EPTOn February 27 2011 08:34 darksidemoon wrote:
Hey guys take a look at this
FG is not the same anymore?
Hey guys take a look at this
FG is not the same anymore?
Wow, I was not aware that the missile for the new FG was that slow...
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Hobokinz
United States126 Posts
Wow, I was not aware that the missile for the new FG was that slow... | ||
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Ancient.eu
Romania621 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:39 squintz wrote: I would also like to see 2 ghosts morph into a spectre. That would justify archons. Don't be silly, people do no morph. Unless they are gay. Do you want to have gay ghosts ? User was warned for this post | ||
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dark fury
Sweden426 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:39 hidiliho wrote: Then warp in stalkers... I don't see what the problem is. My point is that you don't need HTs to handle late game drops. so you are just blindly assuming that every protoss has 10 warpgates off cooldowns all the time? because thats how many stalker/zealots you need to kill 8 marauders with medievac support. stop the trollin mr terran fanboy | ||
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TwoMagTrav
United States195 Posts
On February 27 2011 07:43 CosmicSpiral wrote: I'm not a fan of the fungal growth changes. Bonus damage against armored units is nice, and increased DPS would be usually taken as a buff. However, Fungal Growth is not Storm or EMP. It dealt relatively low damage in exchange for crowd control and positioning. In that sense the insta-cast nature was essential since FG was most effective against mobile units (bioball with stim, medivac drops, banshees, blink stalkers, lings with speed, banelings with speed, etc.). You use FG to set up Baneling pushes, get surrounds on the Protoss army, prevent drops from occurring. Now we have a FG with 9 DPS and +10.8 against armored, and the very units one would want to use FG against can dodge it with relative ease. The bias towards the Infestor is positively palpable. I agree. Everyone was used to the CC aspect of FG. It was the only way Zerg had to try to get into a position. Toss had FF to make them in the best position instantly and Terran had stim to bail when needed. Positioning was the hardest thing to deal with as Zerg and its also the easiest way to lose your entire fragile army. Making the FG a projectile is as huge of a nerf as if they make FFs a projectile with that kinda delay. IMHO. Maybe the increased DPS will help kill marines. I'm just a top diamond player but I find it almost impossible to kill marines OFF creep. Now on creep they melt but off creep they stim and kite pretty much every unit you can make, which is why the instant cast and the duration stun was so huge. I'd have to try it out because if it gives you a way to kill marines off creep I'm in. Otherwise with the infested terran is not worth it at all and parasite was OP now its almost useless because of the duration being so short and you have to research it and colo and tanks out range the infestor. I don't see many infestors getting made anytime soon and I dislike changing the role from a CC type caster to a weak version of storm/stun mix. | ||
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Fenrisulf
United States325 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:36 hidiliho wrote: Why waste an EMP on 20 shield Probes. When you can just kill it just as fast. If medivacs get feedback/sniped by stalkers.. thats a lot of gas units wasted. Why would you warp in templars to handle a drop when Zealots with charge will do. ???? what? the EMP is for the HTs that are being warped in to storm. Good control of the medivac means that you pull back if there are stalkers waiting, otherwise no way to snipe with stalkers except by a huge amount (like most of their stalker army) and even then its hard to do it without blink unless you move in the wrong direction. Chargelots cant do anything against stimmed MM healed by a medivac in a tight ball behind a mineral line =/ | ||
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krok(obs)
Germany264 Posts
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DasHawk
Denmark362 Posts
Damn the missile really looks to be too slow, its all fine and good - that it requires some micro skill to use the ability. But infesters were actualy quite hard to use in the first place, just see how few pro's use them. Hopefully they will buff the missile speed, but lets see how it works. Im kinda excited to see which changes makes the next patch and how it will affect the game, at least they are trying SOMETHING  | ||
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ihavetofartosis
1277 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:34 darksidemoon wrote: Hey guys take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoysr9JKuaE&feature=player_embedded FG is not the same anymore? What a joke. I doubt we'll ever see zergs waste gas on infestors after this goes live. Tons of gas for the "chance" to fungal units, relying completely on the opposing player's lack of micro. Apparently Blizzard thinks that the entire zerg army's chance of success should be based off of the other players mistakes, or lack of mistakes. Absolutely ridiculous. Blizzard is well on their way to nerfing this game into a 1-strategy-per-race borefest. They are going to kill SC2 as a spectator sport. | ||
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hidiliho
