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I have found that quite alot recently especially during team games that some players just quite simply refuse to GG and leave, even after a quick push that feels like it shud be over it 10 mins you always get the terran who will ift off go to island and start trying to rebuild just dragging the game out longer.
Now i am finding alot of the time also that my team can be quite BM (bad mannered) towards the ones not leaving the game and this can sometimes tip them over the edge of lifting off every building into the corners of the map, making it take really long just to end the game, if a player is trying something new or thinks he actually stands half a chance fair enough, but what is the best appraoch towards these players who just dont know when to give up?
PLEASE leave constructive comments, the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered i wish for it to stay this way, for people who come across this problem to use what they read in this thread instead of ripping into them.
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There really isn't one, they are happy to waste your time.
I suppose you could ask nicely, but chances are, your team will beat you to the punch with profanities.
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On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:
I have found that quite alot recently especially during team games that some players just quite simply refuse to GG and leave, even after a quick push that feels like it shud be over it 10 mins you always get the terran who will ift off go to island and start trying to rebuild just dragging the game out longer.
Now i am finding alot of the time also that my team can be quite BM (bad mannered) towards the ones not leaving the game and this can sometimes tip them over the edge of lifting off every building into the corners of the map, making it take really long just to end the game, if a player is trying something new or thinks he actually stands half a chance fair enough, but what is the best appraoch towards these players who just dont know when to give up?
PLEASE leave constructive comments, the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered i wish for it to stay this way, for people who come across this problem to use what they read in this thread instead of ripping into them.
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered"
Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's.
This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in.
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You don't know the answer to this question?
I can tell you it, it's called the internet
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It really depends on the player.
If a player ggs, they'll generally gg 90% of their games.
Something the opponent does usually won't change it.
If the player rarely ggs, that's that.
Something the opponent does usually won't change it.
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On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:
I have found that quite alot recently especially during team games that some players just quite simply refuse to GG and leave, even after a quick push that feels like it shud be over it 10 mins you always get the terran who will ift off go to island and start trying to rebuild just dragging the game out longer.
Now i am finding alot of the time also that my team can be quite BM (bad mannered) towards the ones not leaving the game and this can sometimes tip them over the edge of lifting off every building into the corners of the map, making it take really long just to end the game, if a player is trying something new or thinks he actually stands half a chance fair enough, but what is the best appraoch towards these players who just dont know when to give up?
PLEASE leave constructive comments, the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered i wish for it to stay this way, for people who come across this problem to use what they read in this thread instead of ripping into them.
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered" Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's. This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in.
Though once in a while you get these gems that are both polite, well mannered and awesome, they more then make up for the rotten eggs in the community.
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On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:
I have found that quite alot recently especially during team games that some players just quite simply refuse to GG and leave, even after a quick push that feels like it shud be over it 10 mins you always get the terran who will ift off go to island and start trying to rebuild just dragging the game out longer.
Now i am finding alot of the time also that my team can be quite BM (bad mannered) towards the ones not leaving the game and this can sometimes tip them over the edge of lifting off every building into the corners of the map, making it take really long just to end the game, if a player is trying something new or thinks he actually stands half a chance fair enough, but what is the best appraoch towards these players who just dont know when to give up?
PLEASE leave constructive comments, the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered i wish for it to stay this way, for people who come across this problem to use what they read in this thread instead of ripping into them.
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered" Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's. This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in.
people who ragequit are usually new to the community.
poeple who played BW before are good mannered,its all the new guys I tell you.
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Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg.
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That's a interesting thread and you look really tolerant, that's nice!
How many minutes do you think you've lost? 
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On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg.
An aggressive GG i have always considered BM and have seen many people take offence to it, persoanlly becuase it has only ever happened to me in a unwinnable position i left after the aggressive GG but still felt it was cocky and BM of the person.
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Say this: "Ok _______, please don't leave, me and my teammate are going to farm achievements now." The person will think that they are causing you an inconvenience by leaving, and you win. I don't know what you would do in a 1v1 though.
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poeple who played BW before are good mannered,its all the new guys I tell you.
heh, for some reason combatex comes to mind...
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In 1v1 I usually say something like, "I have 5 bases including both golds, I have 10 rax, 3 starports, 3 factories, and I'm maxed."
As soon as they confirm that I'm being honest, they usually leave.
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On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg.
This comes off EXTREMELY bm to me. If I've lost a major battle, I'll either gg, stay in-game and fight for it - or the occansional ragequit... But if my opponent starts gg'ing after winning a battle, I'm taking it as a personal offense. It's like saying: Okay, I got you... Leave now
No real way of forcing it. I've tried writing wp when my opponent does some nice moves. Like drops, burrowed banelings, a good emp or a game changing force field. After praising his play, I've never experienced a player not gg'ing neither as winner or loser.
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On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg.
That would actually be super hilarious if someone said gg for them and they were happy (if this guy is serious though...).
I don't really think they are going to leave though if they are floating to islands. If you think they are really bad/clueless maybe you can explain to them it is considered rude to stay in the game after you have no chance of winning; but you have to be careful doing this cause you can easily come off as a condescending prick. If they know proper etiquette and aren't doing it, nothing you can say is going to change their mind.
Personally in these situations I usually start building ridiculous stuff and just generally goofing around, I get to have some fun that way at least while I wait for them to realize they have lost.
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I don't GG a lot of the time out of sheer laziness.
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If I've clearly won I normally say GG. A lot of the time they'll GG back and leave. If they're clearly doing delay tactics, I generally try to annoy them out of the game, or at least have some fun before they leave.
"You can still win, keep trying!!!!"
"You can still kill me, just build more cannons!!!!"
"This is awesome, I'm having so much fun! It reminds me of when I was in bronze"
"Wait, don't leave! I want to kill the rest of your stuff."
"My favourite part of this game was when I killed your base."
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On February 20 2011 13:07 Mentalizor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg. This comes off EXTREMELY bm to me. If I've lost a major battle, I'll either gg, stay in-game and fight for it - or the occansional ragequit... But if my opponent starts gg'ing after winning a battle, I'm taking it as a personal offense. It's like saying: Okay, I got you... Leave nowNo real way of forcing it. I've tried writing wp when my opponent does some nice moves. Like drops, burrowed banelings, a good emp or a game changing force field. After praising his play, I've never experienced a player not gg'ing neither as winner or loser.
That joke went completely over your head.
edit: on topic I don't really think there's a way to deal with these guys except for continuing to play and waste your and his time. Just tech up to pheonix/corrupter/viking and kill his remaining floating buildings
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I think a lot of newbies (don't follow the pro-scene/read forums) are just newbie like that. They don't even know that it's Badmannered to stay after they've lost (if they even realized that they lost). My friends and I play 3v3s often, and nobody ever leaves after a GG. We all just stay around killing things and hiding buildings until we're dead, because it's fun. They only play 2 or 3 games a week, so they don't mind dragging the game out.
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I've played over 400 games and never experienced this. You must either be playing a different group of players, or be doing something to incite this.
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On February 20 2011 13:10 Quineotio wrote:
If I've clearly won I normally say GG. A lot of the time they'll GG back and leave. If they're clearly doing delay tactics, I generally try to annoy them out of the game, or at least have some fun before they leave.
"You can still win, keep trying!!!!"
"You can still kill me, just build more cannons!!!!"
"This is awesome, I'm having so much fun! It reminds me of when I was in bronze"
"Wait, don't leave! I want to kill the rest of your stuff."
"My favourite part of this game was when I killed your base."
Offensive GG'ing is always a bad idea, it'll just encourage them to delay as long as possible.
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i dont talk to my opponents :/
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I don't see how it's BM of them to not leave. It's up to them to decide when they think they're completely out of it, or its up to you to meet the victory conditions. If this is frustrating to you then that is your problem, you have not won the game untill you see the victory sign.
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On February 20 2011 13:07 Mentalizor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg. This comes off EXTREMELY bm to me. If I've lost a major battle, I'll either gg, stay in-game and fight for it - or the occansional ragequit... But if my opponent starts gg'ing after winning a battle, I'm taking it as a personal offense. It's like saying: Okay, I got you... Leave nowNo real way of forcing it. I've tried writing wp when my opponent does some nice moves. Like drops, burrowed banelings, a good emp or a game changing force field. After praising his play, I've never experienced a player not gg'ing neither as winner or loser.
