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RoninWinge
Profile Joined October 2011
United States7 Posts
October 25 2011 01:52 GMT
#921
I am trying to rise above the bottom 20%!
"We Break for No One"
michaelhasanalias
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)1231 Posts
October 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#922
Excal,

We talked about whether or not one might get a GM achievement if going into "limbo league" due to inactivity.

I tested it on my SEA account and did not get any achievement for league final standings.

Cheers.
KR NsPMichael.805 | AM Michael.2640 | SEA Michael.523 | 엔에스피 New Star Players
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
October 26 2011 02:07 GMT
#923
On October 26 2011 10:25 michaelhasanalias wrote:
Excal,

We talked about whether or not one might get a GM achievement if going into "limbo league" due to inactivity.

I tested it on my SEA account and did not get any achievement for league final standings.

Cheers.


I didn't get my diamond achievement for this season either (was plat at 2nd season), so I think it is due to a bug, I think no one got it =/
Jebotres
Profile Joined August 2011
Croatia48 Posts
October 26 2011 11:58 GMT
#924
Hey guys, just a quick question, since I cant seem to find an answer through google.

I started playing mid S2, placed plat, at the end was playing vs high diamonds and low masters, then summer came and work prevented me from taking part in most of S3, I decided to wait for S4 to start before going at it again, getting my mechanics back up to where they were vs AI - S4 started yesterday and it says I now have to complete 5 placement matches, as opposed to the usual 1 - does that mean all my progress got reset?

In short: Didnt play a single game in S3, placement matches got reset to 5, did my MMR reset as well?
Delta-V
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand43 Posts
October 26 2011 12:24 GMT
#925
Jebotres: If you skip a season completely your MMR resets afaik.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
October 26 2011 13:22 GMT
#926
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 14:56:58
October 26 2011 14:56 GMT
#927
On October 26 2011 22:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.


Yes, that appears to be the case as we discovered in Season 3. I updated the OP last night to include data on seasons and rollovers, and that information about missing a season is included.
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ChineseWife
Profile Joined August 2010
United States373 Posts
October 27 2011 06:03 GMT
#928
im wondering if anyone else is running into this with the new season of laddering. every player i run into is considered favored. i even asked one of them if he was favored, and he saw me as favored which is odd. now, im not complaining too much (since i get like 22 pts for wins, -1 for losses), but i was like 1370ish last season and some of my opponents were like 1500-1600pts, which makes sense that i get extra pts for beating them, but some of them are like 1200, which makes no sense. im confused and tired and cant type properly. excuse my shit grammar
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LordOfDabu
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States394 Posts
October 27 2011 17:17 GMT
#929
It's always like that at the beginning of a new season for players with high MMR since your current score is so far from the score you actual MMR dictates.
Think fast. Click faster.
LordOfDabu
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States394 Posts
October 27 2011 17:21 GMT
#930
On October 26 2011 23:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 22:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.


Yes, that appears to be the case as we discovered in Season 3. I updated the OP last night to include data on seasons and rollovers, and that information about missing a season is included.


Someone else should test this as well eventually, but from my limited testing (only on my account) not playing ffa in season 3 seems to have reset my ffa mmr as well.
Think fast. Click faster.
ChineseWife
Profile Joined August 2010
United States373 Posts
October 27 2011 17:58 GMT
#931
On October 28 2011 02:17 LordOfDabu wrote:
It's always like that at the beginning of a new season for players with high MMR since your current score is so far from the score you actual MMR dictates.


damn dabu y u so smart
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Guiness
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada54 Posts
October 28 2011 00:10 GMT
#932
I didn't know there were 'tiers' within the leagues. So this means that not all divisions within a league are created equally?

Is there any way to tell what tier your division is in?
Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 28 2011 01:00 GMT
#933
On October 28 2011 09:10 Guiness wrote:
I didn't know there were 'tiers' within the leagues. So this means that not all divisions within a league are created equally?

Is there any way to tell what tier your division is in?

At this time, no. We would need a LOT of data to determine division tiers at this time, and even then we wouldn't even be 100% sure. We only know about tiers because of diamond league once being the highest league. We would compare the top 100 from Blizzard with ladder points and determine that some people were ranked X points higher than their ladder points suggested.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
October 28 2011 15:42 GMT
#934
On October 28 2011 02:21 LordOfDabu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 23:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On October 26 2011 22:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.


Yes, that appears to be the case as we discovered in Season 3. I updated the OP last night to include data on seasons and rollovers, and that information about missing a season is included.


Someone else should test this as well eventually, but from my limited testing (only on my account) not playing ffa in season 3 seems to have reset my ffa mmr as well.

I know some who were active during winter 2010-2011 (season 1) and had their MMR was reset when they came back during season 3. But there are also some whom I have talked that claim they had last played during season 1 and when they recently came back had only to play 1 placement. I have not checked profiles of the latter, but there may also be other conditions than just being inactive for one full season.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
October 28 2011 16:29 GMT
#935
On October 29 2011 00:42 korona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 02:21 LordOfDabu wrote:
On October 26 2011 23:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On October 26 2011 22:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.


Yes, that appears to be the case as we discovered in Season 3. I updated the OP last night to include data on seasons and rollovers, and that information about missing a season is included.


Someone else should test this as well eventually, but from my limited testing (only on my account) not playing ffa in season 3 seems to have reset my ffa mmr as well.

I know some who were active during winter 2010-2011 (season 1) and had their MMR was reset when they came back during season 3. But there are also some whom I have talked that claim they had last played during season 1 and when they recently came back had only to play 1 placement. I have not checked profiles of the latter, but there may also be other conditions than just being inactive for one full season.


