I still get amazed when people call Blizzard ignorant. All of their changes affect so many people including people's income on the pro scene. So far I think they've done a great job with handling SC2 and I would love to see the maps on the ladder. GSTL really made me want to try out those maps.

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

February 15 2011 20:09 GMT

#22

On February 16 2011 05:00 compscidude wrote:
It would be wise for Blizzard to partner up with ICCUP.
This way SC2 will still feel fresh for a very long time just like SC did.
Hope they ackwnoledge that GSL is not going to be last forever and theres far more target group to focus than thoes hardcore gamers who watch GSL or are Dimond+ players.

ICCUP brings high quality maps almost so frequently that its incredible.
These guys truely deserve some spotlight in the SC2 community.

While I agree that iccup hasn't really been getting any attention and should I would rather both GSL/Iccup maps were added to map pools so its doubly refreshing. But i'll take either or at this point considering the maps.

Also are you saying that GSL's not going to exist anymore or what? Just confused with the "GSL is not going to be last forever" or did you mean "GSL is not going to last forever". Honestly if GSL dies thats bad for esports in general and I don't see them disappearing unless they get replaced which again I doubt.

avilo

United States4100 Posts

February 15 2011 20:10 GMT

#23

Hey, let's not push blizz too far lol. Let them make up their minds to be genius heroes and put in the GSL maps, THEN badger them about iccup maps ^_^

xza

Singapore1600 Posts

February 15 2011 20:15 GMT

#24

This is very good news. but honestly I've never trusted blizzard's balancing team after WoW. Anyone who plays WoW will know that blizzard will take atleast 3-6 months of constant crying in their forums before doing something about the game. THEN the changes they propose will either:

1. Have little effect on the balance

or

2. propose changes that are totally irrelevant, like you know, imagine blizzard not nerfing voidray/colo/sentry ball and instead implementing 'game changing' balances such as making the spinecrawler 3 seconds longer, or making scvs walk a little faster.

or

3. they will totally ignore it and hope people will forget about it. and in months time, they will quote themselves saying 'it used to be overpowered but people got over it and learned to play'

SmoKim

Denmark10305 Posts

February 15 2011 20:17 GMT

#25

On February 16 2011 04:55 Kurumi wrote:
No love for Iccup? Such a shame..

in general not much love for Iccup maps, not even on these forums

yet people got batcrazy the second after the gom maps were posted

vdek

United States267 Posts

February 15 2011 20:20 GMT

#26

On February 16 2011 05:15 xza wrote:
3. they will totally ignore it and hope people will forget about it. and in months time, they will quote themselves saying 'it used to be overpowered but people got over it and learned to play'

WoW wasn't that unbalanced of a game, it's just that the majority of people were terrible with it and needed to learn 2 play.

A Game like WoW is also incredibly difficult to balance compared to a game like Starcraft II IMO.

TheDominator

New Zealand336 Posts

February 15 2011 20:24 GMT

#27

Finally. I was getting sick of the old maps. I think Iccup maps should also be considered.
But thanks Blizzard.

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10376 Posts

February 15 2011 20:25 GMT

#28

Hehe thanks for sharing, yeah people underestimate Blizzard a lot... they may be slow but they get things right. As Kerrigan says, "eventually..." haha

MadLag

Poland82 Posts

February 15 2011 20:27 GMT

#29

sure they will add some user made maps, just like they did in warcraft ! to bad it took them years to do it and by that time no one cared about ladder. not to mention that they added ONE MAP : /

Andre

Slovenia3523 Posts

February 15 2011 20:29 GMT

#30

On February 16 2011 05:15 xza wrote:
This is very good news. but honestly I've never trusted blizzard's balancing team after WoW. Anyone who plays WoW will know that blizzard will take atleast 3-6 months of constant crying in their forums before doing something about the game.
'

You shouldn't put WoW as an example of how good Blizzard is balancing, it's a freaking MMO. Try balancing one. Not to mention it's being played by 12 million people, what you wrote is wrong...blizzard reads shit-load of whine on the forums from newbies and acts immediately to satisfy the biggest player base, i applaud them for not doing the same to SC2.

About the map adaptation, I think it would be wise of blizzard to follow GSL, because most of other tourneys follow Blizzard map pool. And GSL maps are just beautiful.

KevinIX

United States2472 Posts

February 15 2011 20:32 GMT

#31

Ah, as Incontrol said, we have to convince Blizzard that they thought of this idea themselves.

hugman

Sweden4644 Posts

February 15 2011 20:33 GMT

#32

What they should do if they add more maps to the mappool is force people to pick x maps they want to play on and then veto the y remaining ones

A3iL3r0n

United States2196 Posts

February 15 2011 20:34 GMT

#33

It's early in the ladder's lifetime, but hopefully Blizzard realizes noobs won't know the difference between Blizzard's noobie-friendly maps, and maps that allow for balanced high-level play. I mean, they're noobs like we all once were, where the main attraction of the game is to build cool units and watch the battles. It would be stupid to have a dichotomy between the ladder maps and pro-maps. It just makes it harder for noobs to transition into being good, knowledgable players.

lkjewq

United States132 Posts

February 15 2011 20:36 GMT

#34

We need a bigger map pool regardless. You can cross off a number of the maps if you don't want to play on them.

FliedLice

Germany7494 Posts

February 15 2011 20:38 GMT

#35

On February 16 2011 05:32 KevinIX wrote:
Ah, as Incontrol said, we have to convince Blizzard that they thought of this idea themselves.

Great maps you got there Blizz, can't wait for GSL to use them too!

Immersion_

United Kingdom794 Posts

February 15 2011 20:39 GMT

#36

How big is too big map pool wise? I see a lot of oh we need these maps we need these maps, these maps suck etc. I'd like to see the new ladder maps Blizzard are working on, and the GTSL maps, I hate DQ Steppes and JB, I actually quite like Blistering. Many of the ICCup maps look cool, I love Scrap and Shakuras....could go on lol but is it a case of the more the merrier or it should always stick around the same number, do the Blizzard maps all need 'replacing' eventually?

Either way I'm extremely glad they are considering this, especially as they're in the upcoming GSL, new maps are definitely needed.

DarkRise

1644 Posts

February 15 2011 20:41 GMT

#37

Well Blizzard can't ignore this since almost all response in PTR forums is about the GSL maps and how bad the new maps are.
Maybe this is the reason why patch 1.21 wasn't that much, they are probably expecting good feedbacks on the new maps but they didn't.

heishe

Germany2284 Posts

February 15 2011 20:43 GMT

#38

That's really good news, although it isn't surprising to me.

Blizzard has used custom fan-made maps for WC3 in the past (namely Echo Isles and Secret Valley, plus Twisted Meadows, but TM was just the finalist of an official mapmaking contest by Blizzard) and they most likely will in SC2.

edit: For obvious reasons though it is doubtable that they'd use ICCUP maps or even partner with ICCUP in any way.

kickinhead

Switzerland2069 Posts

February 15 2011 20:45 GMT

#39

Finally good new!

I can understand the Blizzard-bashing though; they just give out too less information on those topics, which can be very frustrating...