I think this is your best option. People that don't leave are usual upset. Cheer them up with praise, they feel better, don't feel like wasting your time.
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I feel there's a difference between: "gg" "leaving the game" and "rage quit", I mean if I don't feel I played a good game(gg) I leave the game without a saying gg (since it means good game), but doesn't mean I ragequit.. Though as a terran and my opponent GG's for me I take it offensively and drag the game as long as I can.
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happens to me like 15% of the games, words never help the rage - the only solution i found is to make starport/stargate/spirte when u feel u already won
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Do something fun? I've yet to experience the terran lift off in sc2 but in brood war, I'd mass something awful and smash them. Like 200/200 scourge against lifted buildings or mass queen.
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On February 20 2011 12:59 mizU wrote:
It really depends on the player.
If a player ggs, they'll generally gg 90% of their games.
Something the opponent does usually won't change it.
If the player rarely ggs, that's that.
Something the opponent does usually won't change it.
This man speaks the truth, when i lose, i jsut automatically type GG/ WP/etc to my opponents. They did after all beat me and a loss is a loss.
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I think you are definitely promoting turtling behavior by saying GG for your opponent. The first person to GG is in effect, surrendering. Since you won a battle, they might see you surrendering on their behalf as pretentious, and might do everything in their power to annoy you because you insulted them.
TL:DR You are BM by GGing for your opponent
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do in-game BM stuff like /dancing your units, expanding to their natural, dropping mules on them, making tons of some underpowered unit or building... but I wouldn't say anything.
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I always say GG when I lose, but i'd say 95% of the players i meet don't. I guess it has to do with my BW background.
btw I always say glhf in the beginning too
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I only GG if it was a good game, if not nope.
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On February 20 2011 13:15 Chill wrote:
I've played over 400 games and never experienced this. You must either be playing a different group of players, or be doing something to incite this.
Uh you must be playing a different group then all of us + i think a lot of people know you are a mod for TL (unless you are smurfing)
But as for the OP, theres nothing you can do. Some people hate losing (myself included). About half my games (close to 2,000) have ended in some kind of bm.
Examples
-Warping in pylons
-Lift off CC's /buildings.
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for me, exxpect gg's only 1v1
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What we always do is that my teammate says 'gg guys?' and I say 'yeah, sorry, he tends to offensively gg a lot, anyway, I think it's over, right?'
thereby cleverly placing myself into the position of the good cop, faking sympathy, and thereby earning their sympathy to which they then often replay 'Yeah, kind of, good game guys', and leave.
Edit: this is usually after the point where I block escaping workers by building a nexus at their ramp.
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I don't think there's a polite way to ask someone to GG. If you ask them to GG out that just provokes them, to drag the game out even longer. My best advice to you is to make a bunch of vikings, mutas, pheonixes/ void rays and just scout out the whole base with your air fleet.
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Stop cheesing and it won't be a problem xD
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How did this thread turn into, when to gg and how to gg and whos gging, which players gg. Did 75% of the people responding to this post not read the op?
On topic: The best approach imo is try to get them to understand the game is over without being bm yourself which can be hard. Best to compliment some parts of the match then transition.
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On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:
I have found that quite alot recently especially during team games that some players just quite simply refuse to GG and leave, even after a quick push that feels like it shud be over it 10 mins you always get the terran who will ift off go to island and start trying to rebuild just dragging the game out longer.
Now i am finding alot of the time also that my team can be quite BM (bad mannered) towards the ones not leaving the game and this can sometimes tip them over the edge of lifting off every building into the corners of the map, making it take really long just to end the game, if a player is trying something new or thinks he actually stands half a chance fair enough, but what is the best appraoch towards these players who just dont know when to give up?
PLEASE leave constructive comments, the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered i wish for it to stay this way, for people who come across this problem to use what they read in this thread instead of ripping into them.
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered" Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's. This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in.
What i fail to understand is why the fuck does someone have to say GG ?? or if they don't its a rage quit .. thats the problem with something becoming the norm is that people EXPECT it , i don't see why someone needs to say gg... fuck 85% of my games aren't a fucking gg.. so i should say it just so my opponent gets a erection >_<
Sorry to be so blunt just i hate these stupid things.. its the same with Football (soccer to you others) .. If the managers in the premierleague dont shake hands at the end of the game sometimes the papers write shit .. why ? basically people who expect a gg are no better then the guys who write papers.. i base that on the fact someone must be Deluded to expect a gg out of a situation thats not a gg
Example
+ Show Spoiler +You just 2bunkerd off my ramp and instead of typing goodgame i just left because that stratergy is retarded, close postion as a zerg is retarded
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I've only ever been BM'ed once on ladder (and that wasn't even good BM) 70% of people I'd say return the Opening "GL" with something (GL, HF, U2 etc) maybe 40% GG as they leave. I can only think of one game I didn't GG and that's because the guy fake GG'ed me as I took out his main (he had 2 hidden expo's) in a tournament no less, asshole.
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Maybe I'm just a little too anti tradition, but I honestly don't say gg unless it was an actual good game. Which on the NA ladder in high level diamond where I am, the games generally just are not that great.
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Just macro up and crush them, not saying anything. Your goal is to destroy all their buildings, aim for that, not 'get them to quit'.
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On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:
I have found that quite alot recently especially during team games that some players just quite simply refuse to GG and leave, even after a quick push that feels like it shud be over it 10 mins you always get the terran who will ift off go to island and start trying to rebuild just dragging the game out longer.
Now i am finding alot of the time also that my team can be quite BM (bad mannered) towards the ones not leaving the game and this can sometimes tip them over the edge of lifting off every building into the corners of the map, making it take really long just to end the game, if a player is trying something new or thinks he actually stands half a chance fair enough, but what is the best appraoch towards these players who just dont know when to give up?
PLEASE leave constructive comments, the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered i wish for it to stay this way, for people who come across this problem to use what they read in this thread instead of ripping into them.
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered" Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's. This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in. Compared to many other communities such as in the shooter genre or team based arena games like HoN, this community is that of saints.
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Although I do consider it good mannered to gg at a reasonable time, you cannot expect other gamers to do so. There will always be people who play sc2 for a different reason, and expecting their idea of a fun game to match yours just wont happen.
To throw an example, i know a terran player who will always do whatever he can to stay in the game. Even though anyone watching could say he has no chance, he plays for fun and dosent care whether he wins or loses. So naturally you can expect his CC to float away to an island when his base is being overrun. He would also be fairly unfamiliar with gg as a being good mannered. Dosent make him an ass, he is just having fun playing a game.
And in response to the offensive GG. You better believe that i will try and drag it out longer. Just my way of giving the finger so someone i consider arrogant.
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Yeah there's definitely nothing you can do. I usually just BM by spelling LOL in pylons and making a mothership and stuff. Generally if a player does this I will never, ever kill off their buildings unless I really want to move on to the next game for some reason.
I got time. I'll read a book if someone isn't GGing.
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Well the people who usually play those types of large team games are the casual types who don't really know about competitive gaming or "gaming etiquette," right?
A lot of them probably don't know they're being bm.
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If your opponent decides to lift off to an island, just have fun with it man. The most fun i ever have in games is building mass spore crawlers to surround the island and just lol all game long.
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I only start to push them to GG when it is incredibly clear that they have lost, I really don't want to be BM. For example I had a game where I was on 4 base and he was on the island with 2 SCVs and a CC. I told him that he being somewhat bad mannered (as nicely as I could), and he actually said "oh, sorry" and left. Made me feel fuzzy that not everybody is an obnoxious 12yr old.
Though the above happens very rarely TBH.
EDIT: I agree with many others before. Most team players don't even know they're being BM by not leaving, especially gold and below-ish.
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I hardly ever say "gg" whether during a win or a loss. If someone says "glhf" or "gg" in a win or a loss, I usually reciprocate, but I don't initiate it. If I know I've lost and leave without saying "gg" doesn't mean I'm rage-quitting, they could have easily played well, but it's just something I don't do.
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I have never understood why people expect politeness in starcraft. Yea the pros have to GG, but expecting it from a random human being on the internet? You must live in lala land. People are emotional if someone doesn't GG and they act like pricks about losing, it should be expected.
