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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
Most people were just really upset, and complained about her accent, not because of race or because she was a girl, and most people weren't "hateful" about it. Just tired of hearing stuff like "well she left because people harassed her!" or whatever. | ||
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Stylus
United States157 Posts
On March 10 2011 16:14 actionbastrd wrote: This is my first comment on this caster "issue" because i think its kind of lame she is getting shipped home. Granted i dont think she is amazing, but i didnt mind. My issue with this community lately is we hated on her way before her first cast. And it seems if anything or anyone new comes in, its instant hate. Remember when tasteless wasn't the observer anymore? remember how much people raged? Now realize no one has cared or noticed the "bad" observer in a looong time. Things like this blow over, and the change gives us things to complain about without us even giving anything a chance. I just feel like no one gives anything a chance, and use any new change to complain and complain until finally they stop caring later on. I wish this wouldn't happen at every turn. Sad to hear she is going back but excited to see who replaces her. Kelly has been casting for a long time. Saying we were hating her before she had a chance is silly. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On March 10 2011 16:15 LeCastor wrote: I feel sorry for her because moving from your country and returning right away is very harsh. (...snip...) Why is it harsh? I doubt she really moved as she knew that she would return after a month, so she will probably have lived in a hotel for that time. That makes it's more like a vacation - except for the "stressfull casting job" thing, of course. It was an opportunity to visit a foreign country, people you are a fan of (Tasteless, Artosis and probably many of the players) and get a chance to get the job of your dreams. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
That's how retarded people are. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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Helluva
United States651 Posts
On March 10 2011 16:46 WhiteDog wrote: In one or two years everybody will love Kelly just like everybody love Artosis today. That's how retarded people are. Thing is.. a lot of these new and upcoming casters are put to high exptectations because of casters like Day9, djWHEAT, Tasteless and Artosis to name a few. Some people just need to stop being so baised and just give some credit for people like Kelly for wanting to cast games and show love for the game. It's been said multiple times that the StarCraft community has one of the best communities in eSports History. Let's hold that up and keep the love going. <3 | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On March 10 2011 16:38 Stylus wrote: Kelly has been casting for a long time. Saying we were hating her before she had a chance is silly. The stuff she casted before was "normal everyday stuff" and thus people simply had a choice NOT to watch her. That isnt the case anymore when she is cast GSL, which is of "worldwide importance" because there are no other tournaments of this style around to watch alternatively. There simply wasnt any need to criticize her (which is NOT the same as hate) before GSL. I just feel that people with "missing talent" think they are "born for greatness" and that enthusiasm is enough to justify them stepping into the light of the public. Its not ... you need some talent in addition and in her case the talent to pronounce words understandably enough is missing. Being honest to yourself about your own flaws is a good skill to have and we need more of them! Dont apply the same "casting show level of quality" to something long lasting like the GSL. Other casters who have clear and good pronounciation may be equally bad because they are boring to listen to and not at all entertaining. The same bad jokes over and over again are going to be boring in time and I feel that might be a danger for the new caster Doa, because he is adapting the "tasteless Tastosis style" of really cheap jokes. If he had a different style of cheap jokes it would be muuuuchhh better. Kelly also tried to "fit in with Tastosis" and tried to adapt to their style of jokes and that was really noticeable. When the jokes (and other entertaining talk inbetween games) are sounding rehearsed they become stale and boring. Because of this I think the rotation through casters for code A is a good thing and maybe GOM eventually decides to not have permanent casters after all and constantly rotate through all willing candiadates to keep things fresh every season ... if they have enough volunteers to do this. That might actually be a good thing to improve overall quality of Starcraft casting worldwide, because semi-pro-casters get introduced to the professional side. Think of it as a kind of internship. | ||
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
