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On April 04 2012 04:57 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 23:59 snailz wrote:On April 03 2012 23:55 Hairy wrote:On April 03 2012 23:32 jonhy- wrote:not bm but very confusing  ) ![[image loading]](http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4046/screenshot2012040216284.jpg) Not particularly - many people play the game to practice their play, practice builds, and learn to get better at all matchups. Some people value practice far more than winning or losing (note - winning the game and getting better at the game are NOT the same thing). Hiding your race means that he cannot effectively practice, so basically the game has little/no value for him. what this guy said i personally love the random hate. when i wanna piss people off i play random for the same reason :D I leave games vs random players too. Even though I know they don't all cheese, the builds are often times whacky and make my brain hurt.
I don't really understand this... When I play vs random that just means I start with a safe build and make sure I scout early... And just in case your opponent goes for a weird build you don't recognize, you leave the game anyway? I can understand not caring about ladder points, rather the practice aspect. But is it not worth something to play through the game just for practice against some non standard play?
I admit, losing to a random player who hardcore all-ins/cheeses, is terribly frustrating. But I've had that happen so many times that I hardly ever lose to that shit anymore. Therefore all that practice against cheese is not wasted and gives me free wins and hey, pro players sometimes throw in cheese to throw their opponent off.
But is there something wrong with safe generic opener, early scout, and then following through with build once opponents race is known?
Edit I never get very good BM towards me, just people replying to my gl hf with Fuck You! or Eat A Dick. Just makes me laugh
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I leave games vs random players too. Even though I know they don't all cheese, the builds are often times whacky and make my brain hurt.
no, there is no reason to play vs random atm, you'll get cheesed or you'll just gate expand if you face a zerg. I usually leave or 4gate. Random players pretend to have fun, but you can do the same by just switching races oftenly instead of cheesing as random.
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On April 04 2012 05:13 TheFlock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 04:57 xrapture wrote:On April 03 2012 23:59 snailz wrote:On April 03 2012 23:55 Hairy wrote:On April 03 2012 23:32 jonhy- wrote:not bm but very confusing ) Not particularly - many people play the game to practice their play, practice builds, and learn to get better at all matchups. Some people value practice far more than winning or losing (note - winning the game and getting better at the game are NOT the same thing). Hiding your race means that he cannot effectively practice, so basically the game has little/no value for him. what this guy said i personally love the random hate. when i wanna piss people off i play random for the same reason :D I leave games vs random players too. Even though I know they don't all cheese, the builds are often times whacky and make my brain hurt. I don't really understand this... When I play vs random that just means I start with a safe build and make sure I scout early... And just in case your opponent goes for a weird build you don't recognize, you leave the game anyway? I can understand not caring about ladder points, rather the practice aspect. But is it not worth something to play through the game just for practice against some non standard play? I admit, losing to a random player who hardcore all-ins/cheeses, is terribly frustrating. But I've had that happen so many times that I hardly ever lose to that shit anymore. Therefore all that practice against cheese is not wasted and gives me free wins and hey, pro players sometimes throw in cheese to throw their opponent off. But is there something wrong with safe generic opener, early scout, and then following through with build once opponents race is known? Edit I never get very good BM towards me, just people replying to my gl hf with Fuck You! or Eat A Dick. Just makes me laugh
no, but when you play vs a random you don' t know how to open, imagine for example playing as toss vs a random on TA. you can't FFE like you would vs zerg, its suicide if they spawn as a toss or terran. If they did spawn as zerg you are now way behind and have to 3 gate expand since the amount of lings is going to be hard to deal with otherwise, and if they spawned as protoss, odds are you are getting 4 gated and your gateway/core is in a hugely vulnerable position.
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When I play against random I start I 9 scout (like in PvZ) and then 12 gate (like in PvP). So no matter what race my opponent is I'm slightly behind (or a lot behind if it's zerg since i didn't FFE). But at the same time random players who play standard are normally not as good as people who only play one race so I have a decent chance most of the time.
I like to thing of PvR as practice at playing from behind. Turning a losing situation into a win.
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No words were spoken in this PvT, in which the units lost tab at the 2nd screenshot shall tell the story of the game.
Here we have a terran player blindly walking down a funneled ramp on Cloud Kingdom by my observer where templars greet them. This was a killing blow in a game where he was already behind 3 bases to 5 bases vs a late game protoss 
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vscc3.jpg)
As we can see, This lead to the immediate push by the rest of the army for a swift end to the game. As the Units Lost tab shows, he was very unsucessfull during the harassment phase and first encounter of the 2 main armies during this game, and leaves me with some harsh commentary which started from nowhere.
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Not exactly. Going marine tank vs zerg is extremely micro intensive,
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My awesome /confusing bm after i cannon contained his expo :/
http://drop.sc/151534 - apparently I'm cheesing.
HERE is the vod from my stream! You guys can check it out if you like: http://www.twitch.tv/senjai/b/313882293
EDIT: watch the replay, containing his third with one pylon and two cannons while im on two bases is not cheese by any means. After which he nydused me and killed. nothing. If he expands and doesnt scout for anything around his expo thats his problem. If i have a forge and 2 bases up already why not drop down 300 mins of cannons to deny a whole base? watch the replay please.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0S4rJ.jpg)
Then of course he rages after the game :/
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On April 04 2012 19:03 Senjai wrote:My awesome /confusing bm after i cannon contained his expo :/ http://drop.sc/151534 - apparently I'm cheesing. Then of course he rages after the game :/
Well... canon rushing is quite cheesy imo
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Canon rushing is cheesy, canon blocking is just standard if your opponent is stupid enough to let you do so.
