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It's not that she's a bad caster, but GOM can do better.
Aside from her accent -- which is thick -- I didn't find her analysis or contribution to the cast to be that insightful or well articulated. And she doesn't have the energy level or creativity to do solid play-by-play or be 'the funny one'.
To be perfectly honest, I like IdrA 's brief stint as a commentator better, simply because he would make keen observations and could communicate them clearly and concisely.
I think they GOM made the right decision. And Team Liquid should get over itself. Her contract isn't being renew because of our criticism, it's because she needs more practice and simply isn't ready for the job.
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Too bad, I liked her as a caster, hopefully when they decide on permanent casters they'll be giving Kelly a call.
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On March 10 2011 11:02 MintBerryCrunch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:45 dxong wrote:
god damn I feel sorry for her, and seriously the community should feel ashamed. There is absolute nothing wrong having an opinion on her, whether it is dislike or like...
but giving her absolute no space to show that she is comitted to her work, wants to improve, her passion for the community and the game itself is just bullshit!
I remember on her first casting on GSL, and 5-10 minutes later someone actually took the liberty to post a thread with a poll on how they liked her casting in GSL! That's not the case at all. It's much like one of those singing or dancing shows where everyone gets a chance to show off their talents, and the judges decide who is the best. It's not how you can improve AFTER you get on the show, it's coming to the show ready to flaunt your stuff. Personally, I'm not entirely sad to see her go.
Judges on dance shows don't send you death threats
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DOA play by play and a Code A foreigners analysis would be great. 4 spots for Code A comes with the requirement to cast.
Congrats to Kelly for getting a job based on sex, but the free ride is over.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 10 2011 11:18 raist wrote:
God some of the people here are just.....
I mean really?? "I paid for the stream I should be able to choose who I want casting games, I don't like her, whaa whaa whaa"
Let me ask most of you.. do you call your cable company if you don't like someone on a show and cry about it??
It's unfortunate that the once great SC community has turned into the WoW community, a bunch of whiners
Bad analogy.
The fact is the best SC tournament in the world should have the best commentators presenting the games. Kelly isn't absolutely horrible but not the caliber caster that should be casting a tournament like this.
The once great SC community? You kidding me? Everyone has voiced their opinions, some may come off as whiny but that's present in every online community.
Calm down.
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On March 10 2011 11:18 raist wrote:
God some of the people here are just.....
I mean really?? "I paid for the stream I should be able to choose who I want casting games, I don't like her, whaa whaa whaa"
Let me ask most of you.. do you call your cable company if you don't like someone on a show and cry about it??
It's unfortunate that the once great SC community has turned into the WoW community, a bunch of whiners
No they would call the company that produced the show and I can assure that happens plenty, people give feedback on things they pay for whether that be a show on tv or the gsl. They have every right to give feedback too.
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i hate how she blames it on accent. Its more she says the most dumbest assumptions of whts actually happening in the game like ohh zerg takes 3 off geyser he's going to ling all in........ why wht and u play zerg.... really...
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On March 10 2011 10:29 Stuv wrote:
Ohh man, seems like a lot of you guys have not worked in a business industry yet,
Brace yourself if you think this is immature and unpolite lol.
Haha.
Our department had to hire a temp to do some rudimentary brute-force Excel work, and she turned out to be a nice enough girl but had sub-par software skills. After a week I told my boss my concerns and he said, and I quote:
"Why didn't you tell me earlier? We'll just send her back and get a new one."
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On March 10 2011 11:06 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:34 Selith wrote:
Kelly's accent / pronunciation is understandable for the most part (even "funny" pronunciation of words are clearly understandable), but when she gets excited, I can't understand what she is saying. It all sounds like a blur, if you know what I mean. If she can fix that, then there isn't really much left to do other than to develop 'caster sense', if you will, of SC2. I agree. Some people are being way to hard on her. She went to Korea and gave it her all. Good for her, I don't see why people are being they way they are. People should be kind and supportive, tell her what she can do to improve instead of being harsh.
What? This is not community service. She's getting paid to do her job and we are paying to watch her. If she was a progamer who went to korea to 'give it her all' sure we should be kind and supportive but this happens to be a service we are paying for. Her poor commentary has prevented me from enjoying something that greatly interests me and that is why I am the way I am...
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Kelly was a wonderful caster! She had so much enthusiasm that I would get excited when she did. I want to be drawn in and taken for a ride when I'm watching sports. She was very good at this. She also filled the dead-air very well. There weren't many akward silences, and that takes real skill. I'll miss her, and I hope the 'merciless' out there don't need any mercy themselves. Will they get it? They'll want it when they need it.
