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jester-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada547 Posts
March 09 2011 22:00 GMT
#381
I can't say that I'm sad to see her go, but I was getting used to her and it was kinda nice not having to stare at 2 dudes the entire time. Like someone else mentioned though, she didn't really jive with Doa's jokes (Collawsome was pure gold).
Arise, chicken sandwich.
dogmeatstew
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada574 Posts
March 09 2011 22:01 GMT
#382
On March 10 2011 05:57 Gentso wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:56 dogmeatstew wrote:
Pretty sure half the people here would complain if GOM hired a british caster because "he has an accent"...

Seriously.


You're completely out of whack. Generally, people enjoy British accents. But what's that have to do with anything?


Sure people like British accents so maybe not the best example, however my point is that historically English is not "America's language" so the fact that the population of that country expects the rest of the world to form their dialect of English to match perfectly to the developed American *accent* is completely ridiculous.

I have a Canadian accent, most people on this site have an American accent, a large portion have any mix of European accents etc. The point here is that its arrogant and self centred to expect other cultures to conform to you way of speaking (especially when its a borrowed language anyway, in a sense) and that basing someone's desirability as a caster on whether you can understand them as a product of how close their speech patterns are to the American dialect is absurd; especially without giving yourself a chance to adjust to hearing the accent and making better sense of it with less effort over time.

tl;dr my point is that this thread is full of a bunch of ethnocentric whiners who refuse to adjust to anything that isn't what they already know.
Eeeegor
Profile Joined April 2005
Australia809 Posts
March 09 2011 22:01 GMT
#383
Well I'm glad we'll get to see how somemore casters go - being shown a variety is always a good thing
Day9 Made Me Do It
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
March 09 2011 22:03 GMT
#384
Anyone know why there's no Asian male casters? Seems kind of strange that it's all white males and the only asian is a girl with a heavy accent from Singapore. Even before Kelly there was only lil.susie.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
March 09 2011 22:04 GMT
#385
I'm going to be really annoyed if she had to leave because the community acted like a toddler because a girl with an unfamiliar accent was casting
naked
Profile Joined November 2010
United States39 Posts
March 09 2011 22:04 GMT
#386
Was she the worst? No. Am I glad she's gone, and are there good alternatives? Yes and yes.

Why should we suffer through her development? GOM affirmative action program?
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 09 2011 22:04 GMT
#387
On March 10 2011 07:03 buickskylark wrote:
Anyone know why there's no Asian male casters? Seems kind of strange that it's all white males and the only asian is a girl with a heavy accent from Singapore. Even before Kelly there was only lil.susie.



Are you forgetting about SDM?
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 22:06:18
March 09 2011 22:04 GMT
#388
On March 10 2011 07:03 buickskylark wrote:
Anyone know why there's no Asian male casters? Seems kind of strange that it's all white males and the only asian is a girl with a heavy accent from Singapore. Even before Kelly there was only lil.susie.

There are Asian male casters. HDStarcraft comes to mind. Oh and of course, SDM. Yeah and those are just of the major, famous casters I know.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 09 2011 22:05 GMT
#389
On March 10 2011 07:04 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 07:03 buickskylark wrote:
Anyone know why there's no Asian male casters? Seems kind of strange that it's all white males and the only asian is a girl with a heavy accent from Singapore. Even before Kelly there was only lil.susie.

There are Asian male casters. HDStarcraft comes to mind. Oh and of course, SDM. Yeah and those are just of the major, famous casters.

Gunrun?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
March 09 2011 22:05 GMT
#390
On March 10 2011 07:03 buickskylark wrote:
Anyone know why there's no Asian male casters? Seems kind of strange that it's all white males and the only asian is a girl with a heavy accent from Singapore. Even before Kelly there was only lil.susie.


They're out there, HD is asian.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
SKtheAnathema
Profile Joined September 2010
United States885 Posts
March 09 2011 22:06 GMT
#391
it's more that english is obviously her second language. a british or australian person's primary language is english, and is generally a lot easier to understand (or tolerate). has nothing with the person not sounding american or that they should sound like us. they just need to be easy to understand and the voice has to be enjoyable to listen to. i find thick asian accents are not enjoyable to listen to. and i'm viet
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
March 09 2011 22:06 GMT
#392
Cant say I'm not happy about this. Didn't really like her from the start. I will agree that she did get better, but just from a confidence stand point. I think she may be able to improve outside of the GSL and maybe one day be able to cast such a high tournament as the GSL once she's had a lot more experience in lesser tournaments.

Good Luck to you Kelly, I only hope for good things for you!
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Niten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States598 Posts
March 09 2011 22:07 GMT
#393
I actually really liked Kelly. I know that wasn't everyone's reactions, but she had a lot of character and I enjoyed her casting.

