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SPQRGaius
Profile Joined August 2011
United States18 Posts
August 07 2011 21:22 GMT
#741
Is there anywhere you can actually see your MMR etc.?
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Zergalicious
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States29 Posts
August 07 2011 22:34 GMT
#742
On August 08 2011 06:22 SPQRGaius wrote:
Is there anywhere you can actually see your MMR etc.?



As of this time, I don't believe so.

In WoW, you can view your own arena team MMR and exploiting is abound. D:
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shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
August 08 2011 10:56 GMT
#743
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I'd like anyone to confirm this.

Couldn't it be that his mmr might have been master level in season 1 but due to not playing any s2 ladder game that the mmr is just not within master league anymore in season 3?
Because I have a lot of doubt that MMR just disappears like that even if you were inactive for 1 season long.
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
August 08 2011 11:56 GMT
#744
On August 08 2011 19:56 shannn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I'd like anyone to confirm this.

Couldn't it be that his mmr might have been master level in season 1 but due to not playing any s2 ladder game that the mmr is just not within master league anymore in season 3?
Because I have a lot of doubt that MMR just disappears like that even if you were inactive for 1 season long.


Yeah, I think this also, especially after the server merge, there are more players with a high MMR filling the 2% reserved for active Masters, so even only by that the MMR-breakpoint to Masters should have risen. And the general level of skill has also risen in all leagues..
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
August 08 2011 14:57 GMT
#745
On August 08 2011 20:56 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:56 shannn wrote:
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I'd like anyone to confirm this.

Couldn't it be that his mmr might have been master level in season 1 but due to not playing any s2 ladder game that the mmr is just not within master league anymore in season 3?
Because I have a lot of doubt that MMR just disappears like that even if you were inactive for 1 season long.


Yeah, I think this also, especially after the server merge, there are more players with a high MMR filling the 2% reserved for active Masters, so even only by that the MMR-breakpoint to Masters should have risen. And the general level of skill has also risen in all leagues..

I doubt MMR would have risen. After all, it is a relative rather than an absolute value. Thus, for instance, a 1000 MMR in S1 would have a lower absolute skill than a 1000 MMR in S3.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12248 Posts
August 08 2011 15:47 GMT
#746
On August 08 2011 19:56 shannn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I'd like anyone to confirm this.

Couldn't it be that his mmr might have been master level in season 1 but due to not playing any s2 ladder game that the mmr is just not within master league anymore in season 3?
Because I have a lot of doubt that MMR just disappears like that even if you were inactive for 1 season long.


Yeah I'd like confirmation on this too. If it is true, then maybe that's why it makes sense that you can't view your Season 1 information (because only the previous season's information is kept). In every other situation MMR should just carry over from one season to the next, regardless of how many seasons occurred in between where you didn't play.
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Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 18:37:55
August 08 2011 18:36 GMT
#747
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I can vouch for this reset.

I played a couple of games in S1 and didn't play S2- I had to play 5 matches to get placed in S3.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
August 08 2011 18:47 GMT
#748
On August 09 2011 00:47 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:56 shannn wrote:
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I'd like anyone to confirm this.

Couldn't it be that his mmr might have been master level in season 1 but due to not playing any s2 ladder game that the mmr is just not within master league anymore in season 3?
Because I have a lot of doubt that MMR just disappears like that even if you were inactive for 1 season long.


Yeah I'd like confirmation on this too. If it is true, then maybe that's why it makes sense that you can't view your Season 1 information (because only the previous season's information is kept). In every other situation MMR should just carry over from one season to the next, regardless of how many seasons occurred in between where you didn't play.


I think it makes perfect sense. A full season is a long time, and it gives Blizzard the perfect opportunity to make server space available. If they keep a full season's MMR progress stored (like I'm inclined to believe), then they copy the final value at the end of a season for everybody. If you don't play, they just dump it. Probably clears out a LOT of team MMRs more than anything.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12248 Posts
August 08 2011 19:42 GMT
#749
On August 09 2011 03:36 Rinrun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I can vouch for this reset.

I played a couple of games in S1 and didn't play S2- I had to play 5 matches to get placed in S3.


Oh wow, that's proof enough right there. You didn't come from the RU, LA, or TW servers either, right?
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SPQRGaius
Profile Joined August 2011
United States18 Posts
August 08 2011 20:35 GMT
#750
So if you are constantly playing in matches where they are favored does that mean your points are trying to catch up with your MMR? Or does it mean you are trying to push through the confidence bubble? Or am I completely wrong on both counts.
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BuGGeaD
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada19 Posts
August 08 2011 20:44 GMT
#751
Wow Really nice job guys , thats helped me alot to understand now.
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Kyamo
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada129 Posts
August 08 2011 20:47 GMT
#752
On August 09 2011 05:35 SPQRGaius wrote:
So if you are constantly playing in matches where they are favored does that mean your points are trying to catch up with your MMR?


Yes.
RudePlague
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Great Britain113 Posts
August 08 2011 21:16 GMT
#753
Something weird just happened, wondering if it's happened to others/if it's a bug or something.

After off-racing at the end of last season I dropped from platinum last season to silver this season. Two days ago I switched back to my main race and have gotten 2 promotions in 2 days, so am now platinum again. I've been playing a lot so have had 0 bonus pool (23 games today for example).