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Not trying to sound mean/sexist/prejudiced here, but one thing annoyed the heck out of me - and it's a thing female korean casters have adressed in their own thoughts about "Casting StarCraft as a game", heck, casting any kinda game:
When stuff gets intense, men can just raise their voices a bit and you immediately know shit is going down and it's intense. When a woman does the same, it sounds hysteric.
It's almost 3:40am here and I cba to find the interview right now, it was the translated interview of females in the korean SC pro scene which included a caster, the coach of Samsung Khan etc.
Women raised the point, I'm just repeating it because Kelly did exactly that which women know to be one of their weak points.
Anyways, she won't be gone from the SC scene. She had her chance, everybody formed an opinion about her, now's somebody else's chances coming up to present her/him/itself to the viewers. Open your minds, don't just pick anything/body over Kelly simply because "It's not Kelly" - that's just plain retarded and not logical. 
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Her accent was so charming. Kinda like SuperDanielMan. Just a couple of games and you could understand everything she said.
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On March 10 2011 11:23 TributeBoxer wrote:
Congrats to Kelly for getting a job based on sex, but the free ride is over.
This post speaks to the latent sexism that explains a big chunk of the anti-Kelly hate fest.
No, I'm not saying that Kelly haters are all sexist, but it speaks poorly of the community how often posts like this pop up.
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On March 10 2011 11:27 Cathasaigh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 11:18 raist wrote:
God some of the people here are just.....
I mean really?? "I paid for the stream I should be able to choose who I want casting games, I don't like her, whaa whaa whaa"
Let me ask most of you.. do you call your cable company if you don't like someone on a show and cry about it??
It's unfortunate that the once great SC community has turned into the WoW community, a bunch of whiners
No they would call the company that produced the show and I can assure that happens plenty, people give feedback on things they pay for whether that be a show on tv or the gsl. They have every right to give feedback too.
Better analogy:
You have a season ticket for your local football (soccer) club. If a player/trainer is not meeting the requirements (bad decisions, no "fire", just not fit for the job) for a long time do you participate in the stadium wide chants demanding their substitution/dismissal?
On March 10 2011 11:06 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:34 Selith wrote:
Kelly's accent / pronunciation is understandable for the most part (even "funny" pronunciation of words are clearly understandable), but when she gets excited, I can't understand what she is saying. It all sounds like a blur, if you know what I mean. If she can fix that, then there isn't really much left to do other than to develop 'caster sense', if you will, of SC2. I agree. Some people are being way to hard on her. She went to Korea and gave it her all. Good for her, I don't see why people are being they way they are. People should be kind and supportive, tell her what she can do to improve instead of being harsh.
According to her (if that scanned article is the truth) she doesnt need to improve at all. It's just that people hate her for being asian & female. So how can we help her?
Kinda reminds me of all the LR / SC2 strategy threads.
"Player X (my opponent) wasnt better. His race is overpowered / he used an allin strat. It's not my fault / I'm without error"
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On March 10 2011 11:12 Azzur wrote:
Wow, 32 pages - it shows that a lot of people have an opinion (whether good or bad) about her. I for one am sad that she's leaving. I think her casting with Artosis or Tasteless was pretty good but didn't think it worked out that well with Doa because they are both play-by-play casters. Even though Tasteless is more a play-by-play his analytical casting is decent.
The reality is, she was okay with Artosis and Tasteless because in both cases they were doing the heavy lifting -- both the casting and play-by-play.
I remember a moment in-between games, and Artosis was trying to fill time the best he could. He was wrapping up a point, and looking at Kelly hoping that she would say something, create a dialogue and basically, engage in conversation. But Kelly literally was staring at her screen and had zoned out.
Artosis is so good he basically had a conversation with himself for three minutes. But that's a lot of strain to put on your casting partner.
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Feedback is feedback. I mean, if everyone watered down their opinions, the message wouldn't be as strong. Clearly if a number of people are upset with the new caster, something should be done. You're paying for entertainment and its only sensible that the producers respond to the feedback accordingly. And 90% of the time, the viewers know what they want. Its what makes their program better. Nobody gives a crap about being immature. Its nothing personal, its just show business.
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On March 10 2011 07:47 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 07:24 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:On March 10 2011 06:46 Chill wrote:On March 10 2011 06:44 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:People saying Kelly's accent sucks and that's why nobody likes her How many people complained about SDM? Some, but not as many as complained about Kelly. Sure, SDM was quite knowledgeable but honestly so is Kelly. A double-standard is at work. SDM is so unbelievably much more knowledgeable than Kelly that using that as your basis for a double-standard is laughable. The basis for the double standard is that people didn't complain about SDMs accent or having to mute him. Obviously he knew more about BW than Kelly does about SC2, but she still knows quite a lot. Numerous people actually DID complain about his accent and rough/sharp voice and style of speech. Were you even around back then, reading and posting on LR threads?
