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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12275 Posts
October 13 2011 17:57 GMT
#901
On October 14 2011 02:22 OxyContin wrote:
From what I can understand there is a confidence buffer which must be passed for someone to be promoted or demoted, meaning that at any given time there are many people who are in leagues in which they are not best suited for, but remain there due to not yet reaching the appropriate confidence buffer.

However as the new season rolls in and everyone will have to do their placements matches again, will everyone for lack of a better term be "cleanly separated" into their rightful leagues? Would this also mean that for the period of time just after a new season starts that there will be little to no players who are in leagues which they should not be in?


Yeah, I don't think the confidence buffer applies to initial placement, such as at the start of a new season. At least, this seems to be the case because so many people change leagues when a new season begins, but that could also be a result of the MMR boundaries changing from one season to the next (since Blizzard can do that).
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Kyamo
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada129 Posts
October 14 2011 12:19 GMT
#902
On October 14 2011 02:57 Excalibur_Z wrote:

Yeah, I don't think the confidence buffer applies to initial placement, such as at the start of a new season. At least, this seems to be the case because so many people change leagues when a new season begins, but that could also be a result of the MMR boundaries changing from one season to the next (since Blizzard can do that).


I think it must be the confidence buffer. I have a 2v2 team that has been active since release. During Season 1, we went from bronze to gold. The Season 2 placement game put us in platinum. About halfway through the season, we were demoted back to gold. Then the Season 3 placement game put us back in platinum. Then a month or so later, demoted back to gold. I think our MMR must be hovering around the gold-platinum border, so that with the confidence buffer we would never be put in platinum, but that doesn't apply to the new season placement game.
Baseic
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands310 Posts
October 17 2011 08:26 GMT
#903
Sorry if this is common knowledge, but can you say that if your adjusted ladder score went up, that your MMR increased that ladder session?
Etc.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12275 Posts
October 17 2011 15:32 GMT
#904
On October 17 2011 17:26 Baseic wrote:
Sorry if this is common knowledge, but can you say that if your adjusted ladder score went up, that your MMR increased that ladder session?


You mean increased from a previous season? If you were put in the same division tier (and there's no real way to know this unless you were in Master league for both seasons), then yes, that would be a reasonable estimation. The other possible scenario is this: let's say you were in Diamond both seasons, but your MMR fell slightly just before the next season began, and at the start of the next season you were placed one tier lower. However, your adjusted rating at the end of that new season was about 63 higher than it was the previous season. This looks like you did better than last season but because you're in a lower tier with a +63 offset from last season's tier, you actually stayed the same.
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Baseic
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands310 Posts
October 18 2011 09:28 GMT
#905
Thanks for the answer, but I actually meant something else.
What if I just play about 10 games today. I lose 5, I win 5.
My total points went up, does that always mean that my MMR also went up?
Etc.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 18 2011 17:50 GMT
#906
On October 18 2011 18:28 Baseic wrote:
Thanks for the answer, but I actually meant something else.
What if I just play about 10 games today. I lose 5, I win 5.
My total points went up, does that always mean that my MMR also went up?


Not necessarily. It could simply mean that your points were below your MMR to begin with, or that you just got matched against harder opponents and lost to them while winning against evenly skilled. You would have to see a noticeable increase in points or keep track of your point gains/losses against players who SHOULD be at stable ladder point values.
ZiarDS
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States67 Posts
October 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#907
I just found this recently and i am amazed at the detail you have went into this subject thumbs up great job.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
October 21 2011 17:22 GMT
#908
I'm not getting any bonus pool while ladder is locked.
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
October 21 2011 18:10 GMT
#909
On October 22 2011 02:22 MuseMike wrote:
I'm not getting any bonus pool while ladder is locked.


No one is, till next season.
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
October 21 2011 20:13 GMT
#910
Ladder is completely fuked since last patch? No matter if it's diamonds vs silvers or whatever. Every matchup is even since last patch. Doesn't seem to matter how unfair it is, always even on score screen. Even seems to mean you got the same number of drones at start of game =)

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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12275 Posts
October 21 2011 21:43 GMT
#911
On October 22 2011 05:13 oZe wrote:
Ladder is completely fuked since last patch? No matter if it's diamonds vs silvers or whatever. Every matchup is even since last patch. Doesn't seem to matter how unfair it is, always even on score screen. Even seems to mean you got the same number of drones at start of game =)



That's fine since "even" doesn't match MMR vs MMR anyway. Usually huge league gaps like that mean a higher league player is intentionally losing games. Use their match history to confirm.
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 22 2011 04:19 GMT
#912
Hmm, I've won 75% of my last 20 games, but I don't seem to be facing better players, still just even matches and +11/12, and the players themselves are quite underwhelming. Could it be that a lot of inactive players who had high mmrs are playing all of a sudden?
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thorzainfan
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada4 Posts
October 22 2011 20:33 GMT
#913
hey all, need some explanations here, someone pm me about whether pros will be completely devoted to expansion heart of the swarm or they will split between wings of liberty and HoS or they will continue the prominent scene that is current WoL starcraft tourney?
There is no substitute for Hardwork and Macro, Champions Never say die, they say: "attn to details", greed is the engine that drives this country? wisely and slow, they stumble that run fast
thorzainfan
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada4 Posts
October 22 2011 20:33 GMT
#914
hey all, need some explanations here, someone pm me about whether pros will be completely devoted to expansion heart of the swarm or they will split between wings of liberty and HoS or they will continue the prominent scene that is current WoL starcraft tourney?does the laddering system change in Heart of the Swarm?
There is no substitute for Hardwork and Macro, Champions Never say die, they say: "attn to details", greed is the engine that drives this country? wisely and slow, they stumble that run fast
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
October 23 2011 13:09 GMT
#915
Does anyone know when the next season actually starts? I know it locked almost 2 weeks ago, just wondering if we know when the new one begins?
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 23 2011 19:28 GMT
#916
On October 23 2011 22:09 Qikz wrote:
Does anyone know when the next season actually starts? I know it locked almost 2 weeks ago, just wondering if we know when the new one begins?

Usually, locks and unlocks happen on tuesdays. You can probably expect the next unlock this tuesday.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12275 Posts
October 23 2011 19:35 GMT
#917
On October 24 2011 04:28 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 22:09 Qikz wrote:
Does anyone know when the next season actually starts? I know it locked almost 2 weeks ago, just wondering if we know when the new one begins?

Usually, locks and unlocks happen on tuesdays. You can probably expect the next unlock this tuesday.


Although this latest lock did occur on Monday, so Monday is also a possibility this time.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 19:52:41
October 23 2011 19:52 GMT
#918
I'm not sure how it couldn't be on Monday.
Q: When will Season 4 start?
A: October 24th.

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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
October 23 2011 23:51 GMT
#919
If I delayed playing my first placement match of the next season will I have the same bonus pool as someone who played theirs as soon as possible? I know the person who played theirs as soon as they could wouldn't have a bonus pool but if I waited a few days would I have a bonus pool as soon as I played my placement match?
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
October 24 2011 01:28 GMT
#920
On October 24 2011 08:51 AirbladeOrange wrote:
If I delayed playing my first placement match of the next season will I have the same bonus pool as someone who played theirs as soon as possible? I know the person who played theirs as soon as they could wouldn't have a bonus pool but if I waited a few days would I have a bonus pool as soon as I played my placement match?


Yes. A new player starting the game right now (season 3) will start with as much as everyone else.

Everyone has the same amount. (just that some spend theirs...)

Or should I say, masters and GMs have a little more, like it's stated in the OP.
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