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was expecting way more after seeing all the hype around it but other than unhuman multitasking and control from both sides this game didnt pack such a punch.
pushing and investing in a strong push (MM) but never execute it. that's bad. that's what day9 and your common sense tells you: an army not attacking is just floating money. Ok, he was probably aiming for the 3rd and not seeing it made him assume zerg's money went to army, but then again never checking is kind of bad play.
second strong push with siege that's supposed to shut down zerg's 3rd got delayed forever and 2/3 tanks got sniped
late 3rd for terran
for me as Terran it was painful to watch as i knew it's just downhill from there.
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look at this guy above me complaining about what was a good game.
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That was an amazing game. Hope to see you cast some more epic ones Artosis!
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On February 06 2011 08:08 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 07:56 Whomp wrote:On February 06 2011 07:34 Saechiis wrote:Great cast and awesome game, definitely finals material, make it happen  On February 06 2011 07:13 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
it was a good game yes, but. Even idra would tell you he did luck out that that Stim Marine Maraduer push didn't just go to his base and attack him. Because he wasn't ready for it. Also goes to show how lucky you have to get as Zerg to beat terran sometimes. Such an unwanted, unwarranted and uncalled for balance whine. After taking such an extremely late third without damaging IdrA's economy, MVP was basically on the ropes the entire game. Both players did a fantastic job and then you come in here to downplay someone's performance, very classy. It's not even about balance I'm not sure you even know what your talking about or criticizing. You get a pro to analyze that replay and not cast it for face value and he'll tell you that was a stupid game, based on cutting corners and MvP deciding he wanted to practice late game. IdrA is doing a build that he should know isn't viable at all but he consistently does it because it gives him an advantage late game. I don't want to take away from the entertainment value of the game but purely from a learning perspective the game is bad play to learn from. What did I say that makes you think I don't know what I'm talking about? I criticized this guy's balance whine about Zerg needing luck to win. You're also misunderstanding the meaning of a good game, the fact that it doesn't follow the standards of a matchup doesn't mean the players aren't playing well. I'm also guessing that IdrA disagrees with you concerning the viability of the build. Frankly, I'm just amazed at the QQ. All Zergs jumping on this game saying IdrA got lucky, since Zerg is underpowered and IdrA should as such not be able to beat the best player in the world, amazing.
Okay I'm sorry for saying that, and I am by no means QQ'ing I just don't think the game from MvP's perspective was played to win. What I mean about IdrA's play not being viable is the vulnerability to go fast muta's after seeing 3 rax at front, you then decide its okay to have 1 spine get 2 gas and pray to whatever God you have that he's not going to scan your natural looking for exactly that? It's not like MvP doesn't know who the gracken is or what his playstyle favors, the entire push MvP did was designed to end him because greg was assuming that MvP would do a slow push through the rocks making fast mutas a little safer. MvP blowing his scan to kill the 2 tumors seemed like a taunt more then anything.
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On February 06 2011 08:25 danielsan wrote:
other than unhuman multitasking and control from both sides
…exactly!
IdrA's infestor play wowed my socks off. Those fungals across the chasm that killed about 40 marines had me yelling "AUGHHGHHHHHH"!
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On February 06 2011 08:28 Popsycle wrote:
look at this guy above me complaining about what was a good game.
technically it was amazing
strategically it was sub par
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On February 06 2011 08:28 Popsycle wrote:
look at this guy above me complaining about what was a good game.
I love how he adds "other than the unhuman multitasking" like it's some kind of aside. Like "oh besides the incredible stuff going on, this was indeed the shittiest things I have ever seen.
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epic epic game. This is why i like shakuras. The new maps will produce more and more games like this i think
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don't see what so great about the game itself, imo it just dragged on unnecessarily. may be the hangover talking.
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just a ladder game, what the hype for?
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epic match... mvp almost able to make a comeback after a bad way into midgame.
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For anyone who enjoyed the vod from artosis, i strongly recommend watching the game from Idra's point of view on his saved stream vod. Artosis did a great job but still didnt catch everything (obviously because he can't commentate at 200+ apm. No fault of his own.). It is unbelievably intense to see this game occur from the zerg's perspective.
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Greatest TvZ I have ever seen, and also the most interesting one since Clide vs Leenock in GSL 2 or 3 (can't remember).
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Sweet game although I don't think it was quite played to the BEST of either players abilities.
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On February 06 2011 08:14 Serthius wrote:
I wonder why Mvp didn't push with tanks and turrets through the bottom corridor like all the other terrans do? Never seen any zerg able to defend that.
Tried a full macro game.
MVP...wow superb multitasking and macro...
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Holy eff 34 minutes? this is gonna be good!
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Idra and nestea are the reasons i log on and work my magic on the silver ladder as zerg  inspire me grack!!
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I saw this on his stream the other day. Half way thopugh i had to tell my friend to stop watching startrek and get on too see this game.
it was crazy awesome.
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For those talking about MVP's late 3rd, go watch him vs Nestea on Shakuras in the semi finals of last season's GSL again. A strong push off of 2 bases with upgrades and proper positioning is super, super, super strong. Had MVP gone through the back rocks he might very well have ended the game, but we wont know now.
As some have pointed out (and myself in other threads), MVP misread IdrA's lack of a 3rd and chose to withdraw with his army. The only other real mistake he made was when he pushed again, his army positioning wasn't perfect and IdrA's mutas were in position to punish him for it costing him the 2 tanks and a couple of medivacs.
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On February 06 2011 08:31 Quixxotik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 08:28 Popsycle wrote:
look at this guy above me complaining about what was a good game. I love how he adds "other than the unhuman multitasking" like it's some kind of aside. Like "oh besides the incredible stuff going on, this was indeed the shittiest things I have ever seen.
Oh look Ronaldinho played poorly the entire game, didnt create any opportunities for his teammates but GOD HIS FREE KICKS WERE SO OUT OF THIS WORLD.
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