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Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
February 26 2011 22:49 GMT
#241
On February 27 2011 05:05 Corrik wrote:
Generally the top 16 get traveling stipends from MLG. The point system is set up the way it is to encourage players to show up at all events. If you miss a single event, you could drop out of the top 16. This is how MLG secures its "star" players to return.

Also, I don't get the hate on extended series. This is an event played over a course of a weekend. The only real difference between an extended series and one that isn't is that you could possibly see more games between the two competitors and that the person who lost before has to win more.

The reasoning is that if you have say (this is only an example) Idra play Huk. Let's say Idra wins 2-0.

Idra goes on in the Winner's Bracket and Huk drops down into the Loser Bracket. Idra then loses to say Jinro and drops down into the Loser Bracket also. Huk wins out to face Idra in the Loser Bracket.

If Huk wins 2-1, he would advance though he technically lost more games to Idra than he won.

In a tournament with a loser's bracket, you want to ensure the best player/team advances. Thus, this is why extended series is used. I would think most tournaments with a loser's bracket played over a weekend would use an extended series.

All it means is that the series would have started 2-0 for Idra. Idra would have to win 2 games while Huk would have to win 4. The reason Huk is in the hole is his own doing for losing the first games. And, this means more games to be viewed if Huk wins the series.

This makes every game mean a lot more to the competitor. Sure, Idra might prefer the first and third map so he could just basically cede the 2nd game to the opponent and win 2-1 to advance. But, with extended series, it would make that decision stupid as he might play that opponent later and he is giving him a free win.

It's a good rule, in my opinion.


Doesn't matter. It's been determined already that the rule is subjective. In your case, Huk also won more TOTAL games than Idra won, not to mention that he would also have defeated more opponents and the fact that he would have advanced further through the tournament ( won more rounds).

I would prefer that Huk advances while you would prefer that Idra gets a second chance because you like to give special preference to personal records within the tournament.

Neither way is more correct than the other. It's just up to personal preference. It's just that no other tournament has this rule so it understandable rubs people the wrong way. And the fact that MLG insists that the rule is logical when in fact its implementation completely subjective.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
February 26 2011 23:50 GMT
#242
Maybe there has been some response to map pool in the previous 13 pages but oh well.. ill ask - what about the map pool and is there room to move between different MLGs with regards to maps?

Also - extended series isn't the end of the world makes things interesting..
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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 27 2011 00:17 GMT
#243
On February 27 2011 08:50 bkrow wrote:
Maybe there has been some response to map pool in the previous 13 pages but oh well.. ill ask - what about the map pool and is there room to move between different MLGs with regards to maps?

Also - extended series isn't the end of the world makes things interesting..


Heres you're answer, Just scroll down.

http://twitter.com/#!/MLGLEE
Cobbbler
Profile Joined July 2010
United States60 Posts
February 27 2011 02:04 GMT
#244
On February 26 2011 09:14 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:12 Karthane wrote:
Wait, after all the complaints about extended series you still kept it? Seriously?


half of the community hated it and other half liked it.

Also god damn it Slasher.


Actually, there was a poll in the live update feed of MLG last time asking if you liked Extended Series or not. It was "No" dominated. I would say...70%ish percent. Then they immediately pulled the poll from the feed.
Sreypech
Profile Joined March 2010
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 02:26:13
February 27 2011 02:21 GMT
#245
Why aren't the top 16 just playing against the 16 that make it out of the open bracket. This format just seems like a joke to protect the "top" players.

The 16 players from the open bracket should just be thrown into a 32 player bracket with the "top" 16 and play best of three matches to the finals.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 02:51:52
February 27 2011 02:49 GMT
#246
On February 27 2011 11:04 Cobbbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:14 zaii wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:12 Karthane wrote:
Wait, after all the complaints about extended series you still kept it? Seriously?


half of the community hated it and other half liked it.

Also god damn it Slasher.


Actually, there was a poll in the live update feed of MLG last time asking if you liked Extended Series or not. It was "No" dominated. I would say...70%ish percent. Then they immediately pulled the poll from the feed.


Strange how its only 57% here and 70ish there?

Why aren't the top 16 just playing against the 16 that make it out of the open bracket. This format just seems like a joke to protect the "top" players.


Top 16 have to fight each other then fight the 16 that come out of the open bracket, Thats all to get a good placing for the championship bracket if i remember correctly.
Sreypech
Profile Joined March 2010
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 02:58:48
February 27 2011 02:58 GMT
#247
On February 27 2011 11:49 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why aren't the top 16 just playing against the 16 that make it out of the open bracket. This format just seems like a joke to protect the "top" players.


Top 16 have to fight each other then fight the 16 that come out of the open bracket, Thats all to get a good placing for the championship bracket if i remember correctly.



16 from open bracket fight each other down to 4 then get placed in the pools.