Canada685 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:40 dark fury wrote: so you are just blindly assuming that every protoss has 10 warpgates off cooldowns all the time? because thats how many stalker/zealots you need to kill 8 marauders with medievac support. stop the trollin mr terran fanboy So you think HTs are the way to go to handle late game drops? | ||
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
Ill answer, they cant, MMM RAPES gatewayunits. How is that fair, that the toss will autoloose if the terran gets off 2 good emps. Im myself a lower master league player, and lets face it, the good terran will hit with thoose emps, and to make sure, they will have 5 ghosts, cause if templars gets hit its GG. Collosus is now the "safe" choice, cause you will not instaloose if you get hit by 2 good emps, which is why we wont see templars now. This is the worst change,,,,,,,,,ever,,, by far. | ||
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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
On February 27 2011 06:11 Roxy wrote: i play protoss i am not happy i don't want to get banned, so i'm not going to give my opinion let me ask this though. if we get 3 medivacs worth of units dropping marauders in our base and we only have 10 gateways... how are we going to stop them before they take out a substnacial amount of our pylons? we wont.. they will tear shit up and run away before losing any units you prepare and pull part of your main army, if it's needed. That's how T and Z deal with drops. Can't believe P whines about drop play, lol. | ||
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dark fury
Sweden426 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:45 hidiliho wrote: So you think HTs are the way to go to handle late game drops? i just think that the HT nerf was stupid and un-justified in general. most players where bored about the colossus-centred play already and this is just going to make things worse. also, terran already won 56% of the games against protoss in master league, seems like blizzard wants to make that gap even bigger? as some people pointed out already, if this goes live it will literary make templar tech unviable because 1-2 good EMPs will make you lose the game instantly. | ||
JDeathmetal
Netherlands81 Posts
Removed kalduran amulet..... GJ terran fanboys you got trough to blizzard. Just epic | ||
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hidiliho
Canada685 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:47 dark fury wrote: i just think that the HT nerf was stupid and un-justified in general. most players where bored about the colossus-centred play already and this is just going to make things worse. also, terran already won 56% of the games against protoss in master league, seems like blizzard wants to make that gap even bigger? So you were just arguing for the sake of arguing. Because there was NO argument for or against HT nerfs/Amulet in that whole conversation. The guy asked an honest question and I responded. Sigh. what has TL become. | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
Hell, they could have done something else to zerg, like...I dunno, Made the crackling upgrade actually USEFUL? Buff the ultralisk (Without any nerfs whatsoever) reduce the time it takes to morph a greater spire? It just seems like theres so many other places blizzard needs to change zerg that its frustrating that they decide to nerf a unit into the ground like this. Absolute nonsense. | ||
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HairyProboscis
Canada63 Posts
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dark fury
Sweden426 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:50 hidiliho wrote: So you were just arguing for the sake of arguing. Because there was NO argument for or against HT nerfs/Amulet in that whole conversation. The guy asked an honest question and I responded. Sigh. what has TL become. the point is that protoss needs templar with amulet to counter lategame drops from terran. Marauders just rape gateway units and you know that. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On February 26 2011 09:56 tsuxiit wrote:PROTOSS Mothership - Units leaving the Mothership's Vortex are now un-targetable and immune to damage for 1.5 seconds. High Templar - Khaydarin Amulet upgrade (+25 starting energy) has been removed. ZERG Fungal Growth - Damage increased by +30% vs. armored units. - Now fires a missile instead of being instant cast. No, No, No, No - These are bad changes and don't get me started on loss of Viking flower It's like Blizzard is intent on sucking the fun out of SC. Are viking flowers cool and fun to watch -- get rid of them Are archon toilets amazing -- get rid of them Are HTs getting in the way of P having to use Colossi in every matchup -- get rid of them Are investors zerg's only positional control units -- get rid of them | ||
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Immutant
Singapore201 Posts
On February 27 2011 08:34 darksidemoon wrote: Hey guys take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoysr9JKuaE&feature=player_embedded FG is not the same anymore? What a joke video; as if any competent zerg would field only infestors against MMM. You might as well make a video of 5 ghosts vs a Stalker Collosus ball and QQ about how useless EMP is. What I would like to see is a proper diamond/masters zerg replay before making judgments about how nerfed/buffed infestors have become. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
Zerg probably needs some other buff for another unit though *cough hydra cough* | ||
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