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On February 20 2011 14:21 KingAce wrote:
I have never understood why people expect politeness in starcraft. Yea the pros have to GG, but expecting it from a random human being on the internet? You must live in lala land. People are emotional if someone doesn't GG and they act like pricks about losing, it should be expected.
98% of scbw games ended with gg's from my experience. It's not asking for too much really.
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Best way is just to say something cute/funny like,
"aw, no gg? ;("
Which is like the opposite of "EFF YOU NOOB GG TO ME NOW!"
Which you will probably agree is one of the worst ways to get a gg.
And yeah a lot of newbies don't know gg, remember. Remember that this is SC2 nor SC1; there are a lot of newbies (good thing! sc2 can grow bigger) and they don't know gg or don't know how important it is.
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On February 20 2011 13:09 DM20 wrote:
I don't GG a lot of the time out of sheer laziness.
This or I just plain forget. It's not that I'm raging and being BM I just leave the game once I realized I've lost and continue on with games.
I always say the usual, GL HF in the beginning and will reply with a GG if they say it first though.
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The only polite way is to destroy all their buildings and end the game. If you're really so far ahead, yet can't end the game quickly, are you really that far ahead?
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Some of you ladies get so caught up in all this GG business no one really cares that much get over yourselves.
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I think Yoshi is the most right, followed by mucker. Besides making light of the situation in the hopes of comfortably alleviating someone's ignorance (which is to assume the best about your opponent), the only polite thing to do is calmly destroy every last one of their buildings. That is, after all, the point of the game. And it does not ever take that much time, if you are really as ahead as we are assuming in this scenario.
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One more reason to hate terrans. In a legit base race it's fine to put buildings down where you can to avoid losing, but lifting off just to prolong a game is really stupid. I wonder how many games a terran can play and get better if they didn't just lift off the moment they're going to lose with no army. I hate having to tech to air just to kill those people because they can't learn how to take a loss. There's like 1 in 1000 games maybe you have a chance of winning if you lift off to an island or something. I think those get rarer the higher you go in ladder. A bad habit from lower leagues that terrans need to just get over.
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Well if its 4v1 but the terran refuses to leave, you can just leave. When your teammates win the game, you get the win anyways, so you can save time by just leaving and queuing another game. Only works if you're playing random though, not team.
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Well, you can make then gg by making sure your staying on top of your macro while hunting for them in shark mode.
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The community is overall not well mannered like you think it is, and you are not going to convince random anonymous people on ladder to GG you. GG means good game, and i only GG if it was actually a good game,im not going to give every opponent who does some corny rush or all in against me a pat on the back
When it comes to manner liftoffs, get over it really they are wasting just as much time as you, if you care about your ladder score enough to take two minutes to get air units then its not really a big deal.
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Ask them if they'd mind staying in the game while you farm that one achievement you've been trying forever to get. I once picked up the mine out 2 gold bases achievement while a Terran was turreted up on a mined out island and my Stargate switch wasn't done yet. I thanked him for the help getting that one and while he didn't say anything, I like to imagine he wished he'd left earlier. 
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On February 20 2011 13:59 mucker wrote:
Just macro up and crush them, not saying anything. Your goal is to destroy all their buildings, aim for that, not 'get them to quit'.
Well that is sometime tiresome (in teamgames especially), typical is that terran has island base, and when we are killing everything else they have he builds like 50 missile turrets. It takes a loooooong time to kill that (as protoss at least).
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Anonimity = asshat more than it doesnt.
Espeically in 2v2 if they are trying to show off for their teammate by being a douche for lol's.
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I think many of you just misunderstand the OP, thus derailing the thread a bit.
What he was asking for was a way to have your opponent simply surrender when they are in a situation where they basically can't win anymore. If I got it right, it's not so much about them actually typing "gg", it's just annoying if you are 100% sure you just won the game but still have to fight for another few minutes, even if it's just destroying your opponents buildings. As long as you still have some combat units, that's fine, just stay till they are actually taken out. But if it's only your 3 bases with a marginal income or something vs. a Protoss deathball for example, it's just unnecessary to stay in the game.
On February 20 2011 13:53 fadestep wrote:
Stop cheesing and it won't be a problem xD
This is somewhat true for some people. I can understand that if you get 6pooled/proxy rax'd/gated or something, you actually try to make them waste time on you - especially when you've had that happened to you a couple games in a row. The best thing you can do after your cheese is to just build up air units asap and win the game anyway.
On February 20 2011 13:24 Oxb wrote:
I feel there's a difference between: "gg" "leaving the game" and "rage quit", I mean if I don't feel I played a good game(gg) I leave the game without a saying gg (since it means good game), but doesn't mean I ragequit.. Though as a terran and my opponent GG's for me I take it offensively and drag the game as long as I can.
In my opinion you misinterpret what it means to type "gg" before you leave. All it is supposed to do is to show respect for your opponent because he outplayed you. It even makes you feel better yourself, because if you accept his victory and show some respect to the opponent, it makes it less painful to lose to him. If he won by cheese, which some people may consider BM, you could still leave without saying gg, I guess most people would at least understand that.
A few days ago there was an interesting thread on manners, discussing all this "gg" stuff. Maybe you want to go there, because the OP actually referred to something completely different.
Concerning the topic, I do not think there is a good way to force a gg. If they don't have much left anyway, just go and kill it. If you have "3 Factories, 3 Starports, 6 Bases, 2 golds and are maxed", just go and kill him, what's the problem with that.
Asking someone to leave or even type "gg" after you killed his army is something that I consider highly insulting and BM. In addition, that won't get you anywhere anyway.
Not cheesing, being polite yourself, maybe have a little chat in early game or so - that's probably the best you can do in order to have people leave when they're actually done.
Edit: Hell yeah, the trick to suggest you're trying to do achievements and actually want him to stay is probably worth a try as well.
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On ladder, to be honest unless im playing vs someone I know/someone big in the community (a top 200 player with tournament results).. then chances are I dont GG after a game, regardless if I win or loss, or how the game went.
I just look at it as I want to get in the next game or watch the replay as quick as possible. I dont consider that "ragequitting"... ragequitting is only for tournaments when you dont GG. Ladder is just ladder, you play one game then goto the next asap.
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Get a mothership or bcs or something. The only time it really sucks is on a map with islands. It's fun to get mass Vikings and land them all on them though.
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On February 20 2011 13:40 Leeoku wrote:
for me, expect gg's only 1v1
me too. in team games, people usually dont gg, and i have no problem with it. in fact, i have no problem if ppl dont gg in 1v1s, simply because after all, it's the internet.
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Who cares if someone doesn't gg? I mean, I can see being frustrated with people lifting off and turreting up to waste your time, but not gging isn't a big deal. If that's really a problem, you're seriously lacking in social skills.
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I think the most BM way for a gg situation to occur is that the WINNER says 'gg' first. It's cocky, rude and implies a 'I won u suck' feeling. Another situation that I consider BM is asking the loser 'Please gg'. Basically the unwritten rule to say 'gg' the polite way is to let the suspected loser 'gg' first as they would be the one to know first whether or not its truly over.
On February 20 2011 16:17 hmunkey wrote:
Who cares if someone doesn't gg? I mean, I can see being frustrated with people lifting off and turreting up to waste your time, but not gging isn't a big deal. If that's really a problem, you're seriously lacking in social skills.
It's not a MAJOR big deal, and I wouldn't call it BM. I would call it RAGE STAY. Lacking social skills really has nothing to do with this.
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There's nothing you can do but win the game in some situations.
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On February 20 2011 13:53 fadestep wrote:
Stop cheesing and it won't be a problem xD
Hah, basically.
Sadly enough, there also seems to be a huge positive correlation between people who say "gl hf" at the start and people who cheese. I wonder if these people understand what those letters mean. I'd quit SC before I'd GG a cheeser.
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What's GG ?
How many people know's the ladder habits !
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People who get anal about gg's and complain about manner are often times worse off then their opponent in terms of personality. If you actually feel justified in making a thread about the topic it must bug you immensely, understand that some people have different ways of dealing with things and if they don't accept the mannerisms of saying gg at the end then that should be perfectly acceptable.