Ahhhh and more rage against Random players. Go on, whine against the random players, this is surely how you'll get better and learn to handle those cheeses .... The thread supposed to make fun of funny BM situation as turned into the place where BMers (the kind that will just go "Bitch Noob Cunt" when they get cheesed) come to whine.
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On April 04 2012 20:04 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 19:03 Senjai wrote:My awesome /confusing bm after i cannon contained his expo :/ http://drop.sc/151534 - apparently I'm cheesing. Then of course he rages after the game :/ Well... canon rushing is quite cheesy imo
Agreed...
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On April 04 2012 20:14 Emix_Squall wrote:
Canon rushing is cheesy, canon blocking is just standard if your opponent is stupid enough to let you do so.
Ahhhh and more rage against Random players. Go on, whine against the random players, this is surely how you'll get better and learn to handle those cheeses .... The thread supposed to make fun of funny BM situation as turned into the place where BMers (the kind that will just go "Bitch Noob Cunt" when they get cheesed) come to whine.
Canon blocking and canon rushing at the ramp are the same for me. Even proplayers make the mistake to let someone do so. It's cheesy. I don't mind cheese (i'm french). But saying canon/rush/block (it's the same) isn't... No that's just not true.
Pylon block is standard. Although i still don't think it's bad to leave if you have a random player against you because you can't do the build that you want. It delays you. If you want to practice to get better... Why practice against random ones ? There are none on tournaments. Although i do play random from time to time and hate when someone just leave.... i could understand if i still was in master... But at gold/plat (yeah i took an arrow to the knee) that's not really happening. Because people just don't practice at this level.
Not trying to pick an argument. Just explaining my view. (Maybe it's not really readable. I'm not so good at english)
Agreed that's not all confusing BM in this thread but it's still nice to read at work.
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On April 04 2012 20:14 Emix_Squall wrote:
Canon rushing is cheesy, canon blocking is just standard if your opponent is stupid enough to let you do so.
The number of Zerg I see that go hatch first against an FFE, get a late spawning pool and never scout for cannoning their natural...honestly just asking for it. Its just one of those things that should NEVER work if you even briefly check your natural area before just building that hatchery.
My favourite was this one guy who actually prepared himself to baneling bust my FFE and then suddenly realised I had four cannons hitting his natural. He got all smart with a "watch this, magic" and busted my cannons instead before trying his bling bust on my front again but because it was delayed it failed. And then tried again. I think he succeeded on the third attempt through sheer willpower but by this point I'd already built a Dark Shrine and shut down this last gasp attempt whilst counter-attacking with a few DTs in his mineral lines and against his building third.
Suffice to say he wasn't happy. He was complaining about cheesy super-early cannon rushing despite the fact I had my expansion going up before the first cannon went down...I don't think he quite understood what "early" was.
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So people that are 10 times better than you and whose lvl you'll never reach never have to play against random players. That sure is a good reason why you shouldn't play against them .... Makes a lot of sense ...
Random players got their reasons to play random but they definitely aren't the same for everyone. Some want the easy wins cheesing (I did that all my way through gold league this way at the time), some just like all races, some just want the portrait, some might even argue they do it to taunt other players. Anyway when I see players on ladder that BM or Rage after I beat them as random and their macro was actually awful, it makes your argument even worthless. It's fine for a PRO Gamer to refuse to play against random because he needs practice and he won't have to face any in his important matches. For everyone else on ladder, you'd be able to beat the cheesy random players if your mechanics and decision making were good enough. But they aren't so you have no right to pretend it's useless for you to play against a random player. Just get better to the game, become a pro, reach the skills level where this argument is relevant if you want to use it. Otherwise stop whining.
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Uhmm i didnt cannon rush, I did a FFE, pylon blocked his nat (then he said rofl) and took his third spot, so i put a pylon and two cannons (only two) at his third to deny that one. I didnt cannon rush at all, and had a full expo behind it.
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On April 04 2012 20:46 Senjai wrote:
Uhmm i didnt cannon rush, I did a FFE, pylon blocked his nat (then he said rofl) and took his third spot, so i put a pylon and two cannons (only two) at his third to deny that one. I didnt cannon rush at all, and had a full expo behind it.
Don't bother justifying, anyone that doesn't go Nexus first into fast 3 base for a very macro game is called cheeser here. I bet even Bronze player will soon start considering they deserve to play macro game only. And will be flaming everyone that attacks before the 10 min mark.
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On April 04 2012 20:50 Emix_Squall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 20:46 Senjai wrote:
Uhmm i didnt cannon rush, I did a FFE, pylon blocked his nat (then he said rofl) and took his third spot, so i put a pylon and two cannons (only two) at his third to deny that one. I didnt cannon rush at all, and had a full expo behind it. Don't bother justifying, anyone that doesn't go Nexus first into fast 3 base for a very macro game is called cheeser here. I bet even Bronze player will soon start considering they deserve to play macro game only. And will be flaming everyone that attacks before the 10 min mark.
In Bronze i would be suprised if ANY attacked before the 10 min mark anyway :D
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I uploaded a vod (though still highlighting) on twitch of the 13 min match, feel free to watch it here; http://www.twitch.tv/senjai/b/313882293 dont think anyone can say that is cheese :/ (It might take a while for twitch to process.)
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On April 04 2012 20:46 Senjai wrote:
Uhmm i didnt cannon rush, I did a FFE, pylon blocked his nat (then he said rofl) and took his third spot, so i put a pylon and two cannons (only two) at his third to deny that one. I didnt cannon rush at all, and had a full expo behind it.
You just play with no dignity or respect it's ok
User was warned for this post
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