I wish her well in all her future endeavors and hope to enjoy her casting again.
Korra: "Ok, I know that I'm not good at emotions, but that's what Tenzin's gonna teach me, right? He's gonna teach me to be happy and gentle and spiritual, and the rest of that bullsh**t."
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
March 09 2011 22:07 GMT
#394
On March 10 2011 06:47 Sensator wrote:
I liked Kelly, she knew her shit.


she knew zerg, and nothing else
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 22:06:33
March 09 2011 22:08 GMT
#395
On March 10 2011 05:37 Chill wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:36 JWD wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:34 Chill wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:28 JWD wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:26 Chill wrote:
Okay, so my new theory is:

1. GOM selected DoA and Moletrap to be casters.
2. They couldn't make it immediately because of real life; Kelly could.
3. They hired Kelly immediately, made up this story about trials.
4. Moletrap scheduled to come, they said trial over.

Maybe not true, but at least I can justify the logic in my head as opposed to the current things GOM are saying.

You don't think they hired Kelly indefinitely, but backed off and brought Moletrap in once the community blew up over it? And are now using the bit about trial casters to make Kelly's departure look better for both GOM and Kelly?

It's certainly possible and does make more sense. I'm modifying the theory!

GOM Evil Theory rev. 2.1:
1. GOM puts out a call for casters and reviews all applicants
2. GOM focuses on availability moreso than ability.
3. Kelly is the most available and is hired immediately and openly.
4. DoA is also hired but requires a month due to real life.
5. Kelly has largely negative feedback.
6. GOM announces the "trial" and contacts Moletrap.
7. Moletrap announces he will go to Korea.
8. The trial period ends.

What do you think? BTW I've been playing a lot of Phoenix Wright hahaha.

Yep, I like that theory very much. It's the simplest one that explains everything I know about the situation (is consistent with the statements from GOM and Kelly I've read).

Also talks with GOM seem to favour the theory of point #2.


Timeline points to:

16th Feb: Kelly announces herself as caster on her twitter
21st Feb: GSL Code A starts and Kelly casts her first game
21st Feb: Moletrap posts a Youtube video saying he is going to Korea on a TRIAL for 2~3 weeks.
24th Feb: Kelly says she's leaving Korea on 17th March.
9th March: Conspiracy theories that Kelly was never on a trial and the whole trial thing is a lie. GOM made it up over the course of 5 days before Kelly had actually casted anything and ensured Moletrap released a carefully worded Youtube video including a time period and the word trial in order to cover up their mistake of inviting Kelly to cast.
HOLY CHECK!
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
March 09 2011 22:08 GMT
#396
oh, good thing the mod edits were here... lol
I'm like badass squared | KeitZer.489
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
March 09 2011 22:09 GMT
#397
It's really unfortunate that, for all of the skilled gamers that I'm sure are present here (and for all the people who aren't, but like to think they are), very few of us are capable of the simple act of reading.
The OP clearly states that GOM and Kelly knew before the announcement was even made that she would be a caster, that she would be casting for only this season, and then her contract would end. This isn't an issue of "Oh no, we were so awful towards her, and now she got fired because of it". It's an simple issue of GOM giving auditions to other people before making a permanent decision. The entire "haters vs whiteknights" battle was played out over a month ago, and it's frustrating to see this pop up again, especially over something as obvious as this.
I think that it was clear that she isn't a "perfect fit" as a GSL caster for english-speaking streams. I can see that (a perfect fit) as the only cause of someone getting insta-hired as a semi-permanent fixture (like Tasteless did back for his first gig at that WCG). So please, let's all drop this pity party act, as this is actually a good thing. Either they'll find someone who is a better fit (which is a win), or they won't, and she'll have proven herself as the best applicant and be hired on in a fair process, then no one will have any ground to stand on if they want to complain about Kelly casting (also a win).
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
March 09 2011 22:09 GMT
#398
I like Kelly, hope they bring her on permanently after they try out the other candidates.

Good analysis, good jokes, brought some personality to the table.
dogmeatstew
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada574 Posts
March 09 2011 22:09 GMT
#399
On March 10 2011 07:06 SKtheAnathema wrote:
it's more that english is obviously her second language. a british or australian person's primary language is english, and is generally a lot easier to understand (or tolerate). has nothing with the person not sounding american or that they should sound like us. they just need to be easy to understand and the voice has to be enjoyable to listen to. i find thick asian accents are not enjoyable to listen to. and i'm viet


I'm not trying to say that as harshly as it came off, I was more making a bit of a hyperbolic point.

Mostly I just think that accents take time to adjust to and that with the quantity of speaking done in GSL, the now I can understand her just fine though I'll admit to having needed to concentrate more to understand her at first.

Hell, last time I visited England I spent a week in Liverpool and couldn't understand half of what was said to me for the first 3 days, but you brain catches on...
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 09 2011 22:10 GMT
#400
On March 10 2011 07:05 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 07:04 JWD wrote:
On March 10 2011 07:03 buickskylark wrote:
Anyone know why there's no Asian male casters? Seems kind of strange that it's all white males and the only asian is a girl with a heavy accent from Singapore. Even before Kelly there was only lil.susie.

There are Asian male casters. HDStarcraft comes to mind. Oh and of course, SDM. Yeah and those are just of the major, famous casters.

Gunrun?

Gunrun is awesome. Coming from the C&C community, I had tons of fun with his C&C Generals: Retarded and his Red Alert 3: Red Cocaine mods.

Trump and Gretorp are also well known Asians in the SC2 community.
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