EPT[G] Comprehensive SC2 League and Ladder Guide - Page 77
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12244 Posts
On July 29 2013 16:31 vaderseven wrote: Are the offsets currently known for non masters leagues? Is there still tiers in the non masters leagues? No, but the other leagues are quite narrow, only a couple hundred rating separates each of them. There are no more division tiers at all. | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
I ask because guy in my league (platinum) has 930 points and still not promoted to diamond and im not far behind 890,88-71. Or do we need more points? I dont remember needing that many points to get promoted. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12244 Posts
On July 30 2013 00:28 Liman wrote: Are promotions because of points removed? I ask because guy in my league (platinum) has 930 points and still not promoted to diamond and im not far behind 890,88-71. Or do we need more points? I dont remember needing that many points to get promoted. Promotions were never about points, ever. Ever! It's always been about what your MMR is. | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On July 30 2013 00:33 Excalibur_Z wrote: Promotions were never about points, ever. Ever! It's always been about what your MMR is. Um then whats this? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Battle.net_Leagues Now im confused.I always thought one could get promoted because of points. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria923 Posts
On July 30 2013 00:41 Liman wrote: Um then whats this? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Battle.net_Leagues Now im confused.I always thought one could get promoted because of points. That is just so you can gauge how close you are. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12244 Posts
On July 30 2013 00:41 Liman wrote: Um then whats this? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Battle.net_Leagues Now im confused.I always thought one could get promoted because of points. That chart illustrates a rough estimate of roughly how many points the average player will have -- on the extreme end -- by the time they get promoted across seasons. It does not represent a cause of promotion. Also worth noting is that no similar chart has been published for Heart of the Swarm, and the league populations (and therefore the associated breakpoints) have changed since Wings of Liberty. | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On July 30 2013 00:45 onPHYRE wrote: That is just so you can gauge how close you are. Hehehe  Thanks Excalibur_Z ! | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On July 30 2013 00:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: No, but the other leagues are quite narrow, only a couple hundred rating separates each of them. There are no more division tiers at all. Do we know the offset from diamond to masters and from masers to GM? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12244 Posts
On July 30 2013 05:13 vaderseven wrote: Do we know the offset from diamond to masters and from masers to GM? Nope! If it's anything like pre-HotS then Diamond-Master would be something like 300 and Master-GM would be around 425. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
I was masters last season (or the one before) and havent played much since then. I come back and to get into the swing of things I am playing unranked, and it is pairing me against gold/plat/diamond (and one masters) players. I played a gold ranked player and he lost 12 points to me (sorry  ). I havent lost a game yet, but I also havent been pressured at all really, and I am afraid I am getting to be lazy now. | ||
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LordYama
United States370 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On August 04 2013 09:25 LordYama wrote: Am I properly understanding that the bonus pool and "points" gained or lost during matches only affect movement up and down within your division and do not affect promotion/demotion at all? And that promotion/demotion is only determined by the movement of your MMR based on strength of the opponents you win or lose against but MMR is a separate issue from "points" and bonus pool? Or are they linked in a way I don't understand? What you stated is correct, but it sounds like MMR and points are linked in a way you don't understand. When you play a game, how many points you get depends on the difference between your point score (adjusted for what league you're in) and your opponent's MMR. So, if you play a bunch of games, your point score will converge on a place determined by your MMR. What this means is that ranking in division follows MMR for active players, but inactive players will tend to drop down the list as they fail to use up their bonus pool. So, over a number of games, points tend to follow MMR changes around, but they're not locked to it. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Basically, since no one leaves a league once they are in it, can a league become full and it become very difficult to get promoted into it? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12244 Posts
On August 10 2013 07:11 vaderseven wrote: Does the lack of demotions effect the ability to be promoted into a league? To be specific, does the fact that a league might hit its target population effect how many people are allowed to be promoted into it? Basically, since no one leaves a league once they are in it, can a league become full and it become very difficult to get promoted into it? No, leagues can never become full, except for GM of course. League populations are not enforced at all. If you are in Diamond and playing against Master opponents and winning, you can be promoted into Master if there are 2%, 5%, 30% of the population in Master because the only thing that matters is whether you cross that Master MMR threshold. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On August 10 2013 07:23 Excalibur_Z wrote: No, leagues can never become full, except for GM of course. League populations are not enforced at all. If you are in Diamond and playing against Master opponents and winning, you can be promoted into Master if there are 2%, 5%, 30% of the population in Master because the only thing that matters is whether you cross that Master MMR threshold. If this is true, masters should grow over the course of a season and bronze shrink. Has this been occurring? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12244 Posts
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Mocking
Brazil52 Posts
On August 10 2013 07:56 Excalibur_Z wrote: I don't have regular snapshots of that data but Master did definitely grow (there were posts about it here) from around 2-3% to like 6-10% by the end of the season. I don't know about Bronze but generally Bronze isn't very active anyway so when players get into Bronze they tend to stay there unless they're playing games to try and get out. When I was doing activity research I found that only about 1% of Bronze players even have less than one week's worth of unspent bonus pool. At the end of the last season, they've reworked the master league to be around 2-3% again. | ||
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