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NOTE:
As this thread was mentioned on the day9 daily, I'm going to add this disclaimer:
When I set out to write this post I thought that it would be fairly straight forward to communicate what I was trying to say, however I was wrong and as a result this thread can be very confusing for non-mathematically minded people.
The general gist of it all is basically sc2 mouse settings that are multiples of 5 are inconsistent, and so you should avoid them. The other thing is that there are not as many different sensitivity settings as you think (there are not 100, as would be implied by a slider that works with percentages). You'll also find a lot of discussion on pixel precision and 1:1 ratios and stuff, and if you're interested you can read on, however I don't give a crap about pixel precision or 1:1 ratios or any of that stuff because as far as I'm concerned all of that is meaningless in the face of having a 'comfortable mouse speed'. However the findings are still relevant to myself, because although I don't care about pixel precision, I do care about having the same mouse speed today and tomorrow and the next day. If you're the sort of person that doesn't keep count of how many sugars they put in their coffee, then that's fine too.
Ideally you want your sensitivity as 6/11 (1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142026, and the thread tells us that 50% is the same as windows' setting of 6/11.
I had to re-write this post a few times because I kept finding out new stuff. At first I wanted to test if 50% or 55% is 6/11 because:
windows sensitivity is n/11
starcraft2 sensitivity is n/100
100/11 = 9.0909090909090909...
If you want you sc2 sensitivity to be the same as your windows sensitivity..
windows sens x 9.09 = sc2 sens
6 x 9.09 = 54.54 (55% when rounded)
However I did some tests with MouseMovementRecorder (you can find it somewhere in here) and I kept getting weird results.
When set to 50% there were sometimes lost pixels and other times there weren't. (green means pixels mean lost pixels--movement that was picked up by the sensor but not performed with the cursor--this happens when you go below 1:1 ratio of mouse:cursor movement, a.k.a "6/11")
at 55% there were, again, sometimes lost pixels, sometimes no lost pixels. At this point I'm thinking maybe it rounds down decimal places?
at 51%--54% there were never lost pixels. (black=1:1 [6/11])
But this implies it also rounds up decimals :/
I kept playing around to see what was going on and I found that there are in fact fractions of percentages on this setting (i.e. there are more than 100 notches). I dragged the slider very carefully, and above ~50.5% you get a perfect 1:1 ratio, but below this you get lost pixels.
at 55% you get the same; on the lower end of the 55% setting you get perfect 1:1, and on the right-hand side you get red in the tester program=above 1:1=extra pixels thrown in.
This is pretty strange. They have a sensitivity slider with over 100 notches [probably as many notches as your horizontal resolution--in my case 1280 positions on the slider] but windows only recognises 20 different settings, so really the setting only functions at intervals of approx. 5%.
Another thing: if you're like me and have a 400dpi mouse (logitech mini wheel optical, etc.), I've found 8/11 to be a good setting (8/11 is not as bad as 7/11 or 9/11, and definitely 11/11, because 8/11 is an exact 1:2 ratio [skips every 2nd pixel in order to move twice as fast], and nothing in sc2 is 1 pixel =p)
8 x 9.09 = 72.72
CONCLUSION:
There are as many notches as there are pixels drawn on your screen, yet windows only recognises 20 different mouse settings--that is, 5% intervals.
It's kind of hard to figure out the exact border lines of the intervals, so I suggest avoiding multiples of 5% (50%, 55%, 60%, 65%, etc.) because the borders will be fractions of these numbers. Set your sensitivity between multiples of 5 (theres no difference between 51%--54%; 71--74; 96--99 [and 100]; etc. There is no 100.0000000000001% or 0.9999999999% so it works out no matter what your screen resolution is).
EDIT:
The reason why multiples of 5% are inconsistent:
- There are fractions of percentages on the slider, however the displayed whole number percentage only changes when you hit a new whole number, whereas the computer rounds the numbers---so, you are at 49%.. you slide it up to 50%... then you slide it left a few pixels. It displays "50%", however you've actually set it to 49.1%. The computer rounds it down to 49 and you see "50".
CONFUSED PEOPLE:
People seem to be confused. I'll try to summarise some stuff.
- Your windows sensitivity doesn't matter at all. SC ignores it.
- There are only 20 mouse settings in starcraft2 (1--5, 5--10, 10--15, etc.), even though there more than 100 notches on the slider.
- for 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement, set your in-game sensitivity to anything between 51%--54% [with "enhance pointer precision" turned off in windows] -- not 50% as people previously thought (although it sort of is 50%; it's just that you can't see what the decimal point on the number is so it's safer to use 51--54) (that is, 51%, 52%, 53%, and 54% are all exactly the same mouse speed).
If you just want 1:1 pixel ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement stop here.
If however 51--54 is too slow, you should sacrifice the negligible 1 or 2 pixels of accuracy for a comfortable mouse speed. However, be careful that you avoid multiples of 5 because there are invisible decimal places that can make a big difference. (Theres no such thing as "exactly 80%". You're either playing at about 76 or about 84).
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Good info, thank you.
I always thought adjusting Windows settings actually affected SC2 ingame mouse movement... turns out they really aren't even related in regards to speed.
