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On January 05 2011 02:01 Deadlyfish wrote:
There must be some kind of error in the system, because obviously this player isnt 500 points better than everyone else, i mean i've never seen Naniwa win anything, i wouldnt even put him in top10 europe. People like Dimaga, Whitera or TLO are surely better than this guy, so why does he have 500 more points than them? I dont get it.
If he really was the best player in Europe (as this suggests, i mean 500 points more than anyone else) then why hasnt he won any big tournaments or anything.
Read the thread about how ladder works. His ladder points is 4,000 but overall ranking is 3,685. (whitera 3,605)
Naniwa is for sure good enough to be if first on ladder even thought it havent been doing so well in tournaments.
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I wish that I too someday can become meaty
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On January 05 2011 02:01 Deadlyfish wrote:
If he really was the best player in Europe (as this suggests, i mean 500 points more than anyone else) then why hasnt he won any big tournaments or anything.
Being #1 at the ladder does not mean that he is #1 skill wise, realize that ladder points do not translate to skill. On the other hand Naniwa is a great player who is at the top of the EU scene so not saying he ain't got skill or anything.
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On January 05 2011 02:04 Shockk wrote:
Assuming this was actually done by Naniwa:
It makes me really sad that this was achieved by one of the most bad mannered and unreliable professionals in the SC2 scene. There's IdrA BM, which can be annoying, but at least his arrogance is partly justified considering his success and skill.
But Naniwa's manners - that's the worst possible example you can get. He screws up his life, his education, the relations to his parents for gaming. He screws up sponsorships, a payed apartment and membership in a international clan because of unreliability. And everyone you ask he's played with, everyone who hosted tournaments with him will have some story to tell about how much of a douche he is most of the time.
And some people are actually cheering for him when the best he deserves is pity.
He can still grew up, how old is he ?
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On January 05 2011 01:24 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 01:20 donut boi wrote:
MeatyOwlLegs... it's not often I come across a name that instantly strikes me as being totally baller
but yea hes abusing the bonus pool shit... i was watching drewbie's stream where he was playing on his smurf... basically he always played favored ppl and gained 40-50 points per win and lost 0-1 points when he lost. It is quite silly that accounts like these receive no penalty for losing That is because of his winloss ratio and the extremely low amount of games played, it has nothing to do with bonus pool.
Im pretty sure recieving double the points for every single win he gets helps so yeah it kinda has something to do with the bonus pool. not to mention it will inflat and inflat standings forever. Bonus pool is bullshit and needs to be removed and allow people to mitigate to a normal elo style like chess.
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On January 05 2011 02:04 TaKemE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 02:01 Deadlyfish wrote:
There must be some kind of error in the system, because obviously this player isnt 500 points better than everyone else, i mean i've never seen Naniwa win anything, i wouldnt even put him in top10 europe. People like Dimaga, Whitera or TLO are surely better than this guy, so why does he have 500 more points than them? I dont get it.
If he really was the best player in Europe (as this suggests, i mean 500 points more than anyone else) then why hasnt he won any big tournaments or anything. Read the thread about how ladder works. His ladder points is 4,000 but overall ranking is 3,685. (whitera 3,605) Naniwa is for sure good enough to be if first on ladder even thought it havent been doing so well in tournaments.
It still makes you wonder... Naniwa doesn't really have the tournament results to indicate that he is close to the best person in the world, it does make you wonder if there's anything else behind this amazing achievement. Suppose maybe he has worse tournie nerves than the rest...
Edit: Bonus pool has nothing to do with this. You can take ~2.2k or so from everyone and you'll have a zero summed ladder.
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On January 05 2011 02:08 Meldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 01:24 Shikyo wrote:On January 05 2011 01:20 donut boi wrote:
MeatyOwlLegs... it's not often I come across a name that instantly strikes me as being totally baller
but yea hes abusing the bonus pool shit... i was watching drewbie's stream where he was playing on his smurf... basically he always played favored ppl and gained 40-50 points per win and lost 0-1 points when he lost. It is quite silly that accounts like these receive no penalty for losing That is because of his winloss ratio and the extremely low amount of games played, it has nothing to do with bonus pool. Im pretty sure recieving double the points for every single win he gets helps so yeah it kinda has something to do with the bonus pool. not to mention it will inflat and inflat standings forever. Bonus pool is bullshit and needs to be removed and allow people to mitigate to a normal elo style like chess.
