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On September 13 2011 00:25 Ethalion wrote:
I guess this is a good place to ask. Why did I go from 0 to 263 bonus pool over night? I had just emptied it with my games last night, I'm still in the same league, and have the same points, but my bonus pool has risen more than ten times what it should in less than 20 hours.
I'm guessing you're in a league below Master? There is a rare bug that can happen where your remaining bonus pool if you were in Master league will appear, instead of your correct reduced bonus pool. It's just a display bug and you can't actually spend any of the extra points. It's also temporary and tends to fix itself after relogging.
This is mentioned in the guide:
Bonus Pool Suddenly Becomes Very Large, but Unable to Spend Beyond a Certain Amount
New in 1.3
As mentioned earlier in the guide, the Bonus Pool accumulates faster in Master league than in the lower leagues. There is a bug where occasionally, a player's Master league bonus pool amount will be shown, rather than their actual consumable pool. This is only a display bug. Relogging usually resolves it.
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You're correct, I'm diamond and it was just like that. I guess I should get up to date on with guide, been a while since last time I read it, and I hadn't seen that part.
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Okay sorry if this is a bit of a noob question, but I left my bnet logged in and my idiot roommate decided it would be funny to lose a bunch of games on my account. So long story short I got demoted from diamond from bronze, after not having played very many games in diamond. Whatever I say to myself... it shouldn't take too long to get back to where I'm supposed to be.
... and in the past week I'm 30-2 and still in bronze, at #1 in my division queuing against mostly silver and gold league players. Is there any good answer for how long it will take before I get promoted? Based on the OP, do I really need to start having my win/loss even out before it'll releague me? Here's my sc2ranking if it's helpful: http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2992766/Diophan
Thanks
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On September 17 2011 14:05 diophan wrote:Okay sorry if this is a bit of a noob question, but I left my bnet logged in and my idiot roommate decided it would be funny to lose a bunch of games on my account. So long story short I got demoted from diamond from bronze, after not having played very many games in diamond. Whatever I say to myself... it shouldn't take too long to get back to where I'm supposed to be. ... and in the past week I'm 30-2 and still in bronze, at #1 in my division queuing against mostly silver and gold league players. Is there any good answer for how long it will take before I get promoted? Based on the OP, do I really need to start having my win/loss even out before it'll releague me? Here's my sc2ranking if it's helpful: http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2992766/DiophanThanks
No not at all. If you just keep winning then your moving average will eventually exceed the upper boundary of Silver and that's when you'll move into Silver. The only time your moving average has to settle into one of the tier slices is when you're not good enough to completely outclass the next-highest league but you're still better than your current league.
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On September 17 2011 14:44 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 14:05 diophan wrote:Okay sorry if this is a bit of a noob question, but I left my bnet logged in and my idiot roommate decided it would be funny to lose a bunch of games on my account. So long story short I got demoted from diamond from bronze, after not having played very many games in diamond. Whatever I say to myself... it shouldn't take too long to get back to where I'm supposed to be. ... and in the past week I'm 30-2 and still in bronze, at #1 in my division queuing against mostly silver and gold league players. Is there any good answer for how long it will take before I get promoted? Based on the OP, do I really need to start having my win/loss even out before it'll releague me? Here's my sc2ranking if it's helpful: http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2992766/DiophanThanks No not at all. If you just keep winning then your moving average will eventually exceed the upper boundary of Silver and that's when you'll move into Silver. The only time your moving average has to settle into one of the tier slices is when you're not good enough to completely outclass the next-highest league but you're still better than your current league.
Alright, thanks for the response!
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So I have a question...
I play 4v4 randoms with a friend of mine. We've played all of our games together, except for 1 that he played on his own and won. I'm 25-9 and he's 26-9. In spite of all of our games being together, I have 21 more points than he does (frequently the points awarded will be something like I'll get 20 for a game and he'll get 18).
Is this because my 4v4 MMR is higher and thus b.net thinks I should be moving closer to my true rating, so it's giving me more points?
Or is it because his 4v4 MMR is higher, and since we are playing the same opponents he is getting fewer points since he is marginally better than the competition?
I know for a fact that his 1v1 MMR is higher than mine (I'm ~1000 masters, he's ~1200)
I attached a screenshot (I'm dabu, he's smishox)
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He's a former Master league player according to SC2Ranks, so he's probably winning all his games which prevents his MMR from stabilizing within a Diamond tier, which means his promotion is going to happen after he's passed Diamond which will put him in the highest tier. From there it's just a short number of games until Master.
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On September 18 2011 14:01 LordOfDabu wrote:So I have a question... I play 4v4 randoms with a friend of mine. We've played all of our games together, except for 1 that he played on his own and won. I'm 25-9 and he's 26-9. In spite of all of our games being together, I have 21 more points than he does (frequently the points awarded will be something like I'll get 20 for a game and he'll get 18). Is this because my 4v4 MMR is higher and thus b.net thinks I should be moving closer to my true rating, so it's giving me more points? Or is it because his 4v4 MMR is higher, and since we are playing the same opponents he is getting fewer points since he is marginally better than the competition? I know for a fact that his 1v1 MMR is higher than mine (I'm ~1000 masters, he's ~1200) I attached a screenshot (I'm dabu, he's smishox)
It means his MMR is closer to his points. Even though he won an extra game, we don't know how he got bootstrapped (initial MMR given to him for starting 4v4R). As you play more games, as long as you're always playing together, you'll both arrive at the same MMR and the same points.
