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[G] Comprehensive SC2 League and Ladder Guide - Page 19

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elitesniper420
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada135 Posts
May 15 2011 22:40 GMT
#361
I'm currently in the 0.03% highest percentile of Diamond yet I'm not getting promoted. I almost always face master league, and this morning I beat 12 master league almost in a row (almost all ZvZ). I played again this afternoon and I'm getting more losses, but I'm still getting enough wins and I'm climbing up. I'm even facing master league players that are in the top 25 of their division where it says I'm slightly favored. When am I going to get promoted?

And the losses are coming from Master League Terran that are constantly all-inning. ZvT has been my best matchup until now.
425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 23:27:40
May 15 2011 23:22 GMT
#362
So im still in bronze, but im only facing gold level players right now. I went like 25-2 this week, playing only against top 15 silver and low gold. Why are the points i gain now not going to stay when i get promoted to gold? I'm playing against bronze levels already
mrfatbush
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia26 Posts
May 16 2011 03:10 GMT
#363
If you're winning alot of matches against players in a higher league, its only a matter of time before the moving average catches up and recognises you for a promotion.
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
May 17 2011 08:02 GMT
#364
On May 16 2011 08:22 425kid wrote:
So im still in bronze, but im only facing gold level players right now. I went like 25-2 this week, playing only against top 15 silver and low gold. Why are the points i gain now not going to stay when i get promoted to gold? I'm playing against bronze levels already

You mean instead of UsedPool + 73?

I honestly think it's fair, not all your games are against golds, so it shouldn't reward all your points to the new league. I think the 73 is considered very carefully, we just have to trust blizzard on that.

Since most players aren't keeping up with the bonus pool (not even in diamond) you'll end up #20-30 depending on the activity of the division when you promote. I think that's a nice trade for you, going from top Bronze top Mid Gold. Besides, if you indeed improved that much it's really a short way up to top gold.
Liuwi
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany20 Posts
May 17 2011 15:16 GMT
#365
I guess there are some troubles with the system.

I asked a lot of people whether they promoted in the last few days. Everyone told me "No".
I am in platinum now and only playing against high diamond or low/mid masters players and winning like 70-80% of my games....for 2 weeks now. But no promotion.

Once i played with my other account i started in bronze and rushed towards diamond. Spend just one single day in platinum..now i already spent 2 weeks...there is something strange going on in bnet.

It really sucks to still be in platinum and already play against masters opponents.
Axel777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
May 17 2011 22:40 GMT
#366
usefull, but i dont quite get it yet, maybe if i read over it a few more times itll make sense!
"live moves pretty fast, if you dont stop and look around once in a while you could miss it"- Ferris bueller
BlackTactiks
Profile Joined May 2011
United States52 Posts
May 18 2011 03:35 GMT
#367
This Was A Great Informal Read Thx 4 The Hard Work excalibur
Working Towards Greatness :)
DiDigital
Profile Joined February 2011
75 Posts
May 18 2011 22:16 GMT
#368
On May 18 2011 00:16 Liuwi wrote:
I guess there are some troubles with the system.

I asked a lot of people whether they promoted in the last few days. Everyone told me "No".
I am in platinum now and only playing against high diamond or low/mid masters players and winning like 70-80% of my games....for 2 weeks now. But no promotion.

Once i played with my other account i started in bronze and rushed towards diamond. Spend just one single day in platinum..now i already spent 2 weeks...there is something strange going on in bnet.

It really sucks to still be in platinum and already play against masters opponents.


In the past the system would wait for you to stabalize before it placed you within a league, but apparently it isn't doin that anymore. My question about that though is, if you are placed into a league once your MMR reaches the league threshold then wouldn't you always be placed in the lowest tier division, since your MMR just creeped up into the lowest tier threshold? With a story like yours it seems clear that there is something a little more complicated going on still.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
May 18 2011 22:28 GMT
#369
On May 19 2011 07:16 DiDigital wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 00:16 Liuwi wrote:
I guess there are some troubles with the system.

I asked a lot of people whether they promoted in the last few days. Everyone told me "No".
I am in platinum now and only playing against high diamond or low/mid masters players and winning like 70-80% of my games....for 2 weeks now. But no promotion.

Once i played with my other account i started in bronze and rushed towards diamond. Spend just one single day in platinum..now i already spent 2 weeks...there is something strange going on in bnet.

It really sucks to still be in platinum and already play against masters opponents.


In the past the system would wait for you to stabalize before it placed you within a league, but apparently it isn't doin that anymore. My question about that though is, if you are placed into a league once your MMR reaches the league threshold then wouldn't you always be placed in the lowest tier division, since your MMR just creeped up into the lowest tier threshold? With a story like yours it seems clear that there is something a little more complicated going on still.


It still has to stabilize within a tier. The difference from the old system is that if you're outperforming a league, instead of skipping a league you just get moved into the highest tier of that league before moving into the league above it. When I was following Chrono's match history, who went undefeated to get into Diamond, he was facing Master players which meant he was pretty solidly in the Master MMR region, but he was still in Plat at the time so he got moved into the top Diamond tier for a few games. Once he won a little bit more he got moved into Master.
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StatX
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada343 Posts
May 19 2011 01:05 GMT
#370
The MMR is strange sometimes. During offtimes, I would sometimes get platinum players (I am in Silver) and would get rolled over... literally!