If you haven't played your initial 5 placement matches to get placed in the system, then you still have to play any remaining initial placement matches in later seasons. For example, if you played 4 placement matches in Season 1, then didn't play at all in Season 2, then in Season 3 you would need to play 1 more placement match. If you played 3 in Season 1 and none in Season 2, then in Season 3 you would need to play 2 more placement matches. Is this what you meant? Are you sure that those players had no activity in a given team or game type over an entire season had to play only one placement match to get that team or game type placed in the most recent season?
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korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 16:49:44
October 28 2011 16:41 GMT
#936
On October 29 2011 01:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:42 korona wrote:
On October 28 2011 02:21 LordOfDabu wrote:
On October 26 2011 23:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On October 26 2011 22:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.


Yes, that appears to be the case as we discovered in Season 3. I updated the OP last night to include data on seasons and rollovers, and that information about missing a season is included.


Someone else should test this as well eventually, but from my limited testing (only on my account) not playing ffa in season 3 seems to have reset my ffa mmr as well.

I know some who were active during winter 2010-2011 (season 1) and had their MMR was reset when they came back during season 3. But there are also some whom I have talked that claim they had last played during season 1 and when they recently came back had only to play 1 placement. I have not checked profiles of the latter, but there may also be other conditions than just being inactive for one full season.


If you haven't played your initial 5 placement matches to get placed in the system, then you still have to play any remaining initial placement matches in later seasons. For example, if you played 4 placement matches in Season 1, then didn't play at all in Season 2, then in Season 3 you would need to play 1 more placement match. If you played 3 in Season 1 and none in Season 2, then in Season 3 you would need to play 2 more placement matches. Is this what you meant? Are you sure that those players had no activity in a given team or game type over an entire season had to play only one placement match to get that team or game type placed in the most recent season?

No. I mean a case that has already played 5 placement matches for a game mode like 1v1 earlier and has been inactive more than one season before starting to play that mode again and needing only 1 placement match.

I talked to last one of these cases just some days ago and even did ask if he had played his 5 placements in season 1. What I regret I did not check his match history to confirm his claim of having more than season long inactivity and now I don't recall his nick.
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
October 28 2011 16:48 GMT
#937
On October 29 2011 01:41 korona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 01:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:42 korona wrote:
On October 28 2011 02:21 LordOfDabu wrote:
On October 26 2011 23:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On October 26 2011 22:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.


Yes, that appears to be the case as we discovered in Season 3. I updated the OP last night to include data on seasons and rollovers, and that information about missing a season is included.


Someone else should test this as well eventually, but from my limited testing (only on my account) not playing ffa in season 3 seems to have reset my ffa mmr as well.

I know some who were active during winter 2010-2011 (season 1) and had their MMR was reset when they came back during season 3. But there are also some whom I have talked that claim they had last played during season 1 and when they recently came back had only to play 1 placement. I have not checked profiles of the latter, but there may also be other conditions than just being inactive for one full season.


If you haven't played your initial 5 placement matches to get placed in the system, then you still have to play any remaining initial placement matches in later seasons. For example, if you played 4 placement matches in Season 1, then didn't play at all in Season 2, then in Season 3 you would need to play 1 more placement match. If you played 3 in Season 1 and none in Season 2, then in Season 3 you would need to play 2 more placement matches. Is this what you meant? Are you sure that those players had no activity in a given team or game type over an entire season had to play only one placement match to get that team or game type placed in the most recent season?

No. I mean a case that has already played 5 placement matches for a game mode like 1v1 earlier and has been inactive more than one season before starting to play that mode again.

I talked to last one of these cases just few days ago and even did ask if he had played his 5 placements in season 1. What I regret I did not check his match history to confirm his claim of having more than season long inactivity and now I don't recall his nick.


You need to check this information indeed, as people do either lie for random reasons or remember things wrong more often than they like to admit, so you can't take what people say as correct till checked. =/
kornetka
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Poland129 Posts
October 28 2011 16:50 GMT
#938
On October 26 2011 23:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 22:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Hypotesis: Going a whole season without classifying yourself in a league will result in a resetted MMR and ranking for the next season.
Example: Placed in diamond season 2, no history during season 3(not even placement), back in season 4 you have five placement matches to do again.

True/False?

I'll test it with my spare account, which was Diamond(/Platinum, kinda) Season 3 and I won't place in a league during season 4.


Yes, that appears to be the case as we discovered in Season 3. I updated the OP last night to include data on seasons and rollovers, and that information about missing a season is included.


I was master player in the season 2, didn't play any ladder 1v1 in season 3. In season 4 I got placed back in masters after one placement match only.
broodwar for ever
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
October 28 2011 18:04 GMT
#939
I just went through 100+ replays from February and finally found an opponent who did not play 1v1 ladder games during season 3 and now in season 4 had to play just 1 placement match in 1v1. In season 3 he did play custom games and 2v2 ladder games. I will later try to find a case who has not played any ladder games during last season.

bastikk: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/671807/1/bastikk/
sc2ranks: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/671807/bastikk#alltime

Here is his match history copied from his battle.net web profile:
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 27/10/2011
Abyssal Caverns 1v1 loss 27/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 27/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 27/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 26/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 26/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 26/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 26/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 26/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 26/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 25/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 24/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 24/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 24/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 24/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 24/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 24/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 23/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 23/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 23/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 23/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 23/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 21/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 21/10/2011
Squadron Tower Defense custom left 19/10/2011
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
October 28 2011 18:25 GMT
#940
That's interesting. Let me ask about this. It could be that the old behavior if you skip a season was a bug that's since been fixed.
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