Instead of targeting your opponent you really should consider some self reflection as to why it bugs you or if it's just a means to belittle your enemy even more
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On February 20 2011 13:10 Quineotio wrote:
If I've clearly won I normally say GG. A lot of the time they'll GG back and leave. If they're clearly doing delay tactics, I generally try to annoy them out of the game, or at least have some fun before they leave.
"You can still win, keep trying!!!!"
"You can still kill me, just build more cannons!!!!"
"This is awesome, I'm having so much fun! It reminds me of when I was in bronze"
"Wait, don't leave! I want to kill the rest of your stuff."
"My favourite part of this game was when I killed your base."
Ummm if you GG before they GG, ofcourse they aren't going to leave. I am pretty BM and talk a lot of shit before leaving, but I always leave. If you GG me when you "think you've won", I will make you kill every last one of my buildings, even the extractors I scattered around the map.
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I don't consider the people leaving itself bm. Only if they talk smack before leaving does it goad on me. But more likely than not ~95% say either gg or just leave.
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I like doing the opposite. i leave like one worker alive for him to let him rebuild then i kill him again with like drones or something. funnn
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Honestly, the best suggestion I've heard is to just say "mind staying, I need to farm X achievement". If they leave, then you got what you want. If not, you can always try and befriend them, as they may be a decent sort of person.
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Earlier in this thread, you guys were talking about how to handle when people delay their loss.
I wanted to chime in to say that I love that part of the game. I would want it go on for longer. Being at the point where the enemy is too behind to catch up, having him stay in the game is just wonderful. That's where the fun part is. The longer they stay in the game and delay, the more skilled you look in comparison.
I hope for all game-ending delayers to continue what they do.
Also, one great thing I have liked to do is not attack when the guy is doing a delay method. Why finish off the game when you are chewing away at someone's belief of their game skill?
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On February 20 2011 17:24 Megaman wrote:
Earlier in this thread, you guys were talking about how to handle when people delay their loss.
I wanted to chime in to say that I love that part of the game. I would want it go on for longer. Being at the point where the enemy is too behind to catch up, having him stay in the game is just wonderful. That's where the fun part is. The longer they stay in the game and delay, the more skilled you look in comparison.
I hope for all game-ending delayers to continue what they do.
Also, one great thing I have liked to do is not attack when the guy is doing a delay method. Why finish off the game when you are chewing away at someone's belief of their game skill?
^ This.
I find it most disappointing when the other team leaves immediately. Probably 75% of team games don't go late game. So it's fun screwing around with infesters, broodlords etc while they throw 40 supply armies at you.
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This is a tough one... I guess reassure them that you are a sad pathetic loser with no life? Convince them that you're in fact a cheesy player with lesser skills? Agree and expand on whatever insults they throw at you? You'll be hoping they get bored with bashing you that they eventually leave.
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Tech to air and don't let it bother you...
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nothing better in a game then doing an archon toilet. it's the most satisphying feeling in the world. though it's a lot less usefull on scrap and temple with their gay islands, but possible.
<3 archon toilets.
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I like to say
"you're not bad, I just have one tip"
"work on your gg timing"
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Don't expect a "GG" if you're laddering. I mean, come on, it's not obligatory to give a "gg". Manners yes, but it's not a requirement.
You expect the opponent to tell you "good game" after On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:
a quick push
(*cough* 4 gate shenanigans)? Tough, tough.
I mean i got replies like "all terrans are fags" when i bunker up to hold off a cannon rush. I just rofl irl and move on.
Edit (have more to say!):
That being said, if the Terran decides to float and try to rebuild, it gives you all the time in the world to make motherships/carriers/brood lords/5 CCs into planetary fortress/nukes. A lovely way to mess with a bad mannered person and spoil his day.
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On February 20 2011 16:58 Whomp wrote:
People who get anal about gg's and complain about manner are often times worse off then their opponent in terms of personality. If you actually feel justified in making a thread about the topic it must bug you immensely, understand that some people have different ways of dealing with things and if they don't accept the mannerisms of saying gg at the end then that should be perfectly acceptable.
Instead of targeting your opponent you really should consider some self reflection as to why it bugs you or if it's just a means to belittle your enemy even more
He is complaining about people not leaving a game when they lost everything except floating buildings, not really about people not saying "gg".
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On February 20 2011 12:55 Nightfall.589 wrote:
There really isn't one, they are happy to waste your time.
I suppose you could ask nicely, but chances are, your team will beat you to the punch with profanities.
I think this pretty much sums it up. Obviously being BM will only fuel their desire to drag out the game but ultimately you cannot sweet talk them into a GG because they are frustrated/angered. If, however, you do find a way to charm people into leaving, please share.
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i only gg if the game really was good, i dont like to lie. if the opponent cheeses and i still win, i just laugh at them
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This whole matter is pretty simple, I think.
Get your speed up by having a little chat with your opponent, shake hands, treat eachother as humans, which goes beyond the robotic "HF GL". Perhaps this is personal - hf, gl and gg just piss me off as to me they seem meaningless - but it seems to work: show some true manners, remind eachother you're not a bot, and this won't happen.
Sure, some people will still stretch a game after you know they don't stand a chance. Those moments I try to keep in mind I enjoy kicking their asses, and maybe they enjoy attempting a hopeless comeback. To everyone their own.
Edit, to clarify further:
On February 20 2011 19:02 Schnake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:55 Nightfall.589 wrote:
There really isn't one, they are happy to waste your time.
I suppose you could ask nicely, but chances are, your team will beat you to the punch with profanities. I think this pretty much sums it up. Obviously being BM will only fuel their desire to drag out the game but ultimately you cannot sweet talk them into a GG because they are frustrated/angered. If, however, you do find a way to charm people into leaving, please share.
In these severe cases you fucked up long before. You frustrated/angered them and probably showed you enjoy this. Both of you have descended to a pre-school level where this stuff can happen. If you don't like it, prevent it. As said "glgl" or "hfgl" or "hfhfhflgfllghlflglfghfl" just piss me off to start with, this has nothing to do with manners.
Concerning my own behaviour in all of this, I never face people acting as such. At the same time, I never say any of the "standardised manner-words". Hell, if that's the limit of my oppononents communication skills, I happily leave without saying anything. Not because I'm mad, but because I never got the impression playing versus another human.
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I find mass Ravens to be a hilarious way to make someone leave out of pure shame.
I quite like the smack talking that multiplayer often devolves into so i'm quite happy to verbally spar with an opponent at the end of a game. I never really understood why people take "BM" so seriously, it's just a game on the internet after all.
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On February 20 2011 19:16 Kazang wrote:
I find mass Ravens to be a hilarious way to make someone leave out of pure shame.
I quite like the smack talking that multiplayer often devolves into so i'm quite happy to verbally spar with an opponent at the end of a game. I never really understood why people take "BM" so seriously, it's just a game on the internet after all.
It's just a game on the internet, it's fine to act like a dick. You truly make battle.net a more enjoyable place. Right on.
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I used to say gg to everyone but when you are laddering..it doesn't even mean anything.
You try some new shit and he rolls you - is that a good game? no
You fail horribly - is that a good game? no
He does something super cheesy, fails, makes something incredibly cheesy again and wins (because he is protoss)& you fail and let him win - is that a good game? no
It's not ragequitting, saying gg when the game clearly isn't good makes no sense on ladder.
When both players play well or I encounter a new or well executed strategy/tactic I say gg and wp.
Tournaments are different IMO, you should've trained to play your best there, everygame should be a good game by you.
You expect gg in random teamgames?
That's just not going to happen.
BM and drawing the game out I don't really understand.
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I've found that quietly and politely reminding them that they are not just wasting my time, but their own aswell, and also stating, truthfully that I have all the time in the world, helps quite often, they dont gg, but atleast they leave faster.
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On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered
That's the flaw in your thinking. It's more like 1% is well mannered.
I personally don't say anything at all when I ladder. Too bad I can't just disable the chat entirely. You'd be amazed how many people get angry at people who don't say anything.
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Did anyone read the OP? He's not asking for ways to convince people to say GG as they leave, he's trying to get people to actually leave. The GG is incidental.
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Don't say a word. Very few people are going to hang around and piss off somebody that for all intents and purposes hasn't shown themselves to care. Be a computer.
Alternatively, be super nice and chatty throughout the game.