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On September 18 2011 14:01 LordOfDabu wrote:So I have a question... I play 4v4 randoms with a friend of mine. We've played all of our games together, except for 1 that he played on his own and won. I'm 25-9 and he's 26-9. In spite of all of our games being together, I have 21 more points than he does (frequently the points awarded will be something like I'll get 20 for a game and he'll get 18). Is this because my 4v4 MMR is higher and thus b.net thinks I should be moving closer to my true rating, so it's giving me more points? Or is it because his 4v4 MMR is higher, and since we are playing the same opponents he is getting fewer points since he is marginally better than the competition? I know for a fact that his 1v1 MMR is higher than mine (I'm ~1000 masters, he's ~1200) I attached a screenshot (I'm dabu, he's smishox)
I have a question for you: did you both got promoted at the exact same game (so at the exact same time)? If you've played 100% of the games with him, he just has 1 more game without you, then he should have more points and we can't explain that right now, unless some of you got promoted first then the other one got the promotion later.
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Yes we were promoted at the same time (presumably why we are in the same division). His extra game was somewhere in the middle (but I was already ahead in points).
We didn't play 100% together in previous seasons, which I assume is what is used as a starting point for MMR.
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On September 19 2011 06:53 LordOfDabu wrote:
Yes we were promoted at the same time (presumably why we are in the same division). His extra game was somewhere in the middle (but I was already ahead in points).
We didn't play 100% together in previous seasons, which I assume is what is used as a starting point for MMR.
Ok, thanks for replying, I got it all now.
1) Your starting MMR will take into consideration previous seasons.
2) There are 7 tiers in diamond, that means that, even though you both started at zero adjusted points, you both probably didn't start at the same diamond tier, which basicly means that one of you started ahead of the other "MMR-wise".
3) Because of 2), the one lowest in MMR got more points, because you were in a lower division tier, and as consequence, you spent more bonus points as well.
4) Even though you both got promoted to master at the exact same time, so you both had your points reset to SPENT bonus pool + 73, one of you had also more spent bonus points, so you are ahead, not in adjusted points, but AP + SBP, well, this 1 game he has over you actually means he has more adjusted points than you now, just not more points 
Interesting, isn't it?
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Oh, I should have clarified that we both got placed into masters on our placement match. I haven't been diamond in 4v4s since season 1.
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On September 19 2011 07:29 LordOfDabu wrote:
Oh, I should have clarified that we both got placed into masters on our placement match. I haven't been diamond in 4v4s since season 1.
If you both started at master this season at the same time, then I don't know how it is possible, as far as I know it shouldn't be possible, specially if he has a victory that you don't have. That means that leagues points are calculated in a different way that I used to believe >.>
Edit: my guess is some kind of bug somewhere.
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Were you actually promoted into Master at the same time, or placed into Master at the start of Season 3?
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We were placed into Masters at the start of season 3 after one placement match. I was originally promoted to Masters 4v4 shortly after the league was introduced for teams (but not on the same game as him) back in season 1. I don't know when he was originally promoted to masters 4v4, but it was long before the current season.
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On September 19 2011 23:45 LordOfDabu wrote:
We were placed into Masters at the start of season 3 after one placement match. I was originally promoted to Masters 4v4 shortly after the league was introduced for teams (but not on the same game as him) back in season 1. I don't know when he was originally promoted to masters 4v4, but it was long before the current season.
In that case your MMR has to be higher than his as a result of his previous games, since you're earning more points against the same opponents. There's really not very much information to go on here though because you've only told us about Season 3 when Season 2, which is the season where you weren't always playing 4v4 together, is very relevant.
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Excalibur your thread has some magic powers lol. On sunday I read this wondering hwne I'd get promoted to masters... and then after a guy did a failed 1/1/1 against me.... PROMOTED lol
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This is just something I'm generally curious about, not complaining or anything like that. When I look at my league and the top people a lot of people I see with lots of points but just a regular record and I wonder how they got all those points, for example, the top 10 in my master league are:
1,481 136 95 58.87%
1,356 267 244 52.25%
1,323 108 101 51.67%
1,317 121 114 51.49%
1,263 308 307 50.08%
1,198 454 451 50.17%
1,165 166 151 52.37%
1,162 151 132 53.36%
1,155 109 105 50.93%
1,154 98 88 52.69%
This is public information but I removed the names all the same. Some of these look pretty understandable like the top 2 for example, but a few of them I wonder how the math works out, given my own record and points:
rank 49
675 103 105 49.52% (bonus pool ~ 100-150)
as compared to rank 9 there
1,155 109 105 50.93% (bonus pool idk but approximate the same based on number of wins I'd think...)
Even if I won 6 more games I wouldn't be near this number of points. I suppose it's possible that the majority of this person's losses were against favored opponents and the majority of their wins were also against favored opponents, but I would think at some point this would normalize and most of the games (like mine) would be even matches, no? Also, if anything I would expect the opposite, that someone so high up would often be the favored person...
Maybe someone at the top of their league can comment as well?
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