Do i have bad form and is it the reason why im struggling to hit hotkeys?
Does anyone have some useful tips for getting hotkey skills back on track? i really feel this is keeping me back from enjoying the game and thus progressing in it
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Akill_
United Kingdom80 Posts
Do i have bad form and is it the reason why im struggling to hit hotkeys? Does anyone have some useful tips for getting hotkey skills back on track? i really feel this is keeping me back from enjoying the game and thus progressing in it | ||
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IcyPringle
Canada210 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
Sounds like you've just got to play more until you hit the correct key 99% of the time. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
I'm actually a super faster typer and have awful form. I only use 5 fingers (excluding thumbs for space bar) when playing/typing. Also, I only use left shift, never right shift. I don't think it's a big deal. You need to do what feels right and not what others do. If you want to fix it you can try, but it's kind of like a batting stance or a free throw shot in prosports. It's what you think feels best. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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NihiLStarcraft
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PROJECTILE
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Meatt
United States98 Posts
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
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Pharax
Canada62 Posts
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Zestypasta
United States61 Posts
I don't have any problems with hotkeys. In fact, that is kind of my forte in starcraft haha. take pride in your thumb imo. Just practice. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
How do you guys not use your thumbs for hotkeys? It's probably my second used finger for hotkeys. 1a2a3a, hold position, 55v66v etc for queen injection, vi/u for infestor pit/ultra cavern, and probably more stuff I can't think of | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
no, I do not use the thumb on the keyboard hand, I don't have one! as a matter of fact, I use a total of 2 hotkeys, other than (1) for hatcheries and (a) for a-move, I'm a clicker, sad truth, doing my best to use (v) for inject larvae, I'll do my best to keep getting better, wish me luck ![]() | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
On November 14 2010 08:04 b0lt wrote: ??? How do you guys not use your thumbs for hotkeys? It's probably my second used finger for hotkeys. 1a2a3a, hold position, 55v66v etc for queen injection, vi/u for infestor pit/ultra cavern, and probably more stuff I can't think of Well since i use 1 for my main hatch/cc/nexus, i do 2a3a4a using ring, pinky, middle, pinky, index, pinky. I use backspace to cycle through hatches, and index for V. | ||
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seodoth
Netherlands319 Posts
![]() I dont think you using your thump should be the cause of the problem. If you use it, it means you are familliar with movement so it shouldnt cause any problems. My best advice is to practice the use of hotkeys a lot. Maybe to the Blizzard challenges, where you only can use the hotkeys? Or play vs computer. It takes a quite some time to get accustomed to hotkeys and having that muscle memory. So.. practise, practise, practise ![]() | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
But thats about it. ![]() | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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agtemd
Canada362 Posts
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Pro]ChoSen-
United States318 Posts
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jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
now that i think about it, i think i even use it for B and V from time to time. actually i'm not really sure o_O seems pretty viable to me, to use it for B and V... | ||
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Bearigator
United States233 Posts
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fiskrens
Sweden196 Posts
edit: now when I think about it, how the hell do people build stuff using standard settings without using his thumb? | ||
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Goobus
Hong Kong587 Posts
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Ko1tz
France493 Posts
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Discerpo
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
But honestly, if you feel you do fine with it, just do it. Do whatever feels the best to you. | ||
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leeznon
United States255 Posts
So I can quickly switch to a battle. | ||
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laste
Bulgaria242 Posts
After typing a post about how I use only my thumb and how anything else is so much harder, I just realized I use my index, middle finger and my thumb for the letter C depending on the word. its really trippy. depending on where my other fingers are positioned after hitting different letters for the different words I use one of three. | ||
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Bondator
Finland120 Posts