It has nothing to do with bonus pool, it's the same for everyone. If you have used your bonus pool you have the EXACT same bonus points as meaty.
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On January 05 2011 02:04 Skinnyowllegs wrote:I wish that I too someday can become meaty
Well played.
4000 points is ridiculous. I'm still trying to catch 2500 x.x
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On January 05 2011 01:43 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 01:36 Erectum wrote:On January 05 2011 01:35 Gigaudas wrote:
Getting your MMR up goes real fast, he has been playing top players for a lot of consecutive games and still kept a sick win%. It is redoubtably very impressive.
She actually climbed from ~76 to nearly 80% win the last few games. To be sure we should see his game list  Maybe the MMR not goes up that fast I have him added, and yes, he played top players and maintained an about 80% win rate while doing that. And yes, its Naniwa. Now he needs to follow that up with good tournament performances. Its kind of strange that toss players (not only Naniwa) are dominating the European ladder lately, but dont have that good results in tournaments. I seriously wonder why that is the case.
Naniwa won dreamhack right?
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On January 05 2011 02:01 Deadlyfish wrote:
There must be some kind of error in the system, because obviously this player isnt 500 points better than everyone else, i mean i've never seen Naniwa win anything, i wouldnt even put him in top10 europe. People like Dimaga, Whitera or TLO are surely better than this guy, so why does he have 500 more points than them? I dont get it.
If he really was the best player in Europe (as this suggests, i mean 500 points more than anyone else) then why hasnt he won any big tournaments or anything.
Naniwa won 4 or 5 Zotac Cups, last Zotac final a month or so ago I saw between him and Dimaga he won 3-0 and he was on his way to the EPS Finals when he was kicked out. I wouldn't say he is necessarily worse than Dimaga, Whitera or TLO.
Even though many people wish he would be that bad because of his sick amount of BM and thus underestimate him.
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On January 05 2011 02:12 Endorsed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 01:43 Redox wrote:On January 05 2011 01:36 Erectum wrote:On January 05 2011 01:35 Gigaudas wrote:
Getting your MMR up goes real fast, he has been playing top players for a lot of consecutive games and still kept a sick win%. It is redoubtably very impressive.
She actually climbed from ~76 to nearly 80% win the last few games. To be sure we should see his game list Maybe the MMR not goes up that fast I have him added, and yes, he played top players and maintained an about 80% win rate while doing that. And yes, its Naniwa. Now he needs to follow that up with good tournament performances. Its kind of strange that toss players (not only Naniwa) are dominating the European ladder lately, but dont have that good results in tournaments. I seriously wonder why that is the case. Naniwa won dreamhack right?
....no.....
EDIT:
1) Naama
2) Mana
3) Fenix
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On January 05 2011 02:10 euroboy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 02:08 Meldrath wrote:On January 05 2011 01:24 Shikyo wrote:On January 05 2011 01:20 donut boi wrote:
MeatyOwlLegs... it's not often I come across a name that instantly strikes me as being totally baller
but yea hes abusing the bonus pool shit... i was watching drewbie's stream where he was playing on his smurf... basically he always played favored ppl and gained 40-50 points per win and lost 0-1 points when he lost. It is quite silly that accounts like these receive no penalty for losing That is because of his winloss ratio and the extremely low amount of games played, it has nothing to do with bonus pool. Im pretty sure recieving double the points for every single win he gets helps so yeah it kinda has something to do with the bonus pool. not to mention it will inflat and inflat standings forever. Bonus pool is bullshit and needs to be removed and allow people to mitigate to a normal elo style like chess. It has nothing to do with bonus pool, it's the same for everyone. If you have used your bonus pool you have the EXACT same bonus points as meaty.
