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On February 20 2011 20:27 T0fuuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote: " the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered"
Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's.
This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in. Because everything that isnt a gg is a ragequit. =/
Better to Idra-quit - just leave when you clearly lost and start a new game without wasting any more time.
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I think just saying "gg" regardless of what kind of stretch/bm thing went on is the best and only thing to get it back. All other ways are going to encourage continuation of that behavior, given the whole "this r teh internetz" mentality thing.
StarCraft 2 is a (almost perfectly - didn't know how to describe it, but you get my point) balanced strategy game. Whatever happens that enrages you, happens within a certain set of rules of the game. I feel this relates strong to my/anyone's problem with "cheese". In essence it doesn't really exist, but it's annoying if it happens to you. And it feels great when you survive it and win the game. But really, it happened within the rules of the game. So yeah, scout better next time, or try opening up to change your strategies.
So yeah, the Terran floating off to the island expo, stretching for another 5 to 10 minutes isn't going to fill your day with happiness by any means. But going to force someone to give up (saying "gg" yourself first might push that Terran to think about them missile turrets first, to ensure the maximum amount of stretching!) via chatting with text, on the internet, where we are anonymous, is most likely not going to get you that "gg" from him. Showing that you however are mannered, might give the other party insight on how it could also be. While it won't benefit you directly in that game, it might at some point in the future.
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I'm a big fan of PsY's OFFENSIVE GG. I don't think there's anyway to make someone who's kind of BM to GG.. But if people are floating around and not quitting get something to attack them, shift click the buildings and go on YouTube
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You play ladder for points, getting a GG is only polite and you'll only get one if the opponent genuinly thinks it was a good game most of the time. But if you get your points in the long run why would it matter if your opponent said GG or not?
The only time I find it disrespectful to not gg is when playing customs or in tournaments. And even then I do not mind if someone just leaves after being cheesed or 1aed.
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On February 20 2011 20:43 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote: Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg. Preemptive gg makes me lift off to a corner and waste his time. Say wp rather or something, because gg is like saying "just leave, you've lost", which should be my decision not yours. About the subject itself, well just kill the buildings. There's no real solution to liftoff or someone fighting until he's sent out of the game. I mean it is obviously his right to try to win/draw through any means possible... Just make sure to scout all bases, since especially chatty people can be sneaky like that, distracting you while making a new base 
Pretty much this.
There's been several games where I'm just about to gg when my opponent gives an offensive one. If you do that you better be prepared for playing as long of a game that I can make it. If you feel like someone is hanging in the game to long, try actually talking to the person instead of bm-ing your way to victory. That's my two cents.
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One thing i have noticed lately is that when your opponent loses and actually says GG he'll instantly pause the game after that just to make sure that you have time to GG back lol, they really want that GG back.
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On February 20 2011 21:06 grobo wrote: One thing i have noticed lately is that when your opponent loses and actually says GG he'll instantly pause the game after that just to make sure that you have time to GG back lol, they really want that GG back.
Or maybe he just missclicked surrender button? lol
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to be honest you dont have to GG, GG means good game, if you get cheesed or what ever it might not be a good game from your perspective.
Edit: you could alway just get one of these: ggbutton.com
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I almost never gg or type glhf in the beginning simply due to the fact that I don't wish my opponents good luck and I don't care whether they are having fun or not (if they are playing zerg then they probably arent), also most of my games aren't good games. What's so good about being bunker rushed or someone sitting on 2 bases and trying to get vray colossi out - nothing. However, I do gg if I think someone played really, really well and impressed me ingame, that happens very rarely though.
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I really don't think there's a polite way to force someone who's used to being BMed to GG. On another note: do you really think it's bad mannered NOT to type GG? Having a WC3 background, I am familiar with the social conventions of RTS game, but I really don't think one should lie just for the sake of being nice. For instance, I rarely ever type GL at the start of the game. I just really don't wish my opponents are lucky. I wish them a good game, I wish them to have fun, but not having luck. Same goes for GG - I really don't think it's a good game if I get Marine/SCV'ed the 91273120389th time in a row, so I certainly won't type it.
