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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:22 halvorg wrote: MLG is keeping the rule because they like it and its used in halo, doubt anyone can change their mind. Used to Halo? you do know they changed both Halo and SC2 formats from last year right... This is a new format for both games on the circuit. | ||
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:28 zaii wrote: Used to Halo? you do know they changed both Halo and SC2 formats from last year right... This is a new format for both games on the circuit. Are you saying extended series is a new format for both games? This whole string of quotes has been about extended series. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:18 zaii wrote: I said brings out the best in players. Read it again. Coming back from a 0-3 deficit and winning didn't bring out the best in Axlav? I don't know if him being in a 0-3 deficit was why Axlav performed or not, but it was certainly not because of a certain rule  . As I explained in my earlier post extended series in combination with double elimination gives inconsistent and overbalanced advantage to some players. If you want people people to be able to come back from a 0-3 deficit, randomly picking some matches as bo5 is more fair than using the extended series rule <3 | ||
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theherder2
United States538 Posts
I'm gonna use iNcontroL just as an example for ease of imagination. So would Day 1, group A look like: jinro vs huk, Machine vs Slush, Jinro vs Machine, huk vs Slush, Machine vs huk, Slush vs Jinro. (3 Bo3s per player) Hypothetical Open: iNcontroL wins 256 -> 128 -> 64 -> 32 -> 16 -> 8 -> 4 to qualify (6 Bo3s) Day 2 Group A: iNcontrol v jinro, incontroL v Huk, iNcontroL v Slush, iNcontroL v Machine (4 Bo3s) for iNcontroL (1 Bo3) for seeded players. Day 3 Championship Bracket? 16 -> 8 -> 4-> 2-> 1 Winner (4 Bo3s to win) Any seeded/open player can potentially be 5th and start in Ro16, so max potential 4 Bo3s. TOTAL Bo3s: Seeded players: Up to 8 Bo3s TOTAL Bo3s: Open Winner: Up to 14 Bo3s Logistically, Day 2 wouldn't make sense in this situation, because incontrol would be in such a disadvantageous situation having to endure 4 tough matches. There is a very big difference in games played between Open and Seeded players. This is what I gathered from the posts I've read so far but I may be wrong about the timing of the matches and if pool play will finish with seeded players on the first day. While i'm still thinking hypothetically, being in the top 8 of the lower open bracket means that... Day 1: 256 -> 128 -> 64 -> 32 -> 16 -> 8 (Loss) which is (5 Bo3s) Day 2: No games? Waiting for pool play? Day 3: 32 -> 16 -> 8 -> 4 -> 2 -> winner (5 Bo3s to win) TOTAL Open Winner (top4) = 14 Bo3s potentially to win TOTAL Open Qualifier (5-12) = 10 Bo3s potentially to win Does that make sense? Yes the Open Winners get a chance to improve their seed by playing in the pools with the top players, but thats just it they're top players and the Open winners are already at a disadvantage in an endurance standpoint. If i'm wrong about anything don't hesitate to point this out because I've been thinking about this a lot and there may be a lot i'm missing. TL;DR - There is a huge timing issue in having to play a open bracket and THEN playing in a pool of stacked people as a reward for seeding. Endurancewise it is a huge disadvantage. Also, although there is a reward of improved seeding but potentially the top 4 Open qualifiers need to play 14 Bo3s to win the championship, whereas the 5-12 ranked Open qualifiers will only need to play 10 Bo3s to win the championship. =\ | ||
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:32 halvorg wrote: Are you saying extended series is a new format for both games? This whole string of quotes has been about extended series. According to Lee, Extended series didn't come from Halo, It came from Counter Strike. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:35 Ultramus wrote: Not that Axslav isn't a beast but it was Inka who beat Fenix at MLG dallas ^^; thx for the correction. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4759 Posts
What's really good is that the four undefeated players of the Open-Tournament start on equal footing as the Top16 (besides having to play way more games, which obviously will be harder), so you can make your own luck as an Open-Tournament player. On the other side, it is obvious that from the 12players who dropped one series in the Open-tournament, noone will ever win the tournament (going through several rounds against seeded players in a row, having only one life plus the threat of running into an Extended-series, never gonna happen). Since the format for those players is still more forgiving than a Single-Elimination would be, they probably won't have a reason to complain though, just collect as many points as possible. I imagine it will be kinda hard to rise in rankings to get into the Top16, but we probably can only judge this after several events have been played out. Extended series is still completely messed up though. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Thankfully there will be NASL and TSL to watch, I just see this system favoring the seeded players way too heavily. Maybe it won't be the case and playing all those games won't fatigue the open players, but I just see it happening. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
It should bring high level matches at every turn. As for extended series, been there done that, not game breaking in any way. | ||
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Kazang
578 Posts
On February 26 2011 19:28 dacthehork wrote: all I can say is Thankfully there will be NASL and TSL to watch, I just see this system favoring the seeded players way too heavily. Maybe it won't be the case and playing all those games won't fatigue the open players, but I just see it happening. Yes because I too enjoy seeing some random player marine scv rush every game to get a cheesy route to the late stages of the tournament. Screw these proven high level and consistently good players playing off against each other in the most competitive NA tournament to date, fuck that shit. Who would want to watch that? ActionJesus 4evar! | ||
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FIRETRUCK
Sweden78 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On February 26 2011 16:41 zaii wrote: also take note that on the next tournament the player is gonna lose some of his points which will affect his placement. MLG will be having lan centers do mini MLG tournaments where ppl can gain points to get a better seeding/placing. So no top 16 players aren't gonna stay in there forever. That's not guaranteed yet its just an idea they had. Once again this isn't halo, the top 10 teams in the world will rarely ever lose to an underdog. In the end there are roughly 8-10 teams that ever have a chance at winning an MLG in halo. In starcraft 2, upsets happen due to matchups build orders and maps, its why even the best players on ladder have a 57% win rate. Put that in MLG it means that there are 20-30 people that you could sya "hey, that guy has a chance at making finals". MLG's too bent on the idea that their system is perfect and works for all games, its a system that works for xbox and FPS on consoles but NOT for starcraft 2. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On February 26 2011 20:02 ZlaSHeR wrote: That's not guaranteed yet its just an idea they had. Registered Players will be seeded for each Event using the following criteria in this order: Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Rank Points*, Starcraft 2 LAN Center Rank Points**, and Starcraft 2 Online Qualifier Rank Points. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/16#event_33_competition_format | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 26 2011 19:55 Kazang wrote: Yes because I too enjoy seeing some random player marine scv rush every game to get a cheesy route to the late stages of the tournament. Screw these proven high level and consistently good players playing off against each other in the most competitive NA tournament to date, fuck that shit. Who would want to watch that? ActionJesus 4evar! Erm the MLG system will actually mean that much less top players from abroad will come to MLGs, becaus they are at a huge disadvanage. I kind of understand that they want to see a majority of local players in these tourneys, but to claim that the MLG system will mean better players skill-wise is absurd. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On February 26 2011 20:15 zaii wrote: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/16#event_33_competition_format So whoever is an above average player that can make it to/travel to the most lan centers, therefore accumulating points, can then pass potentially much better players and maybe even get into the top 16, meaning there will be even MORE pros who hvae to fight through the open bracket. interesting | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
The format confuses me a bit. I don't think giving outsiders such a big disadvantage is a good idea, but it should atleast ensure less noob bashing on stream. | ||
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