Im not saying we don't Im saying the bonus pool system is bullshit and it is... its a horrible system.. that means 3k today is great... when 3k tomorrow is garbage... the bar shouldnt keep moving becuase the system keeps inflating the points... the system should be like chess where 2k+ is great with only a select few reaching elo's of 2800+
in chess if you have a elo of 2700-2800 your a god among men.. a grandmaster chess player. Should be the same here... not this ever changing shit storm "omg 4k points" next week it will be OMG 5k points.
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On January 05 2011 02:12 Endorsed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 01:43 Redox wrote:On January 05 2011 01:36 Erectum wrote:On January 05 2011 01:35 Gigaudas wrote:
Getting your MMR up goes real fast, he has been playing top players for a lot of consecutive games and still kept a sick win%. It is redoubtably very impressive.
She actually climbed from ~76 to nearly 80% win the last few games. To be sure we should see his game list Maybe the MMR not goes up that fast I have him added, and yes, he played top players and maintained an about 80% win rate while doing that. And yes, its Naniwa. Now he needs to follow that up with good tournament performances. Its kind of strange that toss players (not only Naniwa) are dominating the European ladder lately, but dont have that good results in tournaments. I seriously wonder why that is the case. Naniwa won dreamhack right?
Left..
Naama did.
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On January 05 2011 02:02 NotSupporting wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 01:55 drooL wrote:On January 05 2011 01:54 NotSupporting wrote:On January 05 2011 01:52 Nizaris wrote:On January 05 2011 01:51 NotSupporting wrote:
Why are people still discussing who this player is? It's confirmed that it's Naniwa, can we please move on already and stop spamming this thread with useless stuff?
Congrats to being the first to 4k ^_^ confirmed how. Ppl keep saying it's confirmed without any actual proof making it .... unconfirmed ! Naniwa has confirmed it himself many times so unless you are saying he is lying, it's confirmed. where did he confirm that? lol it's totally open in the Swedish community that it's Naniwa, he is not hiding it or anything. Basically many of the top Swedish players are sitting in the same IRC channel and it's been know among us for a long time that it's Naniwa. [16:38] <OminouS> Nani joinar bara för att skryta om 4k (Naniwa joins only to brag about 4k)[16:38] <OminouS>  [16:38] <dangerdude> aah du har +300 (ah, you have +300)[16:38] <empirenani> mm [16:38] <dangerdude> 3,664 (3,979) [16:38] <empirenani> måste ju säga (I must say)[16:38] <empirenani> att mitt journey (that my journey)[16:38] <empirenani> e över. (is over)[16:38] <empirenani> på laddern. (on the ladder)[16:38] <empirenani> :D [16:38] <kusu> ditt journey? (your journey?) [16:39] <empirenani> aa var ju en kul grej (yeah it was a cool thing do to)[16:39] <empirenani> o få (to get)[16:39] <empirenani> 4k [16:39] <empirenani> nu kan jag bara massgamea utano bry mig (now I can just massgame without caring) [16:39] <empirenani> ;p
thanks
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On January 05 2011 02:04 Shockk wrote:
Assuming this was actually done by Naniwa:
It makes me really sad that this was achieved by one of the most bad mannered and unreliable professionals in the SC2 scene. There's IdrA BM, which can be annoying, but at least his arrogance is partly justified considering his success and skill.
But Naniwa's manners - that's the worst possible example you can get. He screws up his life, his education, the relations to his parents for gaming. He screws up sponsorships, a payed apartment and membership in a international clan because of unreliability. And everyone you ask he's played with, everyone who hosted tournaments with him will have some story to tell about how much of a douche he is most of the time.
And some people are actually cheering for him when the best he deserves is pity.
And you just wrote 3 paragraphs about it. Boohoo. If you love sc2 as much as I'm assuming you do after you wrote that, then stop judging people you'll never meet beyond how they perform in a video game that you enjoy. Why you pretending this is a soap opera homie?
Get real. Naniwa is a boss at Sc2, future tournaments in Europe will probably show this.
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On January 05 2011 01:34 TT1 wrote:
intrigue we cant hide it any longer, its time to come clean
lol.
Get your stream running man!
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now let's see what his ladder experience does for him in EPS germany and IEM. oh wait!
if it's nani it only shows that you can be a naniwa and still have a lot of points on the ladder.
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