I must admit I just play have fun and dont thin k about it!
Can we snipe it? Yes we can!
nepts2
Profile Joined May 2011
33 Posts
May 19 2011 01:36 GMT
#371
On May 16 2011 07:40 elitesniper420 wrote:
I'm currently in the 0.03% highest percentile of Diamond yet I'm not getting promoted. I almost always face master league, and this morning I beat 12 master league almost in a row (almost all ZvZ). I played again this afternoon and I'm getting more losses, but I'm still getting enough wins and I'm climbing up. I'm even facing master league players that are in the top 25 of their division where it says I'm slightly favored. When am I going to get promoted?

And the losses are coming from Master League Terran that are constantly all-inning. ZvT has been my best matchup until now.




Ladder promotion/demotion are locked.
No pro/demotion will occur until blizz fixes it.
Kyamo
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada129 Posts
May 19 2011 12:23 GMT
#372
On May 19 2011 10:36 nepts2 wrote:

Ladder promotion/demotion are locked.
No pro/demotion will occur until blizz fixes it.

Do you have a link for that? My search didn't turn anything useful up.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
May 19 2011 14:48 GMT
#373
On May 19 2011 21:23 Kyamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 10:36 nepts2 wrote:

Ladder promotion/demotion are locked.
No pro/demotion will occur until blizz fixes it.

Do you have a link for that? My search didn't turn anything useful up.


You're not going to find one, it's just deductive reasoning on our part. We'll know it's reactivated when those regional GM pages come back up and there is no second GM division.
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Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
May 19 2011 15:40 GMT
#374
Very interesting and indeed comprehensive. Good read all aound. Not exactly any new information for me but the graphs were pretty ^_^

Seriously though, this is a very good resource for people who are unsure about how exactly the ladder system works.

Keep being awesome =D
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 17:28:55
May 19 2011 17:18 GMT
#375
I have the same issue not promoting.
Two weeks ago I promoted to diamond. Then I lost 17 games in row (in only 2-3 hours when I was too focused on winning and really playing bad) I was demoted back to Platinum. I shouldn't have messed up like that, but I know my general mistake and I fixed it. Since then I'm doing greatly. According to SCRanks I'm #500 Platinum in Europe.

In my last 50 games my record is 33-17, 67% ratio, and my rating is Pool+236 (with 34 still in the pool). This is way better than the last time I promoted, and I needed a lot less games. Also, last time I got to diamond I was facing low diamonds before I promoted. This time I'm facing and beating mid & high diamonds.

I'm very surprised that the #1 in my league went up to 1163 points in two days, hardly losing a single game. And still being stuck in platinum. The season pool is at 649 as I'm writing this. So he almost outdoubled his pool. Can't be right.

I made a tech-support post:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2123513718#1

Please support it by adding your experience so blizzard doesn't confuses it for a whinethread of a ignorant player (as the forum is spammed with as we all know)
HybridZ
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada103 Posts
May 19 2011 19:02 GMT
#376
Very informational, thank-you! Impressive work.
For Char! Written on Iphone
Jaeng
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada110 Posts
May 19 2011 19:47 GMT
#377
promotion is odd; there are many variables imo after reading this.

I was high diamond for season 1; season 2 i started crushing diamonds and i guess my MMR went up enough and started playing masters; finally started beating low/mid masters a lot and i mean going like 20-3; then i finally got matched against a top 10 masters and lost; then a top 25 masters and won and got promoted.

awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
May 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#378
I think there's a huge misconception about "high" and "low" diamonds/masters. I think most people refer to high diamonds as people who have probably used up all of their bonus pool or are about top 10 in their division and has no relation to MMR. I think people assume that if they have a high number of points, then these players are better and thus "high" diamond. Then we get all these posts about "I was beating all these high diamond players, and not getting promoted."

What a high diamond should really be is someone who uses up all his bonus pool but has more points than others who have spent up their bonus pool.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
May 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#379
So this is bizarre.

My friends were playing 3v3 and they told me they got into gold in 5 placement matches without winning a single game and that this is their first time playing 3s together as that specific team. Makes me think that blizzard only counts individual ratings even in premade teams.

Here's the team:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2596832/1/Elvis/ladder/46418#current-rank
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
random user
Profile Joined December 2010
85 Posts
May 19 2011 21:24 GMT
#380
I think that promotions/demotions are either broken or much much rarer than before. I dusted off a script which looks at the top 500 by points diamond players who have played in the last 30 days (via sc2ranks), and compares that list across time.

Usually in a 24 hour period you'll get 20-40 promotions/demotions when I ran it for season 1.

I just ran a 12 hr period to see how many people got promoted/demoted in that time frame. The result?

Zero.

Every single person who was no longer in the top 500 was still in diamond.

Now, there is some possibility that there is a bug in my code somewhere, but I did some spot checking and it all appeared to check out.
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