I just logged on after being offline for 2 hours and I now have a bonus pool of 69. Could it be that the ladder is trying to let me get some of the points back that I lost due to double promotions so fast?

Or have they changed back the different bonus pools between higher and lower leagues and this is the difference?
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
August 08 2011 21:32 GMT
#754
On August 09 2011 06:16 RudePlague wrote:
Something weird just happened, wondering if it's happened to others/if it's a bug or something.

After off-racing at the end of last season I dropped from platinum last season to silver this season. Two days ago I switched back to my main race and have gotten 2 promotions in 2 days, so am now platinum again. I've been playing a lot so have had 0 bonus pool (23 games today for example).

I just logged on after being offline for 2 hours and I now have a bonus pool of 69. Could it be that the ladder is trying to let me get some of the points back that I lost due to double promotions so fast?

Or have they changed back the different bonus pools between higher and lower leagues and this is the difference?


Is your PC clock alright?

Can you actually spend these extra points?

I just checked my ACC and I still have only 99 bonus points (should be 170+/- if I were master).
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 21:53:52
August 08 2011 21:53 GMT
#755
On August 08 2011 20:56 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:56 shannn wrote:
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I'd like anyone to confirm this.

Couldn't it be that his mmr might have been master level in season 1 but due to not playing any s2 ladder game that the mmr is just not within master league anymore in season 3?
Because I have a lot of doubt that MMR just disappears like that even if you were inactive for 1 season long.


Yeah, I think this also, especially after the server merge, there are more players with a high MMR filling the 2% reserved for active Masters, so even only by that the MMR-breakpoint to Masters should have risen. And the general level of skill has also risen in all leagues..



I can confirm that it does. I got my friend account to platinum season 1, then he didnt play the whole last season. I decided to do some funday monday on his account, since im now in masters and i have enough trouble vs allins playing standard, and the people i was playing against were in bronze, I would do my standard front door poke to get my expo out safely and it would kill them.

I was wondering about it myself, thanks for explaining what it is
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tUUTZ
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 22:23:35
August 08 2011 22:23 GMT
#756
I don't get why I get less bonus pool because I am in diamond. Makes no sense to me. Imo bronzes and stuff should get more so they could feel better by having more points, meanwhile masters wouldnt get any so people with good W/L ratio would have more points.
RudePlague
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Great Britain113 Posts
August 08 2011 22:38 GMT
#757
On August 09 2011 06:32 SDream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 06:16 RudePlague wrote:
Something weird just happened, wondering if it's happened to others/if it's a bug or something.

After off-racing at the end of last season I dropped from platinum last season to silver this season. Two days ago I switched back to my main race and have gotten 2 promotions in 2 days, so am now platinum again. I've been playing a lot so have had 0 bonus pool (23 games today for example).

I just logged on after being offline for 2 hours and I now have a bonus pool of 69. Could it be that the ladder is trying to let me get some of the points back that I lost due to double promotions so fast?

Or have they changed back the different bonus pools between higher and lower leagues and this is the difference?


Is your PC clock alright?

Can you actually spend these extra points?

I just checked my ACC and I still have only 99 bonus points (should be 170+/- if I were master).


Clock is fine, turns out it's some weird visual bug, just won a game and only got +1 bonus pool for a +15 win, not using the rest of my 69 bonus pool that's appeared.

Sek-Kuar
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic593 Posts
August 09 2011 13:11 GMT
#758
On August 08 2011 20:56 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:56 shannn wrote:
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I'd like anyone to confirm this.

Couldn't it be that his mmr might have been master level in season 1 but due to not playing any s2 ladder game that the mmr is just not within master league anymore in season 3?
Because I have a lot of doubt that MMR just disappears like that even if you were inactive for 1 season long.


Yeah, I think this also, especially after the server merge, there are more players with a high MMR filling the 2% reserved for active Masters, so even only by that the MMR-breakpoint to Masters should have risen. And the general level of skill has also risen in all leagues..


You are both from Eu and that wasnt really affected by merge at all. Top100 GM players in Ru are placed as medium diamond in Eu and top50 GM from Ru are high diamonds.

Its actually quite unfair cuz they now have same Feats of Strenght though its not really compareable... But since new FoS arent working properly anyway (people are getting FoS for ranks they didnt have) its perhaps not such a huge deal.
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Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 13:24:45
August 09 2011 13:23 GMT
#759
On August 09 2011 04:42 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 03:36 Rinrun wrote:
On August 08 2011 03:45 ParasitJonte wrote:
Something to add.

When you don't play a season, your MMR disappears and you're forced to start over again... So even if you were master season 1, if you didn't play season 2 (which I didn't) and come back to season 3 and expect things to be the same; you're dead wrong!

WELCOME TO PLATINUM.

Blizzard REALLY wants to fuck with people who aren't active (bonus pool and now this).

I can vouch for this reset.

I played a couple of games in S1 and didn't play S2- I had to play 5 matches to get placed in S3.


Oh wow, that's proof enough right there. You didn't come from the RU, LA, or TW servers either, right?

I'm from the NA (now AM) server, so yes, I am from an absorbing server.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
August 09 2011 13:38 GMT
#760
Something I noticed last time, I played on SEA after a long time in s2, and even though I was placed into a league after the first match, the first 3 matches did not have any points next to them., and only from the 4th match did I start to get points again. So it seems like people who are inactive are put through an invisible placement match of sorts.
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