One thing that needs to be taken into account when considering public feedback is what I've heard Blizzard refer to as the "vocal minority." What I mean is that the people that are the loudest in the community don't necessarily represent the opinion of the community as a whole, rather they are just the most angry  . Negative feelings towards something is more likely to lead to a person refuting a cause than positive feelings is to lead a person to support a cause, which is sad, but that's the way it is.Basically what I am trying to say is decisions like this should be made based on their own judgment of her casting from a professional standpoint, rather then based on what they read on internet forums. I have the feeling that GOM is going about this the right way though and I'm glad for that. On March 10 2011 16:56 Helluva wrote: It's been said multiple times that the StarCraft community has one of the best communities in eSports History. Let's hold that up and keep the love going. <3 Sounds good. | ||
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ke_ivan
Singapore374 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199920 As per usual, the vocal community does not represent the entire community. So the fuss is about nothing isn't it? I saw Doa get flak for being too boring, too monotonous, having too little knowledge. Almost the same shit, different caster. You guys who're flaming should just move on. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On March 10 2011 16:56 Helluva wrote: Thing is.. a lot of these new and upcoming casters are put to high exptectations because of casters like Day9, djWHEAT, Tasteless and Artosis to name a few. Some people just need to stop being so baised and just give some credit for people like Kelly for wanting to cast games and show love for the game. It's been said multiple times that the StarCraft community has one of the best communities in eSports History. Let's hold that up and keep the love going. <3 It really annoys me that you white knights just ignore legit complains from people that have a seriously hard time understanding her. Heck one of the 2 times I listened to her(2 games) I had a headache the rest of the day -.- If in 1-2 years, she has less straining voice and is more comprehensible I doubt I'll have any issues with her casting. To me, she did sound like a very nice person and a energetic sc fan, but she still has flaws which make her far from the ideal caster, especially for something people actually are paying to watch. | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
To be fair, I think the Koreans would go insane over the "controversy" if, say, an American, who has Korean as a second language was picked to cast on the only stream available for their GSL. The point is not her being a woman, or Asian for that matter (we are watching Koreans remember.) She is not a bad caster (not great but not bad,) but she does have an annoying voice *My opinion and in no way is this a fact* and people have a right to complain. Though not in the uncouth way netizens seem to be accustomed to. Starcraft is a beautiful ESPORT because it is international and unites us, by way of internet (and sometimes at a LAN.) In a non-malicious way I will have to agree that her voice is irritating. Simply because she has an accent, which she can not fix, so she should not be casting for an English stream. I am not one of those dicks who says "lol I just mute the stream bro" because I leave it on, I give her a chance but I notice on the days she casts, I rely too much on analyzing the game myself and/ or watching the GOM IRC (as opposed to the days Tastetosis are casting and I am hanging on every word,) because I find it too hard to lose myself in the game, which is what I pay for. When I listen to native tongued casters I find my attention not drifting away to the abyss that is IRC with half an eye on the game itself. Maybe I just get distracted too easily but in truth I am not content with her casting the GSL and I am not afraid to give my opinion. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On March 10 2011 17:07 Ordained wrote: To be fair, I think the Koreans would go insane over the "controversy" if, say, an American, who has Korean as a second language was picked to cast on the only stream available for their GSL. The point is not her being a woman, or Asian for that matter (we are watching Koreans remember.) She is not a bad caster (not great but not bad,) but she does have an annoying voice *My opinion and in no way is this a fact* and people have a right to complain. Though not in the uncouth way netizens seem to be accustomed to. Starcraft is a beautiful ESPORT because it is international and unites us, by way of internet (and sometimes at a LAN.) In a non-malicious way I will have to agree that her voice is irritating. Simply because she has an accent, which she can not fix, so she should not be casting for an English stream. I am not one of those dicks who says "lol I just mute the stream bro" because I leave it on, I give her a chance but I notice on the days she casts, I rely too much on analyzing the game myself and/ or watching the GOM IRC (as opposed to the days Tastetosis are casting and I am hanging on every word,) because I find it too hard to lose myself in the game, which is what I pay for. When I listen to native tongued casters I find my attention not drifting away to the abyss that is IRC with half an eye on the game itself. Maybe I just get distracted too easily but in truth I am not content with her casting the GSL and I am not afraid to give my opinion. Just a small clarification here, English is taught at the level of a 1st language over here in Singapore in most schools. Personally, didn't watch the stream much cos BW is still more interesting to me. She does have a pretty strong accent and Americans probably have trouble following. In all fairness there are several accents and not just Asian accents - making fun of her accent could partly be due to her being Asian, unconsciously or not... | ||