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That's the thing, there's no way you're gonna force the BM player to just leave instead of lift off and stalling. Other than killing off all their buildings. They're stupid that way.
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I usually g.g. 90% of the time (I dont when i rage).
If i played terran i would definitely lift off and delay game if some1 offensive gg'd me. Counter bm with bm.
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On February 20 2011 16:58 Whomp wrote:
People who get anal about gg's and complain about manner are often times worse off then their opponent in terms of personality. If you actually feel justified in making a thread about the topic it must bug you immensely, understand that some people have different ways of dealing with things and if they don't accept the mannerisms of saying gg at the end then that should be perfectly acceptable.
Instead of targeting your opponent you really should consider some self reflection as to why it bugs you or if it's just a means to belittle your enemy even more
Wow, this is really the worst post I have yet seen on TL, I feel urged to quote it.
How about you people all read the OP. Read the WHOLE POST and not only the title. What the heck is it with you guys? Why are you posting here at all? It's seriously annoying. You voluntarily misinterpret the OP because it gives you a good chance to rant and get your post count up, I suppose? There are so many unqualified, simply stupid posts in this thread, I can't believe it.
I believe no one here is interested in your opinions, if you can't even bear to read the OP, letalone the answers of former writers, because there have been quite some competent people around who either gave good answers to the OP or further explained what he meant, so people like you stop writing off-topic rants that are completely pointless.
As for the topic, I have already stated everything a page or 2 ago. If you are actually interested in the topic, I strongly suggest you go back and read my post. It was rather long, but I think it elaborates on the OP's concerns quite well.
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I dont see why i should gg every game. When I dont think it was a "good" game (4gate) and I leave the game without saying "gg" Im not being intentionally bm, im not ragequiting, Im just leaving the game to play a selfdemanding opponent.
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Instead of wasting time trying to convince them to leave, just get some air and kill their stuff. It takes like, 3-5 minutes max, since you can stop all other production.
Also, it astonishes me how many people reply without actually reading the, maybe a bit badly worded, OP. The OP is not obsessed about getting his enemies to say GG when they lost, he wants them to stop wasting everyones time and leave. Which, while maybe a good idea, is actually hard to achieve. Also, it is not that easy to realize when you have lost or won most of the time, especially in lower level games.
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I think that there is many new players that don't know anything about g.g. You might think they are rage-quitting, but maybe they don't know that you say g.g.
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On February 20 2011 13:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:On February 20 2011 12:54 samboi wrote:
I have found that quite alot recently especially during team games that some players just quite simply refuse to GG and leave, even after a quick push that feels like it shud be over it 10 mins you always get the terran who will ift off go to island and start trying to rebuild just dragging the game out longer.
Now i am finding alot of the time also that my team can be quite BM (bad mannered) towards the ones not leaving the game and this can sometimes tip them over the edge of lifting off every building into the corners of the map, making it take really long just to end the game, if a player is trying something new or thinks he actually stands half a chance fair enough, but what is the best appraoch towards these players who just dont know when to give up?
PLEASE leave constructive comments, the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered i wish for it to stay this way, for people who come across this problem to use what they read in this thread instead of ripping into them.
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered" Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's. This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in. people who ragequit are usually new to the community. poeple who played BW before are good mannered,its all the new guys I tell you.
AAAhEEeeMmidra... Oh sorry, I have a cold.
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On February 20 2011 19:55 Rawr wrote:
I think that there is many new players that don't know anything about g.g. You might think they are rage-quitting, but maybe they don't know that you say g.g.
Oh......my.........GOD
" head explodes"
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You spam BM him, and draw out the game.
Then you spam BM him after, and block him.
He'll feel raged at losing AND getting BM while losing AND being blocked and unable to reply at all.
And that'll make you feel better too =)
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I think the term 'gg' is overused. Personally, I only say gg after what I think was a 'good game'.
Whenever I get cheesed/allined or something like that, I just leave (you may also call it ragequit).
Whenever I lose a game where I felt I lost because my opponent played better, I say gg.
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why say GG if it wasn't a GG? i mean it is kind of lying if you GG and clearly don't mean it/
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Please read the OP thoroughly before posting your opinion on whether you should say "gg" or not. This is not what the thread is about, holy cow...
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My only advice is to try not taking it personally. I've rage quit before, who hasn't. I'm not mad at the other player, it's usually frustration I feel at the game itself. Like losing a game because someone dropped one tanks and 4 marines on your cliff on lost temple. Even though I had units to provide vision and kill it, it does so much damage that I can't survive the next series of pushes. Or when I scout a hellion drop, position stalkers around my mineral lines and still loose the game because, I loose so many workers in 1 or 2 volleys of hellion fire that the game becomes a no win situation. It's extremely frustrating. Or when I scout an early pool (at 7 or 8) and I have to make such a severe reaction to stop losses, that if my opponent just makes 6 lings and goes into a normal game after that he gets an expansion and a bunch of hydras and roach out way before I can get colossus. Most of the time I'll just gg and be on my way. But if I just got cheesed 3 games in a row, I'm usually not in a good mood and have no intention of calling the game good anymore. There are just some abusive and overpowered (IMO) cheesy strategies in this game that are infuriating. Mainly because even when scouted, the way that I can handle them, with the options available at that point in the game are counterproductive to a macro game. Often, there are situations where it seems like I have to blind counter a build or suffer a lot of damage, because it comes between the time when my scouting probe gets forced out and my obs couldn't possibly have been produced and crossed the map yet. For example, the stim marine with 1 emp rush, if I make too many sentries which is exactly what I need for an early mm rush, and they get 1 good emp off it does so much damage their next push will win. Or in many of these situations it just means my opponent can safely expo way before me and I loose in a long game. But there is no way to scout it. So, all I can say is don't take it personally, most of the time people are hating the game not the players.
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i only gg when i lose 1v1. (fyi i don't go around hiding buildings etc, i just leave when it's lost)
i don't see the point of gg-ing in 2v2 or above because:
1. it's non competitive.
2. you sure 2v2 or above is a good game?
3. i really still don't see how is it bm.
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The best approach is useually to start making air unts when it's obvious you have one. this way they cant hide.
It's generally a good strategy to make them GG
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You can try to ask them something to the effect of "do you really think you can still win?" and maybe they'll leave or explain themselves. Sometimes a little talk works wonders against rage and turns pissed-off "imba" claims into a discussion of strategy.
Otherwise, just kill 'em. It doesn't take that long. If they shittalk you and you don't want to hear it, block it.
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Some people simply consider it equally BM to do nothing but one base all-in's or timing pushes just because it's teamgames and will gladly annoy you to no end when you use it against them.
I get annoyed like fuck when my team gets a quadruple 7 pooling team since there's simply no fun in it for either team. I play teamgames for the epic and huge battles, the ability to do weird strategies and odd unit compositions. Not so I can cheese my way to rank 1 diamond when there's no gain from doing so.
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On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered"
Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's.
This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in.
Because everything that isnt a gg is a ragequit. =/
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after you do some dmg, type gg yourself
comes across like you're a prick but i noticed they often quit after that
maybe they just don't really understand that they lost, and after they see you say gg they see the light.
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I don't think you have a good way of doing that. It's a danger that comes with playing...
The only game i was really bm so far was when i was in a bad position after a banshee rush, and my oppenent said something along the lines of "gg, could you please leave". In my opinion that was very rude, i got pissed with him and as a consequence i dragged the game out as long as possible (without him saying so i would have gg'ed two minutes later, because of it it took an additional 10).
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I don't get how leaving without a GG is bad mannered, sometimes it is not a good game because I made a huge mistake so i leave without saying "GG".
I honestly only say GG when it was actually a good game! and i don't get offended when people "offensive" GG me or leave without saying anything!.
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I GG when i think it was a good game really its that simple.
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On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg.
Preemptive gg makes me lift off to a corner and waste his time. Say wp rather or something, because gg is like saying "just leave, you've lost", which should be my decision not yours.
About the subject itself, well just kill the buildings. There's no real solution to liftoff or someone fighting until he's sent out of the game. I mean it is obviously his right to try to win/draw through any means possible... Just make sure to scout all bases, since especially chatty people can be sneaky like that, distracting you while making a new base 
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Well if someone BMs me, like types GG when he's winning, then sure i'll lift up all my buildings, send them flying and just alt tab out.