On November 14 2010 08:04 b0lt wrote: ??? How do you guys not use your thumbs for hotkeys? It's probably my second used finger for hotkeys. 1a2a3a, hold position, 55v66v etc for queen injection, vi/u for infestor pit/ultra cavern, and probably more stuff I can't think of That's awful. With the exception of hold position those keys leave my thumb under middle of my palm which feels super uncomfortable. Unless you're left handed and use right hand on keyboard, then I could possibly understand using thumb on keyboard. But I suppose all of this is highly dependent on the size of hand and keyboard used. I actually use my thumb on shift and ctrl, but only because I have them here: ![]() I've been using my mouse like that for years, and it's awesome. Not just in Starcraft, but with everything. It makes ctrl-grouping, shift-adding and many other tasks super fast and comfortable. It does however make your mouse a tiny bit less precise when using them, so I still use keyboard ctrl/shift on certain things. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
lol i just started wondering why i don't use it for "v" and "b" too, guess i'm not used to it.. ^^ | ||
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Selkie
United States530 Posts
I have no idea how I'm able to use it by the way... | ||
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Super_bricklayer
France104 Posts
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drlame
Sweden574 Posts
On November 14 2010 08:09 Roblin wrote: started in silver, climbed my way to platinum, have 65 average APM and was born with no left hand. no, I do not use the thumb on the keyboard hand, I don't have one! as a matter of fact, I use a total of 2 hotkeys, other than (1) for hatcheries and (a) for a-move, I'm a clicker, sad truth, doing my best to use (v) for inject larvae, I'll do my best to keep getting better, wish me luck ![]() Dude that's amazing, mad props. 65 APM is also quite high without using any hotkeys at all. to the OP: I also used my thumb in the beginning, a habit after playing so much FPS, the way I practiced was that I played on a really high chair - or low table -. The reason being to keep my hand "free", i.e not leaning on the wrist or anything (I'm talking about the keyboard hand). This way you can move it more freely and removes the mental restraint you get. When you switch up the position your hand is in, you also switch up the way your muscle memory works, what this means is that you start from scratch without thumb. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
Also @ the guy with 65apm and no left hand, fighting! bro. | ||
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
I cant imagine using anything else tbh, and I'm surprised to see a lot of people saying not to use it. | ||
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AdahnSC
United States376 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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wizard944
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pQylling
Denmark139 Posts
except when i build a command center or the like, i use my thumb for b and my index finger for c. | ||
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AdahnSC
United States376 Posts
On November 14 2010 09:14 Lobo2me wrote: If I press a button before I press something on the bottom row, I normally use my thumb for bottom row(6c for chrono boost, 6v for larva inject and so on). If it's those buttons first I use another finger (bc for building spine crawlers for example). this makes a lot more sense to me since when pressing 6 your hand is in an upward position so your thumb should naturally be around the cvb area. | ||
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helokity
Canada47 Posts
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
On November 14 2010 08:09 Roblin wrote: started in silver, climbed my way to platinum, have 65 average APM and was born with no left hand. no, I do not use the thumb on the keyboard hand, I don't have one! as a matter of fact, I use a total of 2 hotkeys, other than (1) for hatcheries and (a) for a-move, I'm a clicker, sad truth, doing my best to use (v) for inject larvae, I'll do my best to keep getting better, wish me luck ![]() this guys a baller thumb for B, V, M, L, H, P, 8-0, and space obviously. the only problem is with a command center, sometimes i tell it to load scv's instead of build planetary fortress when i miss the p... thinking about switching to grid. | ||
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hellsan631
United States695 Posts
When he builds his command center, the only finger down there is his trumb. As you can see, it pivots around and hits b then his middle finger hits C. Do note though, that the keyboard video is off sync and lower fps then the game play video, so the actual key pressing happens about a split second later (i think its actually like 5-10 frames or so, lol). I have around 140 or so sc2 apm, and use my thumb for BV, but not space bar. I use the index finger of my mouse hand for that, Pinky for control. For uses of build cannon or command, i use my thumb for B, then my index of the same hand for c or v. Seriously, for those who say using the thumb is bad, i would really like to see a pro gamer use anything but the thumb for build commands seeing as its the most efficient way to use your keyboard hand. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
![]() I think its a good habit, because it gives your hand the flexibility to use the full range of conrol groups from 1-0. | ||
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Flying_Cake
Canada117 Posts