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RiceMuncher
Australia138 Posts
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On March 10 2011 17:14 JFKWT wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2011 17:07 Ordained wrote: To be fair, I think the Koreans would go insane over the "controversy" if, say, an American, who has Korean as a second language was picked to cast on the only stream available for their GSL. The point is not her being a woman, or Asian for that matter (we are watching Koreans remember.) She is not a bad caster (not great but not bad,) but she does have an annoying voice *My opinion and in no way is this a fact* and people have a right to complain. Though not in the uncouth way netizens seem to be accustomed to. Starcraft is a beautiful ESPORT because it is international and unites us, by way of internet (and sometimes at a LAN.) In a non-malicious way I will have to agree that her voice is irritating. Simply because she has an accent, which she can not fix, so she should not be casting for an English stream. I am not one of those dicks who says "lol I just mute the stream bro" because I leave it on, I give her a chance but I notice on the days she casts, I rely too much on analyzing the game myself and/ or watching the GOM IRC (as opposed to the days Tastetosis are casting and I am hanging on every word,) because I find it too hard to lose myself in the game, which is what I pay for. When I listen to native tongued casters I find my attention not drifting away to the abyss that is IRC with half an eye on the game itself. Maybe I just get distracted too easily but in truth I am not content with her casting the GSL and I am not afraid to give my opinion. Just a small clarification here, English is taught at the level of a 1st language over here in Singapore in most schools. Personally, didn't watch the stream much cos BW is still more interesting to me. She does have a pretty strong accent and Americans probably have trouble following. In all fairness there are several accents and not just Asian accents - making fun of her accent could partly be due to her being Asian, unconsciously or not... All thick accents are irritating to the ears. If someone was picked to cast the GSL with a southern drawl from Lousiana, USA I would probably be just as upset over it. Thick accents are hard to deal with. I don't care if someone is, white, black, yellow, blue, whatever. I also think one of the main problems with her is just that she isn't Tastetosis. Which is what a lot of people paid for. Sorry if I came off as racist, I just don't think she has the voice for casting. | ||
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nimbim
Germany985 Posts
I think she is not an excellent caster and she definitely lacks the ability to emulate the synergy that has developed between Tasteless+Artosis over years, but to bash her simply because of accent, I cannot relate to that. + Show Spoiler + People who simply voiced their opinion about her in a civil manner excluded. | ||
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Axeinst
Belize281 Posts
He can speak english well enough, deal with it. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
Granted I don't think she is the best caster out there but i was getting used to her voice and commentating and actually started to like her personality. Not every caster needs to have the knowledge of Day[9] or Artosis.. There needs to be some casters that are there also to bring some "fun" to the commentating which I thought Kelly was doing. | ||
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JudasChrist
United States1 Post
PS: If I had my pick for caster for Code A, it'd be SuperDanielMan. That man was awesome, and very funny. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 10 2011 17:28 nimbim wrote: I think it is incredible that her leaving has spawned nearly 40pages about her accent. I have no idea what it is like with foreigners living in the country of every single TL member, but I was honestly shocked by all the harsh comments about ACCENT. I mean, come on, what's the big deal? If English native speakers claim they could not understand her, I simply doubt their language skills, not Kelly's. I think she is not an excellent caster and she definitely lacks the ability to emulate the synergy that has developed between Tasteless+Artosis over years, but to bash her simply because of accent, I cannot relate to that. Please distinguish between those people that actively bashed her for her accent (of those there were plenty), and those that critised her / voiced concerns over her accent in a civil or neutral manner (quite a lot of those as well). | ||
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