The only thing you can do is not BM, just be nice, if even then they dont want to GG, then who cares?
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On February 20 2011 20:27 T0fuuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered"
Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's.
This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in. Because everything that isnt a gg is a ragequit. =/
Better to Idra-quit - just leave when you clearly lost and start a new game without wasting any more time.
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I think just saying "gg" regardless of what kind of stretch/bm thing went on is the best and only thing to get it back. All other ways are going to encourage continuation of that behavior, given the whole "this r teh internetz" mentality thing.
StarCraft 2 is a (almost perfectly - didn't know how to describe it, but you get my point) balanced strategy game. Whatever happens that enrages you, happens within a certain set of rules of the game. I feel this relates strong to my/anyone's problem with "cheese". In essence it doesn't really exist, but it's annoying if it happens to you. And it feels great when you survive it and win the game. But really, it happened within the rules of the game. So yeah, scout better next time, or try opening up to change your strategies.
So yeah, the Terran floating off to the island expo, stretching for another 5 to 10 minutes isn't going to fill your day with happiness by any means. But going to force someone to give up (saying "gg" yourself first might push that Terran to think about them missile turrets first, to ensure the maximum amount of stretching!) via chatting with text, on the internet, where we are anonymous, is most likely not going to get you that "gg" from him. Showing that you however are mannered, might give the other party insight on how it could also be. While it won't benefit you directly in that game, it might at some point in the future.
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I'm a big fan of PsY's OFFENSIVE GG.
I don't think there's anyway to make someone who's kind of BM to GG..
But if people are floating around and not quitting get something to attack them, shift click the buildings and go on YouTube 
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You play ladder for points, getting a GG is only polite and you'll only get one if the opponent genuinly thinks it was a good game most of the time. But if you get your points in the long run why would it matter if your opponent said GG or not?
The only time I find it disrespectful to not gg is when playing customs or in tournaments. And even then I do not mind if someone just leaves after being cheesed or 1aed.
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On February 20 2011 20:43 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg. Preemptive gg makes me lift off to a corner and waste his time. Say wp rather or something, because gg is like saying "just leave, you've lost", which should be my decision not yours. About the subject itself, well just kill the buildings. There's no real solution to liftoff or someone fighting until he's sent out of the game. I mean it is obviously his right to try to win/draw through any means possible... Just make sure to scout all bases, since especially chatty people can be sneaky like that, distracting you while making a new base
Pretty much this.
There's been several games where I'm just about to gg when my opponent gives an offensive one. If you do that you better be prepared for playing as long of a game that I can make it. If you feel like someone is hanging in the game to long, try actually talking to the person instead of bm-ing your way to victory. That's my two cents.
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One thing i have noticed lately is that when your opponent loses and actually says GG he'll instantly pause the game after that just to make sure that you have time to GG back lol, they really want that GG back.
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On February 20 2011 21:06 grobo wrote:
One thing i have noticed lately is that when your opponent loses and actually says GG he'll instantly pause the game after that just to make sure that you have time to GG back lol, they really want that GG back.
Or maybe he just missclicked surrender button? lol
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to be honest you dont have to GG, GG means good game, if you get cheesed or what ever it might not be a good game from your perspective.
Edit: you could alway just get one of these: ggbutton.com
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I almost never gg or type glhf in the beginning simply due to the fact that I don't wish my opponents good luck and I don't care whether they are having fun or not (if they are playing zerg then they probably arent), also most of my games aren't good games. What's so good about being bunker rushed or someone sitting on 2 bases and trying to get vray colossi out - nothing. However, I do gg if I think someone played really, really well and impressed me ingame, that happens very rarely though.
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I really don't think there's a polite way to force someone who's used to being BMed to GG.
On another note: do you really think it's bad mannered NOT to type GG? Having a WC3 background, I am familiar with the social conventions of RTS game, but I really don't think one should lie just for the sake of being nice. For instance, I rarely ever type GL at the start of the game. I just really don't wish my opponents are lucky. I wish them a good game, I wish them to have fun, but not having luck. Same goes for GG - I really don't think it's a good game if I get Marine/SCV'ed the 91273120389th time in a row, so I certainly won't type it.
TL;DR: is the GG really a necessity for good manners, if you just didn't think it was a good game?
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For me the best way to get an annoying opponent to leave is to write something like "cmon this was a pretty good game/intense fights/whatever" - give them the feeling you appreciate their performance, even if you don't because they aren't capable of dealing with a loss. Notice that this is completely different from the pre-emptive GG which means nothing else than "just leave you stupid moron, I've stomped your sorry ass, now stop wasting my time".
Obviously it doesn't work all the time, but I've gotten quite some "yeah you're right, wp" in response followed by 'has left the game'.
If your opponents act like a 10 year old - treat them like one! Give them a little treat so they feel comfortable and profit.
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When I play 4v4 and they go for quadruple Baneling bust versus one ramp with two players,I leave without GG too and try some shenanigans too (aka warping pylons all around the map). The team games have a feeling that the better cheese/all-in wins. Why would You GG when somebody put zero effort into win and You were taught nothing? "Oh,I should double bunker my ramp,mass marines and get owned by 2base Protoss"
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I don't think it's possible to force someone to give a gg and leave if they don't want to. Their goal is to piss you off and it seems like it's working too. Plenty of players have done it to me and I have also done it plenty of times myself, it's just part of the game and you have to deal with it.
Technically if this situation occurs in 1v1, it's possible to win if you float away all your buildings and that 1% chance the extra 10 minutes or whatever will buy you enough time for your opponent to randomly drop from bad connection or whatever.
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if people gg for you that is really bm ^^, normally i lift then and fly towards the edges and wait for another reaction and otherwise tell them that bm people never get ggs before i leave (sigh i am to nice).
If someone tryes to rebuild they probably see a chance of coming back, maybe because they didn't scouted how far you are ahead etc, or they want to test something. I guess bming someone only makes them bm you as well. So if you think you are so far ahead giving them informations help (not lying ofcourse).
And for the people lifting buildings ... air units are there in no time so i don't see an issue there ... as those people often don't react anyway, because they went afk
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On February 20 2011 13:09 DM20 wrote:
I don't GG a lot of the time out of sheer laziness.
Death shall await thee! But then again,saying gg would not change that
Seriously though, I think we need to distinguish between the StarCraft community, and the sum of StarCraft players. Those are different things - only those with a sense of community are part of it.
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On February 20 2011 21:11 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 21:06 grobo wrote:
One thing i have noticed lately is that when your opponent loses and actually says GG he'll instantly pause the game after that just to make sure that you have time to GG back lol, they really want that GG back. Or maybe he just missclicked surrender button? lol
I'm sure that's the case sometimes too, but i actually asked and they were waiting for a GG.
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On February 20 2011 20:52 Somnolence wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 20:27 T0fuuu wrote:On February 20 2011 12:56 stevarius wrote:
" the SC community on a whole is quite well mannered"
Wishful thinking, but I get ragequits more than I get gg's.
This trend has spanned over all leagues I've played in. Because everything that isnt a gg is a ragequit. =/ Better to Idra-quit - just leave when you clearly lost and start a new game without wasting any more time.
EXACTLY.. the only time I consider it "ragequitting" is if you dont GG in a TOURNAMENT, with thousands watching on streams/money on the line. Thats not cool..
But ladder is a different story. You play your game, and just get out to the next one. no point wasting time chitchatting.
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The best way to get a gg is to ask for a regame.
I think you take "GG" too seriously.
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I find receiving or sending GGs in every match is superficial. Obviously most games are nothing out of the ordinary, and the GOOD ones are rare. After 800 games played, i don think i could nominate more than 20 as good play on both parts.
I don't gg unless he had some nice attacks, drops, strategies or the match was close all the time. Those are my standards and i won't ignore them to fit the non-BM cliche.
Oh and i really dont understand why getting a GG would matter. Do you really need motivation or what?
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What's the most funny that 90% of people in this thread didn't even understand what OP said in his post.
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First rule - never type gg for them as it may offend them and make them prolong the game further. I feel like "please leave" should be sufficient, though it may sound impolite to some people. I always make sure I type gg and leave as soon as I know I've lost - usually throwing some last scans to see how many bases my opps have. Sometimes I ask before gg how many production structures they had. I seldom get a response and never wait for it for too long. Also I never wait for them to gg back.