My stance: Little finger: Shift Ring finger: A Middle finger: S Index: E Thumb: B | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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dignity
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Wr3k
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
I use it for CVB solely though, especially helpful when injecting, 66v77v88v99v would be extremely awkward without the thumb. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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Ygz
England370 Posts
Pinky resting on CNTRL Middle resting on W Thumb resting on SB I'd find it super weird not using my thumb hah. I noticed a lot of people use the 'alt' key, I NEVER use that key, I find it so uncomfortable. | ||
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wooozy
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EoR
Ireland127 Posts
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Canada6184 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
i guess those are the only buttons i use my thumb for | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Delarchon
Finland132 Posts
I used to have a hotkey problem where i messed up my scouting probe and building probe. When that happened I stopped playing for a second and thought about what just happened. Turned out that I was holding my hand too low on the keyboard and accidentally would hit ctrl sometimes and mess up the hotkey groups. Changed my form and now it never happens again. | ||
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tmtx
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rsol
Australia117 Posts
On November 14 2010 10:07 kaztah wrote: I use my thumb for spacebar and for constant alt-spamming for the healthbars. It's basicly a built in reflex from playing Warcraft 3 and I don't really think about it. Rest of the fingers just fly around on the keyboard and takes care of all the other hotkeys really. I do this too and it has the advantage of making you look like a baller apparently | ||
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Spiegel
Australia79 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
i played WoW for years so my typing skills increased tenfold since you have to type a lot during PvP/Raids. i type 100+ wpm...keeping pointers on f and j is needed! | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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Akill_
United Kingdom80 Posts
Im in mid diamond and do exclusively use the hotkeys, when im practised and warmed up i hit 200+ apm. My main reason for posting this question was that in the heat of a game i usually have a good margin of error over some hotkeys when before in my life as a gamer i've very rarely missed keyboard keys, was trying to discern if there was any real reason for this, note i've never played a game as intense as sc2 before now though. Im putting it down to practise and am going to grind through it. btw i dont exclusively use the thumb for the bottom keys as often i will BN/BG/VB/BF with middle finger and index. Also my keyboard is rather old and slimey, i'll get a new one. ty liquidians | ||
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
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Beneather
Canada451 Posts
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
. You could dig up that thread and check it out if you want.You can also youtube boxer's keyboard perspective which you get to see how he manages via the keyboard. Its a youtube video. | ||
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tianGO
Argentina591 Posts
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Adonisto
Canada191 Posts
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
index finger for v and b middle finger for c It helps to learn how to type correctly. I have no problems with hotkeys. | ||
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Keldrath
United States449 Posts
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Agh
United States1045 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 14 2010 15:27 Keldrath wrote: idk why you wouldnt use your thumb. your hand has 5 digits. seems like using all 5 of them rather than just 4 would make a lot more sense. Yeah this. I use my thumb for cvbm & space and have no accuracy or speed issues as a result of it. | ||
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
On November 14 2010 08:02 cHaNg-sTa wrote: Well, I use my thumb for space bar. That's about it though. You don't really need it otherwise. Just give it more practice thats why i think using your thumb for shorcuts is a bad idea. You will more than likely keep hitting space accidentally. Could be annoying as hell. I only use it for control and shift | ||
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NeVeR
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Helluva
United States651 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden177 Posts
not using my thumb would fuck up my game ^^ | ||
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Keiras
Czech Republic57 Posts
However, when you start playing, you usually don't think about the ideal place for your hand. You just go for the position, that seems natural and you are confortable with. Therefore I wouldn't bother asking, whether you are allowed to have your hand placed like that, and I would just stick with what feels natural for me and play more to improve the precision over time. | ||
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