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On February 06 2011 07:45 Klamity wrote:
I'm very surprised MVP pulled back with the initial bio ball. I'm also surprised that he didn't decide to push through the bottom rocks. Is it really not optimal to do anymore?
Yeah the initial bio ball would of killed IdrA.
I want to say that MVP was just practicing NOT taking the rocks. Because he seems to have it refined. But i don't know. Also i think with the siege tank through the middle he wanted to just set up and split it so that he could send like 4 marines to kill the EXPO while the tanks don't let idra leave his natural.
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How is it luck. MVP assumed idra is good and can handle some MM pressure. Idra never scouted Mvps front so he wasnt prepared
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On February 06 2011 07:53 Endorsed wrote:
How is it luck. MVP assumed idra is good and can handle some MM pressure. Idra never scouted Mvps front so he wasnt prepared
MVP didn't scan the ramp. If he did, he would of saw panic spines, and a very small zergling army.
Instead, he scanned the low ground and killed tumors instead.
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On February 06 2011 07:34 Saechiis wrote:Great cast and awesome game, definitely finals material, make it happen  Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 07:13 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
it was a good game yes, but. Even idra would tell you he did luck out that that Stim Marine Maraduer push didn't just go to his base and attack him. Because he wasn't ready for it. Also goes to show how lucky you have to get as Zerg to beat terran sometimes. Such an unwanted, unwarranted and uncalled for balance whine. After taking such an extremely late third without damaging IdrA's economy, MVP was basically on the ropes the entire game. Both players did a fantastic job and then you come in here to downplay someone's performance, very classy.
It's not even about balance I'm not sure you even know what your talking about or criticizing. You get a pro to analyze that replay and not cast it for face value and he'll tell you that was a stupid game, based on cutting corners and MvP deciding he wanted to practice late game. IdrA is doing a build that he should know isn't viable at all but he consistently does it because it gives him an advantage late game.
I don't want to take away from the entertainment value of the game but purely from a learning perspective the game is bad play to learn from.
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On February 06 2011 07:55 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 07:53 Endorsed wrote:
How is it luck. MVP assumed idra is good and can handle some MM pressure. Idra never scouted Mvps front so he wasnt prepared MVP didn't scan the ramp. If he did, he would of saw panic spines, and a very small zergling army. Instead, he scanned the low ground and killed tumors instead.
I think Idra took a calculated risk given the timings involved, and his mind game paid off. He got that extra macro advantage and MVP didn't take the timing window. It's not that MVP purposely didn't take the timing window... he just didn't know he had it based on the meta-game and Idra's build.
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Yeah that was really incredible, i watched that game from IdrA's streaming and enjoyed it more to be honest, because it was from IdrA's point of view, and it made it alot more intense and caught alot more of the action. Really made me excited about IdrA and just Starcraft 2 in general watching that game
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oh my gooood. mvp is hellagood! extremely well played by idra.
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On February 06 2011 07:57 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 07:55 Fa1nT wrote:On February 06 2011 07:53 Endorsed wrote:
How is it luck. MVP assumed idra is good and can handle some MM pressure. Idra never scouted Mvps front so he wasnt prepared MVP didn't scan the ramp. If he did, he would of saw panic spines, and a very small zergling army. Instead, he scanned the low ground and killed tumors instead. I think Idra took a calculated risk given the timings involved, and his mind game paid off. He got that extra macro advantage and MVP didn't take the timing window. It's not that MVP purposely didn't take the timing window... he just didn't know he had it based on the meta-game and Idra's build.
I could be wrong and so could you but based on MvP's play I actually think he was just going through the steps and practicing. He had the scan he had the timing window he knows Idra to go for fast mutas. The only reason why a terran wouldn't scan up a ramp is if they know whats going on and have no intentions of wanting to win the game at that point. You don't get to MvP's level but just making a calculated guess and blowing a scan on tumours instead of gauging his push.
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Wow some people in this thread have such fail logic my brain hurts.
Let me summarize the reasoning behind "IdrA got lucky and thats the only reason he won"
At some point MVP likely could have performed a set of actions that would have made him win the game.
If at any point in a game, my opponent could have beat me but didn't, I am very lucky.
Therefore, IdrA got really luck to beat MVP.
Do you notice that this reasoning implies that the vast majority of games are luck decided?
Also, are you aware of the definition of lucky? If your opponent makes more mistakes than you and you win as a result, that is not a lucky win: it is you playing better and exploiting errors in the other person's play.
So much QQ its unreal. I wonder why some of you guys even bother playing the game if all you want to do is bitch and whine. Tip: if you're going to whine at least do it in a coherent manner.
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Saw this live and it was amazing. In fact, the only way to make it better is by having Artosis cast it naked (I'm assuming he's naked).
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On February 06 2011 07:56 Whomp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 07:34 Saechiis wrote:Great cast and awesome game, definitely finals material, make it happen On February 06 2011 07:13 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
it was a good game yes, but. Even idra would tell you he did luck out that that Stim Marine Maraduer push didn't just go to his base and attack him. Because he wasn't ready for it. Also goes to show how lucky you have to get as Zerg to beat terran sometimes. Such an unwanted, unwarranted and uncalled for balance whine. After taking such an extremely late third without damaging IdrA's economy, MVP was basically on the ropes the entire game. Both players did a fantastic job and then you come in here to downplay someone's performance, very classy. It's not even about balance I'm not sure you even know what your talking about or criticizing. You get a pro to analyze that replay and not cast it for face value and he'll tell you that was a stupid game, based on cutting corners and MvP deciding he wanted to practice late game. IdrA is doing a build that he should know isn't viable at all but he consistently does it because it gives him an advantage late game. I don't want to take away from the entertainment value of the game but purely from a learning perspective the game is bad play to learn from.
What did I say that makes you think I don't know what I'm talking about? I criticized this guy's balance whine about Zerg needing luck to win. You're also misunderstanding the meaning of a good game, the fact that it doesn't follow the standards of a matchup doesn't mean the players aren't playing well. I'm also guessing that IdrA disagrees with you concerning the viability of the build.
Frankly, I'm just amazed at the QQ. All Zergs jumping on this game saying IdrA got lucky, since Zerg is underpowered and IdrA should as such not be able to beat the best player in the world, amazing.
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amazing how consistent the thread posts deteriorate after about page 7 or so..once something gets that far the flame wars and trolling starts CASE IN POINT HYURRR HYURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
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One of the best games i've ever seen.
Thank you so much for upping it.
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A good game, but not one of the "Best in SC2 so far", imo.
Not trying to be a downer... it was a good game still : P
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On February 06 2011 06:34 Teogamer wrote:
Kinda funny that TvZ is in such bad shape, that any game that goes over 20 minutes is considered epic.
20 minutes is about the threshold for an epic brood war game if there is lots of back and forth with great micro, positioning, and strategy.
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I wonder why Mvp didn't push with tanks and turrets through the bottom corridor like all the other terrans do? Never seen any zerg able to defend that.
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BOOM ARTOSIS DOES IT! , everyone who watched it cried for this...i cried the hardest! woop woop!
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Read about this on Artosis twitter... going to enjoy it : )
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On February 06 2011 08:12 tbrown47 wrote:
A good game, but not one of the "Best in SC2 so far", imo.
Not trying to be a downer... it was a good game still : P
any game with a zerg and terran that isnt an all in is one of the best.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
i what part of the game i can see POV of MVP? i mean FPview
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