I once destroyed one of the opp's main, he immediately rebuilt his base elsewhere. His teammate has fallen so he was left with one base vs four and two armies. I scanned one of the unused mains spot his base and saw that he had nothing but fresh buildings. I didn't even move my army I typed "come on" and he left at that point.
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I find it more bad mannred to lie in your opponents face and tell them it was a good game; if it was a horrible game.
Actually i don't really gg on ladder unless i do something like forget pool, or make a ton of lings to runby and notice he made a perfect wall, then i gg just to inform him that it wasen't a disconnect, but that he actually won (Even though i beat myself)
Offensive gg is like saying "Hey, i beat you, no matter what you do now, you'll have lost" which means i stay to the last second in the game, really, don't expect to slap me on the cheek and have me obey you blindly.
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GG was invented by Husky to get him youtube views on Idras videos
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One thing I do not understand is taking a contact on someone who didn't GG after losing to you.
They have bad day and lose due to lag or stupid mistake and in adrenaline leave game without gg. Then YOU come and start spamming irritatin' shit about manners or BM yourself by telling he is bad etc.
Also in teamgames i used not to GG because it too like 3-4 presses of buttons to get into actual -All- chat (Now I know you can acces this via shift-enter). Nor I took them serious enough to care be well mannered when all I do with friends is to have fun (notice I didnt mean we being badmannered by talking shit or staying in game too long).
E: I'd take it as _little_ BM from my opponent to say GG after winning a battle. I've stood more than twice in a game just longer because of it which probably wasn't very mannered from me either.
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On February 20 2011 23:30 Alpina wrote:
What's the most funny that 90% of people in this thread didn't even understand what OP said in his post.
not really, the op question is dumb, the approach ("polite way to obtain") also, so the next reasonable thing to do is just chit-chat around the subject.
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Just don't talk at all and play the game. The objective is to destroy all of the their buildings. If they don't leave before you do that, then you just have to win the old fashioned way.
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In team games, my teammate and I will always leave once the loss is obvious unless the other team comes out obnoxiously by saying something like "LOL RAPED!". At that point we will build as many random buildings as possible in the most random positions, minimize and take the time to refill our beers.
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On February 20 2011 13:24 Oxb wrote:
I feel there's a difference between: "gg" "leaving the game" and "rage quit", I mean if I don't feel I played a good game(gg) I leave the game without a saying gg (since it means good game), but doesn't mean I ragequit.. Though as a terran and my opponent GG's for me I take it offensively and drag the game as long as I can.
I would still GG in that situation. Not GGing because you believe you played poorly is effectively saying to your opponent "you didn't win because you played well, you won because I played poorly", which is pretty disrespectful.
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why? how can a game be good when one side plays poor?
The premise directly contradicts the conclusion.
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I gg every game even if I get six pooled.
It's a courtesy thing. I don't not hold the door for people I don't like.
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I have never understood this obsession with the "gg".
As long as someone doesnt bm his opponent or starts the imbalance whine everything is ok for me.
Imo its much more bm to annoy an opponent after the game by texting stuff like "why no gg?", often leading to a lengthy discussion that is quite pointless.
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I will usually gg unless its a team game and my team mates played horrible. Then i am to frustrated at my team to be nice to the other team.
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I only "gg" games that are worth it. I don't understand why everyone has to type "gg" especially the pros.
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PvT on Delta Quadrant. I see him skip gas and sit on 1rax so he was going for FE. Since FE is widely open, I 4gated with sentry heavy when his bunkers just started and he lost the game. By the way, he seemed nice and good mannered in the beginning.
Then I msg him after the game
Me: "Hey man, not nice to not to GG"
Him: "Fuck you"
Then I met that dude 2nd time on ladder right after he lost that DQ game and it was on DQ. So he went for 1-1-1 and I FE with robo. I was sitting on 4 bases, while he was on 3. Both of us macro up and I push with hallucinated colossi and other shit. He losses really badly and just leaves again. This kinda irritated me because I thought I deserved the GG from that fag.
His name: FireFistAce http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/686347/FireFistAce
Can't believe he is in masters league ...
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Best approach is to say "Why're you still here?"
That usually gets them to leave.
Or the offensive gg as you're tearing through their base will usually do the trick
Edited: By the way, when you message someone after the game and ask for a GG, that's just as BM. Not that I care if you BM or not, but if you're being serious about, "Well gee, he seemed nice in the beginning so I was hoping for one, so I message him after I won." Yeah, no, that's BM on your part.
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On February 20 2011 16:58 Whomp wrote:
People who get anal about gg's and complain about manner are often times worse off then their opponent in terms of personality. If you actually feel justified in making a thread about the topic it must bug you immensely, understand that some people have different ways of dealing with things and if they don't accept the mannerisms of saying gg at the end then that should be perfectly acceptable.
Instead of targeting your opponent you really should consider some self reflection as to why it bugs you or if it's just a means to belittle your enemy even more
i Think you have totally misunderstood the point of the post, i have 2500 games and all in all recon that 3-4 hours maybe more have been spent building up to air hunting buildings in the corners of the maps, chasing single probes around the map cus he wants to lay down pylons until the bitter end, now i could be a dick head and GG i have won now leave, but i dont wanna be BM and also i have seen that doing this has the opposite effect.
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"gg wp" (if well played, otherwise just "gg")
explain why he won and why I lost.
Eg: if I was out macro-ed, I will say so. I will congratulate him for having a good mechanic such as this.
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The quickest way to win the game is to kill all their building. If I get the inkling that they are the type that float their structure to the edge, always make sure you kill their command center first. No problem with the other 2 race. There is no way you can force people to gg unless they want to .
Unless you are a sadist then you can probably toy with your opponent and have some fun yourself. I suggest trying mass planatery fortress, mass auto-turret, mass nukes, writing in his base with units and structures, etc. Probably not very mannered but from my experience there is a 4 out of 5 chance that they will leave faster.
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ive had someone type "gg" to me after i beat them in a battle... but they didnt leave the game
so i kept playing and 5 minutes later i attack again, this time doing critical damage. they go "gg" and im like "for real this time?"
guy goes "oh i wasnt quitting, only saying that this was a good game so far."
i guess thats one use of it ;\
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On February 21 2011 03:11 LesPhoques wrote:PvT on Delta Quadrant. I see him skip gas and sit on 1rax so he was going for FE. Since FE is widely open, I 4gated with sentry heavy when his bunkers just started and he lost the game. By the way, he seemed nice and good mannered in the beginning. Then I msg him after the game Me: "Hey man, not nice to not to GG" Him: "Fuck you" Then I met that dude 2nd time on ladder right after he lost that DQ game and it was on DQ. So he went for 1-1-1 and I FE with robo. I was sitting on 4 bases, while he was on 3. Both of us macro up and I push with hallucinated colossi and other shit. He losses really badly and just leaves again. This kinda irritated me because I thought I deserved the GG from that fag. His name: FireFistAce http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/686347/FireFistAceCan't believe he is in masters league ...
you really felt the need to bug him after the game and say "not nice to not GG"... then you expect to get any response OTHER than "Fuck you"???
Seriously?? Do you really think thats manner to bug someone after a LADDER game about them not GG'ing? Odds are, the guy just wanted to get on with his next game as fast as possible, not wait around and have you say "So, why arent you congratulating me on how much I kicked your ass??".. unreal.
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On February 21 2011 03:11 supersoft wrote:
I only "gg" games that are worth it. I don't understand why everyone has to type "gg" especially the pros.
Because different people have different views of what games are "worth" it.
People take themselves too seriously.
Most of the people that say they don't "gg" "unless it is a good game" typically tend to be the type where they always want to blame their loss on something, or are generally BM. Often times when I chat with people after game they have to say some cynical remark like "I would have won if "x" didn't happen" or "you're so lucky x happened". They have that holier than thou attitude. Apparently manners and having fun playing the game is too much to wrap their head around. I guess that is why most of the good players tend to say gg. They acknowledge that their opponent did better than them that game and try to learn from their mistakes. Sort of a congratulations, I guess. Not the fat nerdy "wow I'm not saying gg it wasn't a good game man w/e" attitude.