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So if you're below 1:1 you lose pixels (and therefore precision) because your cursor moves less than your physical mouse, and if you're above 6/11 (1:1) you also lose precision due to artificial generation of movement? This is the reasoning behind the theoretical 1:1 perfection point?
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On November 02 2010 14:22 rolled64 wrote:
So if you're below 1:1 you lose pixels (and therefore precision) because your cursor moves less than your physical mouse, and if you're above 6/11 (1:1) you also lose precision due to artificial generation of movement? This is the reasoning behind the theoretical 1:1 perfection point?
Basically.
You can read more about it here:
http://www.overclock.net/mice/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html
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Interesting article, I guess the ideal way to modulate mouse sensitivity is then to set windows (and SC2) at the theoretical 6/11 point and then change your DPI accordingly, as long as you have sufficient DPI. Do you know how much mouse movement is required to make a 180-degree turn in CS:S? I would guess that it would be the equivalent of moving your mouse across 1 horizontal screen length. I ask because I'm trying to create equivalent starcraft 2 formulae for the necessary dpi and such.
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This confuses me too much what if i just have my ingame at 100% windowed fullscreen @ desktop resolution and my windows at 8/11 it willjust be 8/11 yeah
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From what I gathered, SC2 ignores the windows mouse setting and instead uses its own psuedo-version of the same system, scaled to 100 notches rather than 11. As the OP said though, some wackiness arises with rounding. 8/11 in windows would be the equivalent of 72.72 in starcraft, to quote the OP.
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On November 02 2010 14:36 T0fuuu wrote:
This confuses me too much what if i just have my ingame at 100% windowed fullscreen @ desktop resolution and my windows at 8/11 it willjust be 8/11 yeah
In-game setting overrides windows setting.
Try setting windows to 1/11 and sc to 100%, etc.
If you have some other mouse driver (eg. razer), it complicates things.
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On November 02 2010 14:42 rolled64 wrote:
From what I gathered, SC2 ignores the windows mouse setting and instead uses its own psuedo-version of the same system, scaled to 100 notches rather than 11. As the OP said though, some wackiness arises with rounding. 8/11 in windows would be the equivalent of 72.72 in starcraft, to quote the OP.
The whacky rounding occurs because there are more than 100 notches (so sometimes when you set it to 50% it rounds down, sometimes it rounds up, depending on which notch within 50% you landed on).
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edit: was only able to successful port 1 equation from CS:S. This the least confusing version of the information I've gathered so far:
If you have a mouse that can change DPI:
1) Set your windows sensitivity to 6/11
2) Set your SC2 sensitivity from 51-54 (all these are actually the same and equivalent to 6/11 in windows)
3) Change your DPI until you get the sensitivity you like for your mouse.
Equation to change your windows sensitivity to 6/11 and change your DPI without modifying the true sensitivity (how it feels)
New DPI = Current DPI * (Current Windows Sens / 6)
For example, if right now you have 9/11 windows sensitivity and 500 DPI, you would do:
New DPI = 500 * (9/6) = 750, so ideally you'd set your windows sensitivity to 6/11 and your mouse DPI to 750 (or as close as you can set it).
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On November 02 2010 14:08 hide.X wrote:
It's kind of hard to figure out the exact border lines of the intervals, so I suggest avoiding multiples of 5% (50%, 55%, 60%, 65%, etc.) because the borders will be fractions of these numbers. Set your sensitivity between multiples of 5 (theres no difference between 51%--54%; 71--74; 96--99 [and 100]; etc. There is no 100.0000000000001% or 0.9999999999% so it works out no matter what your screen resolution is).
So you can set the sensitivity to any 51%--54%; 71--74 and still maintain 1:1? As long as you keep it in that 1-4 range your good?
Also since your knowledgeable on this information do you know how Razer's sensitively factors into the pixel ratio?
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wow this thread is very interesting but very confusing for my tiny mouse like brain so apologies ahead of time. I always have problems at lan and always just wing my mouse sensitivity because sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't; and it seems to vary per computers.
What your saying is my in-game sensitivity should NOT be x5 ?
or
is it my computer mouse sensitivity shouldn't be x5?
or mystery option 3?
edit: my settings of right now -
computer control panel: 7/11
in game: 67%
and my mouse is an basic logitech optical mouse
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gcubed:
A mouse maker doesn't change anything. Sensitivity should always be set to 1:1. If your DPI is too high or too low for your personal taste, lower the DPI.
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Huk:
Windows should be 6, the middle one.
SC2 should be 51% to 54%.
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Edited my above post to include the one equation I managed to successfully use from the CS:S article. Seems like if you don't have a mouse that can modify its DPI and your sensitivity at 6/11 is not pleasant, you're shafted.
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On November 02 2010 15:17 sk` wrote:
gcubed:
A mouse maker doesn't change anything. Sensitivity should always be set to 1:1. If your DPI is too high or too low for your personal taste, lower the DPI.
Sorry, i mean the Razer sensitivity controller that you download on your computer.