Yes, I started following pro BW about halfway through the second GOM Classic, right about when SDM started if memory serves. I used to watch VODs while I weighed plants for work and I read the comments, though I wasn't active on TL as a poster and my memory is weak in general.
I honestly believe that some (but not all) of the people complaining about Kelly wouldn't complain the same way if she were a man. I think some people are fitting her into a shrill-voiced-Asian-woman schema and dismissing her. This sort of stuff happens all the time and 98% of the time the people doing it aren't aware of it. I've had my eye opened to this sort of thing and now it's quite noticeable.
I think it's perfectly legitimate to have issues with Kelly's casting but I think SDM is a good example of how a person with strong game knowledge can overcome those issues and still be a good caster. Of course people made comments about SDM, but unless I'm remembering wrong I don't think there were as many or that they were as far off-base as the ones about Kelly. Never would I claim that she's in his league knowledge-wise, but she makes mostly good calls and she can read a build order, she makes almost as many positive analytical contributions as tasteless, and she's certainly more knowledgeable than Doa. That said if I were doing the hiring I don't think she'd be my top pick.
I also think that it's good of GOM to make an effort to hire female casters. They've got a female Korean caster, there was Susie, and they've given Kelly a shot. Having good female casters is good for esports.
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On March 10 2011 11:16 Goobus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 11:03 EnderPR wrote:Here is my take. I think it is safe to say that the model casting duo should be tastosis: one caster and one deep analysis commentator. Doa and Kelly are not deep analysis commentators, they are both casters. I would consider commentators to be like Artosis, incontrol, and Idra among others. Example of casters would be HDStarcraft and HuskyStarcraft (Unless that has changed since I last watched several months ago). So the result, is that their duo doesn't work because they lack deep analysis. Yes, they do have basica analysis, but beyond that it gets sketchy. This means that you basically have two casters. Between these two casters I think that Doa does a far better job. Accents aside, since I am not concerned with that, Doa does a better job at being professional and looking/sounding good on stage. To make the casting work, one of them has to go and I think it is pretty clear that whether it was to give someone else a shot or some other reason, Kelly was the one that had to go for at least now. Doa doing a better job not to mention the not insubstantial number of viewers that have trouble understanding Kelly making that decision easier. We may see Kelly again, but I would only support her as a caster if her analysis became deep enough which it is not right now. Poor analysis examples from last night's matches (contains spoiler): + Show Spoiler +In the ZvZ they never addressed the two drone descrepency at the beggining of the game. Then somewhere through the game Kelly said that it was because Losira was making so many drones. It was partially due to that but also becuase of the 2 drone discrep. and the ling counter attack when Leenock was out of position. I can find more example but will leave it at that for now Interesting how you mention the drone discrepancy on yesterday's ZvZ. This drone discrepancy was because Losira skipped his second queen at his nat, opting to get some extra drones and lings instead.
Interesting, I didn't notice that during the match, will have to rewatch VOD. That is the kind of cool stuff though that I want to hear from "analysis" casters.
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On March 10 2011 11:38 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 11:27 Cathasaigh wrote:On March 10 2011 11:18 raist wrote:
God some of the people here are just.....
I mean really?? "I paid for the stream I should be able to choose who I want casting games, I don't like her, whaa whaa whaa"
Let me ask most of you.. do you call your cable company if you don't like someone on a show and cry about it??
It's unfortunate that the once great SC community has turned into the WoW community, a bunch of whiners
No they would call the company that produced the show and I can assure that happens plenty, people give feedback on things they pay for whether that be a show on tv or the gsl. They have every right to give feedback too. Better analogy: You have a season ticket for your local football (soccer) club. If a player/trainer is not meeting the requirements (bad decisions, no "fire", just not fit for the job) for a long time do you participate in the stadium wide chants demanding their substitution/dismissal?
How is that a better analogy? A player not meeting the requirements would be the equivalence of a player in the gsl being terrible but somehow getting in anyways and a trainer doesn't really have an equivalent person in sc2 except maybe a practice partner. The only sports analogy that makes any sense is if there is a terrible announcer in which case people have complained in past instances and will continue to complain in the future when the announcer is terrible.
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On March 10 2011 11:18 raist wrote:
Let me ask most of you.. do you call your cable company if you don't like someone on a show and cry about it??
Nope, I call up and cancel my account.
To be fair, I liked Kelly. When she was playing 3s with cella and destiny she was personable and fun to listen to. However, that is a much more casual and slow paced environment. When she talks fast it becomes exponentially harder to understand.
On the other hand, I watched Code A on mute.
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