TL;DR: is the GG really a necessity for good manners, if you just didn't think it was a good game?
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For me the best way to get an annoying opponent to leave is to write something like "cmon this was a pretty good game/intense fights/whatever" - give them the feeling you appreciate their performance, even if you don't because they aren't capable of dealing with a loss. Notice that this is completely different from the pre-emptive GG which means nothing else than "just leave you stupid moron, I've stomped your sorry ass, now stop wasting my time". Obviously it doesn't work all the time, but I've gotten quite some "yeah you're right, wp" in response followed by 'has left the game'.
If your opponents act like a 10 year old - treat them like one! Give them a little treat so they feel comfortable and profit.
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When I play 4v4 and they go for quadruple Baneling bust versus one ramp with two players,I leave without GG too and try some shenanigans too (aka warping pylons all around the map). The team games have a feeling that the better cheese/all-in wins. Why would You GG when somebody put zero effort into win and You were taught nothing? "Oh,I should double bunker my ramp,mass marines and get owned by 2base Protoss"
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I don't think it's possible to force someone to give a gg and leave if they don't want to. Their goal is to piss you off and it seems like it's working too. Plenty of players have done it to me and I have also done it plenty of times myself, it's just part of the game and you have to deal with it.
Technically if this situation occurs in 1v1, it's possible to win if you float away all your buildings and that 1% chance the extra 10 minutes or whatever will buy you enough time for your opponent to randomly drop from bad connection or whatever.
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if people gg for you that is really bm ^^, normally i lift then and fly towards the edges and wait for another reaction and otherwise tell them that bm people never get ggs before i leave (sigh i am to nice). If someone tryes to rebuild they probably see a chance of coming back, maybe because they didn't scouted how far you are ahead etc, or they want to test something. I guess bming someone only makes them bm you as well. So if you think you are so far ahead giving them informations help (not lying ofcourse).
And for the people lifting buildings ... air units are there in no time so i don't see an issue there ... as those people often don't react anyway, because they went afk
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On February 20 2011 13:09 DM20 wrote: I don't GG a lot of the time out of sheer laziness.
Death shall await thee! But then again,saying gg would not change that 
Seriously though, I think we need to distinguish between the StarCraft community, and the sum of StarCraft players. Those are different things - only those with a sense of community are part of it.
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On February 20 2011 21:11 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 21:06 grobo wrote: One thing i have noticed lately is that when your opponent loses and actually says GG he'll instantly pause the game after that just to make sure that you have time to GG back lol, they really want that GG back. Or maybe he just missclicked surrender button? lol
I'm sure that's the case sometimes too, but i actually asked and they were waiting for a GG.
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On February 20 2011 20:52 Somnolence wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 20:27 T0fuuu wrote:On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote: " the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered"
Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's.
This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in. Because everything that isnt a gg is a ragequit. =/ Better to Idra-quit - just leave when you clearly lost and start a new game without wasting any more time.
EXACTLY.. the only time I consider it "ragequitting" is if you dont GG in a TOURNAMENT, with thousands watching on streams/money on the line. Thats not cool..
But ladder is a different story. You play your game, and just get out to the next one. no point wasting time chitchatting.
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The best way to get a gg is to ask for a regame.
I think you take "GG" too seriously.
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I find receiving or sending GGs in every match is superficial. Obviously most games are nothing out of the ordinary, and the GOOD ones are rare. After 800 games played, i don think i could nominate more than 20 as good play on both parts.
I don't gg unless he had some nice attacks, drops, strategies or the match was close all the time. Those are my standards and i won't ignore them to fit the non-BM cliche.
Oh and i really dont understand why getting a GG would matter. Do you really need motivation or what?
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What's the most funny that 90% of people in this thread didn't even understand what OP said in his post.
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