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i just mass OC and call down mules in their base. pretty polite imo the mules are harmless
Faust, i know the type. Played some high diamond zerg who wasn't any good and at the end of the game, he said i'm so lucky cause he forgot bling speed. And he kept saying how lucky I was while he died lol
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People say gg a lot less in team games than in 1v1s. probably about 80% of my 1v1s the person gl hfs at the beginning and ggs at the end. about 15% dont say anything and the other 5% either BM or just say some random ass shit.
So I would say people respect players who play 1v1 a lot more because it's more of a serious match of skill whereas team games are played more just for funsies and someone can turtle and make 30 void rays then its gg. And at that point everyone is ridiculously pissed that one douche sat there and made 30 void rays that they'll make pylons everywhere or lift their buildings.
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On February 21 2011 03:11 supersoft wrote:
I only "gg" games that are worth it. I don't understand why everyone has to type "gg" especially the pros.
have you ever watched tennis, soccer, basketball, ice hockey or any other sport for that matter? people shake hands, say something nice or do/say something in the spirit of sportsmanship.
gg is the equivalence in sc and a lot of other games. if you think saying gg is actually exclusive to the "good games" (whatever that even means since it's highly subjective) then you have missed something.
pros say it and you should too in the spirit of sportsmanship.
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On February 21 2011 04:10 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 03:11 supersoft wrote:
I only "gg" games that are worth it. I don't understand why everyone has to type "gg" especially the pros. Because different people have different views of what games are "worth" it. People take themselves too seriously. Most of the people that say they don't "gg" "unless it is a good game" typically tend to be the type where they always want to blame their loss on something, or are generally BM. Often times when I chat with people after game they have to say some cynical remark like "I would have won if "x" didn't happen" or "you're so lucky x happened". They have that holier than thou attitude. Apparently manners and having fun playing the game is too much to wrap their head around. I guess that is why most of the good players tend to say gg. They acknowledge that their opponent did better than them that game and try to learn from their mistakes. Sort of a congratulations, I guess. Not the fat nerdy "wow I'm not saying gg it wasn't a good game man w/e" attitude.
you'd be amazed some just have standards they adhere to. Then again, some might be cocky, you could do a poll instead of writing biased generalizations.
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If a terran player lifts off and goes to an island, I simply just take every expo build up to 200 supply and wait for him to leave. Hes the one wasting time since he already has the loss.
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I think some people think they can still win. If you can lift to an island and turtle and mass air and beat 7 computers, why not vs. humans? My roommate always still thinks he can win despite losing all his depots and such
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On February 21 2011 04:25 danielsan wrote:
you'd be amazed some just have standards they adhere to. Then again, some might be cocky, you could do a poll instead of writing biased generalizations.
I'm not really concerned about it.
I was just posting what the majority of my experiences have been like.
Not really sure what you expect me to say. Maybe if you pay me a few hundred I'll hire a research team and do some studies though.
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If people don't leave it isn't always because of rage. I mean sometimes it is, and tbh I always offensive gg in team games because I don't like dragging a game on longer then it needs to be. In 1v1 I do offensive gg, but it's different. I always wait till it's like guaranteed to be over and they know it. I'm pushing into their nat with a massive army and they have nothing. It's always at the last second too. Like I aim for it to be right before they would gg and after that point.
With regards to whether it's a gg or not, it doesn't matter. It's called being mannered and not a jerk. If I don't shake hands with the other team at the end of a soccer game, I'm a punk. They nearly took me out of the game, screw them. Deal with it, and shake their hands. gg after a game, regardless of whether you think it's ridiculous you lost.
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On February 20 2011 13:09 DM20 wrote:
I don't GG a lot of the time out of sheer laziness.
Well said. That is the reason for most non-ggers I would say.
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On February 21 2011 02:58 danielsan wrote:
why? how can a game be good when one side plays poor?
The premise directly contradicts the conclusion.
Saying gg has nothing to do with the game being good. It is about sportsmanship. Not saying gg is like refusing to shake hands with the opposing team after a hockey game. It is disrespectful.
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that's next to hypocrite imho.
i have nothing against, in the name of good sportmanship, saying "uga-chacka", "jeronimo", "for Uniden", "the horse is in the barn", or even doing and LCD high-five but why would i HAVE TO say GOOD GAME, or WELL PLAYED, even if i know it wasnt, and probably the opponent knows it too.
promoting this GG is just neutering competitive play.
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On February 21 2011 04:59 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 02:58 danielsan wrote:
why? how can a game be good when one side plays poor?
The premise directly contradicts the conclusion. Saying gg has nothing to do with the game being good. It is about sportsmanship. Not saying gg is like refusing to shake hands with the opposing team after a hockey game. It is disrespectful.
I would shake hands at lan but not gg online, im lazy and I dont have to gg in each game because you say that is polite to do so.
Deal with that, not everyone leaving without saying gg is raging.
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command that he stays, tell him that he's not allowed to leave, and that you want him to watch as you destroy his base, so he'll fully understand what you did to him
it's BM, but it gets the job done most of the time
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On February 21 2011 04:59 Mastermind wrote:
Saying gg has nothing to do with the game being good. It is about sportsmanship.
Exactly - but I for instance don't feel that ladder is about competition - for me it's mainly about improving myself, testing stuff and learning from my mistakes (training). I don't want to interact with the people i meet there unless they want to discuss strategies or the game and I even would prefer if there was some full dnd mode which deactivates ingame messages. However if people are really persistant about gl hf gg etc. i tend to find them pretty offensive and react in a way to it which is considered bm.
On the other hand i am always very friendly in tourneys, however i wouldn't mind if someone doesn't wish me gl or gg - i prefer honest statements over stupid standard phrases.
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The polite way to get your opponent to gg is to crush his soul with 200 banelings.
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Simply start the game with a GL HF
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I don't really mind if my opponent is being stubborn; it's a good opportunity to keep practicing my macro and steamroll him with the most ridiculous units.
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On February 21 2011 05:26 TrainFX wrote:
The polite way to get your opponent to gg is to crush his soul with 200 banelings.
400 banelings!
Also, it is *amazing* how many people are posting without actually reading the OP.
Some people are just going to be dicks when they lose, so macro up and win with mass <unused units>.
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On February 20 2011 13:01 absalom86 wrote:
Say " GG " for them. It usually makes them happy. Win 1 battle and then say gg.
You sure you want to do that?
There's once someone did that to me, bunker rush and used 4 rines to kill my lings, only thing is that my 6RR face slammed him right after he typed 'gg'.
I lost, however by laughing too hard and pulling my cable-off.
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On February 21 2011 05:10 Vernom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 04:59 Mastermind wrote:On February 21 2011 02:58 danielsan wrote:
why? how can a game be good when one side plays poor?
The premise directly contradicts the conclusion. Saying gg has nothing to do with the game being good. It is about sportsmanship. Not saying gg is like refusing to shake hands with the opposing team after a hockey game. It is disrespectful. I would shake hands at lan but not gg online, im lazy and I dont have to gg in each game because you say that is polite to do so. Deal with that, not everyone leaving without saying gg is raging.
I never said they were raging. You are right that you don't have to do something because I say it is polite. You can be disrespectful all you want. That is your choice to make. My post was pointing out the other poster's incorrect understanding of what gg means.
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I say something like "do you mind not wasting everyone's time, and only wasting your own now?"
Seriously it's like some people don't know the Surrender button exists. Waiting until I destroy the hidden pylon is so frustrating. I think a lot of people have a problem with giving out gg's.
On the other hand, I've been known to hide a barracks in the corner of a 4v4 game...so I guess I can see both sides
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On February 20 2011 13:04 ~Maverick~ wrote:
Say this: "Ok _______, please don't leave, me and my teammate are going to farm achievements now." The person will think that they are causing you an inconvenience by leaving, and you win. I don't know what you would do in a 1v1 though.
This is brilliance Reverse psychology ftw.
Giving them encouragement can also piss them off and make them leave.
"Keep trying, you still have a chance!"
I guess the more persistent ones will not leave no matter what you do. Just finish them off ASAP.
My friend always goes around building pointless pylons in 1v1 to piss me off, and will claim he won if I leave. That is really annoying. lol
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