Group A: HuK (1), Jinro (8), SLush (9), Machine (16)
Group B: KiWiKaKi (2), Tyler (7), qxc (10), Agh (15)
Group C: TT1 (3), Drewbie (6), IdrA (11), TLO (14)
Group D: SeleCt (4), PainUser (5), Socke (12), Ret (13)

Each group will have one player added to it, the four remaining players left from the Open Bracket. Seed 17 will be in Group A, Seed 18 in Group B, Seed 19 in Group C, and Seed 20 in Group D.
BWILLdur
Profile Joined October 2010
United States100 Posts
February 27 2011 03:31 GMT
#248
BO3 finals :/
dANiELcanuck
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada217 Posts
February 27 2011 04:00 GMT
#249
Extended series. MLG is still a joke.

User was warned for this post
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 04:14:36
February 27 2011 04:14 GMT
#250
On February 27 2011 11:49 zaii wrote:
Strange how its only 57% here and 70ish there?

What people forget to mention when they throw around the 57% against Extended Series (and thereby imply that 43% are in favour of it), is that only 24% were actually for the extended series, and 20% had no opinion.

A 24% approval rate clearly shows an overwhelming majority opinion against the extended series on Team Liquid. Which makes sense, you know, since it's absolutely retarded and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
applejuice
Profile Joined October 2010
307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 04:45:39
February 27 2011 04:42 GMT
#251
On February 27 2011 13:14 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 11:49 zaii wrote:
Strange how its only 57% here and 70ish there?

What people forget to mention when they throw around the 57% against Extended Series (and thereby imply that 43% are in favour of it), is that only 24% were actually for the extended series, and 20% had no opinion.

A 24% approval rate clearly shows an overwhelming majority opinion against the extended series on Team Liquid. Which makes sense, you know, since it's absolutely retarded and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.


If you haven't noticed, a large of amount of the Team Liquid community hates everything. I doubt a poll asking anything positive would result in anything above 40% yes.Try a poll like: "Is Husky good for the SC2 community?" and see how the sheep vote.

You must have missed the memo: the pros either support it now, or have stopped complaining about it. Be nice if the "haters" would follow suit.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 27 2011 04:46 GMT
#252
Well guess you'll have to wait for MLG clap to get on SOTG or the forums to talk bout the extended series being in the 2011 format.

Never understood why ppl wanted to take out extended series, Always thought it was fair.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 27 2011 04:50 GMT
#253
On February 27 2011 13:42 applejuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 13:14 Bobster wrote:
On February 27 2011 11:49 zaii wrote:
Strange how its only 57% here and 70ish there?

What people forget to mention when they throw around the 57% against Extended Series (and thereby imply that 43% are in favour of it), is that only 24% were actually for the extended series, and 20% had no opinion.

A 24% approval rate clearly shows an overwhelming majority opinion against the extended series on Team Liquid. Which makes sense, you know, since it's absolutely retarded and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.


If you haven't noticed, a large of amount of the Team Liquid community hates everything. I doubt a poll asking anything positive would result in anything above 40% yes.Try a poll like: "Is Husky good for the SC2 community?" and see how the sheep vote.

You must have missed the memo: the pros either support it now, or have stopped complaining about it. Be nice if the "haters" would follow suit.

What, this makes no sense. How about you ask,

"Is Day9 good for the community?"? Do you think that'd get below 40%?

By the way, I'm totally against extended series, probably the worst and the most nonsense rule ever created.
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how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
February 27 2011 05:25 GMT
#254
In all of your misplaced hatred of extended series, it seems like you're all blind to the true blasphemy of bo3 finals.

I mean extended series is up for (a very long stupid) discussion, but holy crap bo3 finals, are you serious...
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 05:50:01
February 27 2011 05:43 GMT
#255
I am very much confused about the whole pool play thing...

Ow... my head...
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
February 27 2011 06:02 GMT
#256
Regarding the extended series. There was a very good statistical analysis done here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168345

From the OP:
When considering individual matches, the extended series appears to
perform well to make sure the better player continues in the
tournament. In this sense, it fulfills its purpose.

But when looking at the larger picture, it appears that the extended
series has little effect on the outcome. While the extended series
rule does slightly improve outcomes, these differences are not
particularly significant compared to the overall double elimination
format.


This was done in November after MLG Dallas. From his models, there is no significant difference between the extended series and normal double elimination on the overall winner of the tournament, though the extended series does do a good job of letting the "better" player continue.

I'd suggest reading this for a very good analysis of the extended series.
you gotta dance
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
February 27 2011 06:36 GMT
#257
SUP

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=196798
ModeratorGood content always wins.
robmixstyle
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada5 Posts
February 27 2011 06:42 GMT
#258
bo3 finals? t.t
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
February 27 2011 06:47 GMT
#259
On February 27 2011 15:42 robmixstyle wrote:
bo3 finals? t.t

extended bo7 or 2xbo3, when you think about it it's kind of unreasonable to ask more of players after they've been playing potentially 20 series over the course of a weekend. it seems anti-climactic but there's no better solution in my eyes.
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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 27 2011 07:15 GMT
#260
Yea, MLG Lee just told me the Finals becomes a BO7 because of extended series.
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