes

Your vote: Does the new show Being Human draw you away from GSL?

(Vote): No, I'll still watch GSL b/c obviously having new shows doesn't mean I can't watch other shows.
(Vote): Yes, I'm mentally incapable to process two different shows, even if aired separately.


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Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
March 10 2011 05:07 GMT
#199
No. After being hyped up for IEM and then being 100% completely letdown, still-haven't-seen-the-shitty-games-i-don't-care-about-any more-from-shitty-europeans-and-ace because of how shittily the VODs were handled (and even live), I realize GSL is still the best and all other tournies sound good when they have a shiny TL post but in reality are amateur as fuck.
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
March 10 2011 05:10 GMT
#200
On March 10 2011 13:52 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 13:49 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:29 HolyArrow wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:28 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:18 Zzoram wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:15 jalstar wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:01 Zzoram wrote:
On March 10 2011 13:00 Clare wrote:
One thing I don't get is why are some people ONLY interested in watching the foreigners play? Even if the foreigners aren't as good as the Koreans, they will stop watching when they get knocked out. It makes no sense to me whatsoever... if the best players in the world are playing in the GSL, then I'll continue to watch.


It's the whiteness factor. Many white people want to watch white people win. People rarely admit it, but it's the truth. A lot of the Europeans have mangled English and boring interviews as well, but their whiteness makes them more interesting to many people than a superior Korean player.


Don't BS please, lots of foreigners are of asian descent. It's the fact that we know them from small tournaments that Koreans don't know about, streams, and forum posts, much like Korean fans know the lesser-known Koreans.

Cella is much more widely known than most Koreans of his skill level because he streams, Select isn't white but he's as well or more well known to foreigners than a lot of white players. Using the race card is just so wrong here.


Even in the coverage of GSL qualifiers, Incontrol gets a ton of screen time but Select, who is likely a much better foreigner player, gets almost nothing. Plus when you hear people talk about foreigners in GSL, they always forget guys like Sen and Loner. Why do you think that is?


It's a good point but keep in mind, you're only talking about the English speaking world (that uses TL). Go to a Chinese-speaking forum and there won't be any confusion about whether Sen is a foreigner.


I don't think the fact that people speak English on the forum reduces their capacity to identify who is or is not Korean in any way.


But he's right -- when people talk about the foreign players Sen and Loner rarely come up. Look at the Foreigner Specials on this forum. The Asian foreigners don't get mentioned, for example.


I'm confused. I agree with everything you said there. I was merely taking issue with how you seemed to be saying that the fact that these forums are English forums gives some sort of "excuse" for not recognizing non-Korean asians as foreigners.


I'm probably just not communicating well. The only point I was trying to make was that while on this forum it might seem that Asian foreigners are ignored, to a lot of Chinese fans Loner feels like a 'foreign' player. So it's a bit narrow to say that Loner gets missed as a foreigner because he gets missed here -- not that we should be proud of that fact to the extent that it's true.
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