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On February 06 2011 16:10 whomybuddy wrote:
this looks like a casual macro game. otherwise MVP would push idra's main through the rock.
Maybe MVP knew that his push would've killed IdrA, so he decided to practice his macro against one of the best macro zergs in the scene?
Sounds kinda stupid, but it makes sense. When you're winning GSLs and everyone already knows how good you are, winning/losing ladder games doesn't matter.
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Ye, watched on IdrA's stream, bad azz.
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Idra's first overlord was constantly scouting MvP's rocks the entire time. And Idra had taken out his own rocks and evenutally laid out a creep tumor highway all the way to MC's base. Idra would have seen it coming from a ways away and could have sent a counter attack to his base (since he knew where MVP's army was, or prepare some kind of defense. Of course this is just empty speculation and theorycrafting, but I do not think MvP would have necessarily auto-won if he went through those rocks.
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WOW idra's play was just so solid he never seemed panicked and only really suffered from 3/3 drops. I have to wonder it the Brood Lords were worth it I mean they seemed to be a money sink that really delayed the inevitable. I play Toss so im out of my element here, but I felt like that was the only point in the game that really saw a big dip in the balance. I just think a few Nydus worms were all Idra needed to break MVP. Just an awesome game what do you guys think about the BLs?
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On February 06 2011 16:48 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 16:10 whomybuddy wrote:
this looks like a casual macro game. otherwise MVP would push idra's main through the rock. Maybe MVP knew that his push would've killed IdrA, so he decided to practice his macro against one of the best macro zergs in the scene? Sounds kinda stupid, but it makes sense. When you're winning GSLs and everyone already knows how good you are, winning/losing ladder games doesn't matter.
No, it makes sense. He's presumably practicing that with with teammate IMNestea (who very nearly figured out how to beat it, and will need to know how to beat it by next week).
Plus I think close position Shakuras pushing, like the SCV all-in before it, is something Zerg are figuring out how to deal with, and thus is becoming weaker and weaker as Zerg are better able to slow it down and rebuild tech while Terran stays on two bases for forever. (Given Zerg's nature as a reactive race, I imagine each GSL will be plagued by a new and different unstoppable all-in until Zergs understand the game enough to know exactly how to react pretty fast, and that no map pool can save us. But now we're getting off-topic).
What I really want to know if why MVP kept his tanks away from his marines all the time during that push, like he was gifting them to Idra.
Also: Dat fungal.
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Needs more raven use in TvZ . Mutas are a pain in the ass to deal with . You have to have thors turrets and marines at every location to deal with them effectively .
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MVP's micro/multi tasking is amazing. Being able to micro three different sets of marines in different corners of the map is nuts.. Idra being a fuckn' baller and handling it perfectly. Epic. GG.
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On February 06 2011 13:38 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 09:55 zerious wrote:MVP getting prepared for the bigger maps  this guy knows what's up.
unlike 90% of the people in this topic
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great post, watched it live, but it is really good to have it explained from the terran perspective.
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On February 06 2011 14:40 SUPDAWGS wrote:LOL
This picture is exactly what I was thinking about the entire time this was happening.
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Really enjoyed Idra's use of Infestors here. Would like to know what MVP was thinking when 2 dozen of his marines all died from fungal at once. Awesome stuff. Fungal seems from a spectator pov as a seriously underused spell especially vs marines and medivacs.
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Awesome game, kind of reminded of the other epic TvZ on Shakuras between Leenock and Clide
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On February 06 2011 04:35 MaverickPL wrote:
Amazing game. I wish I knew the music irdra's playing cause I love it as well.
1. Skrillex - Kill Everybody
2. Skrillex - With You Friends (Long Drive)
3. Skrillex - Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (Noisia Remix)
4. Skrillex - Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (Zedd Remix)
5. Skrillex - Rock N' Roll
6. Skrillex - Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (Original Mix)
7. ??? (probably another Skrillex track)
8. Skrillex - All I Ask of You
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On February 06 2011 18:36 Goibon wrote:
Really enjoyed Idra's use of Infestors here. Would like to know what MVP was thinking when 2 dozen of his marines all died from fungal at once. Awesome stuff. Fungal seems from a spectator pov as a seriously underused spell especially vs marines and medivacs.
Problems with Infestors seems to be: low range, no hp, no armor and really expensive. And their energy doesn't come back fast enough. In the short-map, 1-battle days of SC2, there's not a huge use for them, as they can be out-micro'd. As we saw in the game, then you have to insanely multi-task, they're more useful. So, as on bigger maps, they're more viable.
As for what MVP was doing, it seems pretty straight forward. The Stim-timing push was to kill the third, then kill the army that comes out to defend it. That's why he stimmed his 3 Marauders and then Scanned. Zergs normally have the army right there in that situation. MVP played that well, Idra just had things timed out differently. Zergs should normally have had the 3rd down already by that point. If they didn't, they should have gone for an army. MVP's build seemed designed to kill standard play. Idra was playing Idra standard, not really normal standard.
Also, if you look back, by going to what would be Idra's 3rd, which MVP did first, it was enough time for Idra to have 3 spines and a bunch of Mutas + Lings out. The attack would have failed and not done much damage, unless he'd have blindly run in and killed the Main. He had about 30s window there, that he didn't know he had. So, MVP made the right choice to pull back, as he intended to hurt a greedy zerg on a macro map. It's a good plan and would have killed most zergs.
The midgame was some insanely good harass by Idra. He probably overproduced Mutas, but they were doing some insane damage. That 15s out of position Medivacs + Seige tanks gave Idra a HUGE lead during the midgame. Since MVP wasn't expanding directly behind that push, he was in a world of hurt there.
Then we got some back & forth from both players. Idra could have done a lot better breaking the outside of MVP's base there better with Ling/Bling/Muta. Then the game went to a whole separate gear. Until the 25 minute point or so, it was a solid, probably really good, Ladder-quality game. Then they both kicked up to 11. At that point, the engagements were probably "Diamond quality", if that makes sense, but there was always at least 5 of them going on constantly for the next 15 minutes. At that point, they both started making a whole lot less mistakes. Idra definitely had a lead going in, but this is probably the world's best Terran he was against that kicked it into overdrive. You don't just put them away as Zerg. Those last 20 minutes, game time, are something special. Both players are everywhere on the map, all of the time. They're both trying to deny 2 bases of the other player & defend 2 of their own at the same time for nearly 15 minutes game-time. That's insane.
I highly recommend the game. The first 20 game-time minutes are good, not insanely great, but after the 20 minute mark, they're both playing at GSL Ro8+ quality. That's when it really gets insane.
And, yeah, when Artosis is looking at the Broodlord, I kept yelling "Move up, move up!" to see the insane Fungal.
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that game was over like 20 minutes before it ended but IMMVP in try hard modus with like 2 medivacs and 12 bio units and made the game go on forever.
Idra got an early advantage and kept it all game long very nice game by Idra indeed.
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wow Idra...seriously S-class TvZ
MVP should have GG'd sooner but he did manage to do a lot of damage with smaller army by doing drops everywhere
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saw this on his stream last night so epic!
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Bad ass!
Was an amazing game!
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IMMVP played with like 40 scvs whole game?
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On February 06 2011 20:03 Kelekkis wrote:
IMMVP played with like 40 scvs whole game?
Plus Mules.
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