I have windows 6/11 startcraft2 54% and the Razer sensitivity at 9/10. I'm asking how the Razer sensitivity factors into the whole 1:1 pixel ratio.
also I'm curious at how he said x1-4 are all the same (1:1) Which would mean you can set SC2 sens to anything from 11-14 all the way to 91-94 and still maintain 1:1
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This thread confuses me. I use a Logitech G1, which is a 400dpi mouse. I've always used it with 8/11 sensitivity in windows. As for SC2 though, I've been play with it set to 80% as this has felt close to what my mouse moves like on the desktop. When I move it down to 55% or whatever like you suggest, it's way too slow, or am I missing something? What's the optimal percentage to use for a 400dpi mouse?
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On November 02 2010 15:42 ShivaN wrote:
This thread confuses me. I use a Logitech G1, which is a 400dpi mouse. I've always used it with 8/11 sensitivity in windows. As for SC2 though, I've been play with it set to 80% as this has felt close to what my mouse moves like on the desktop. When I move it down to 55% or whatever like you suggest, it's way too slow, or am I missing something? What's the optimal percentage to use for a 400dpi mouse?
You misread this he jsut means if you like a super fast mouse speed then dont' set it to 80% set it to 81%
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Canada1637 Posts
Can anyone confirm? This is all really confusing but basically you want 6/11 in windows, 51-54% in game, and then adjust the DPI on your mouse to decide exactly on sensitivity?
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Pretty interesting. I just tested mine and 50% is the same as 51-54% for me; I couldn't get it to round any differently, but I'll definitely be using 51% if I play on another computer just in case.
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On November 02 2010 14:42 hide.X wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 14:36 T0fuuu wrote:
This confuses me too much what if i just have my ingame at 100% windowed fullscreen @ desktop resolution and my windows at 8/11 it willjust be 8/11 yeah In-game setting overrides windows setting. Try setting windows to 1/11 and sc to 100%, etc. If you have some other mouse driver (eg. razer), it complicates things.
Not sure to understand there... I mean sure windows setting overides it, but what about the dpi ? I mean i've just recently bought another Logitech (g500) and toyed a lot with the settings. It seems like the X and Y dpi are kept in the sc2 settings. And i swear i could feel the difference betwen 58 to 59% and 59 to 60%... Unless i read it wrong ?
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On November 02 2010 15:42 ShivaN wrote:
This thread confuses me. I use a Logitech G1, which is a 400dpi mouse. I've always used it with 8/11 sensitivity in windows. As for SC2 though, I've been play with it set to 80% as this has felt close to what my mouse moves like on the desktop. When I move it down to 55% or whatever like you suggest, it's way too slow, or am I missing something? What's the optimal percentage to use for a 400dpi mouse?
An 8/11 sensitivity in Windows is equivalent to a 2:1 pixel ratio. Meaning that for every "dot" your mouse detects itself moving, you will move 2 pixels in Windows. In other words, your 8/11 setting makes it impossible for you to ever hit even-numbered pixels on your computer screen, but if your resolution is sufficiently high you probably don't care because the alternative is that you need to move your 400 dpi mouse almost 5 inches to cover 1920 pixels.
For those of us who don't have very low dpi mice, the most obvious desirable criterion for mouse settings is that for every "dot" the mouse detects itself moving, you move 1 pixel in the OS. For Windows/Starcraft, you get this setting by putting your Windows sensitivity to 6/11 and your Starcraft sensitivity to 51-54%. Then, knowing your screen resolution, you adjust your dpi so it takes however many inches to cover the screen length as you feel comfortable with.
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On November 02 2010 15:45 Adebisi wrote:
Can anyone confirm? This is all really confusing but basically you want 6/11 in windows, 51-54% in game, and then adjust the DPI on your mouse to decide exactly on sensitivity?
Yes, exactly.
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wow this has really fucked me up, but i want to try optimal, can you tell me how to make my setup the way your talking about so i can try it? my mouse has a DPI button on it, and when i click it up it makes the mouse go faster, also if i go into the driver settings and turn it up, it goes faster in starcraft, so wouldnt that mean that that windows settings DO effect sc? T___T
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On November 02 2010 15:18 sk` wrote:
Huk:
Windows should be 6, the middle one.
SC2 should be 51% to 54%.
If you want a 1:1 pixel ration that is.
But judging from Huk's settings he wants a faster mouse speed and if he isn't buying a mouse where he can change the dpi this advice is not for him.
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Papaz:
Exactly... if he wants faster, then a 1600dpi would be smart. You never want anything other than 1:1.
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^exactly. I mean that's how I understood it......
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On November 02 2010 16:55 sk` wrote:
Papaz:
Exactly... if he wants faster, then a 1600dpi would be smart. You never want anything other than 1:1.
Yea, you're right.
HuK just seemed to want to stick with his logitech optical (I assumed not able to change dpi) but still wanted a faster mouse cursor so he doesn't have an option besides pixel skipping.
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So how does mouse acceleration fit into this?
And which unit has a size of 1px so you _have to_ hit this pixel precisely to select it?
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turn accel down brother! so you can get used to the speed of the mouse...There is no 1 px unit,but u want to be as precise as possible.
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On November 02 2010 15:42 ShivaN wrote:
This thread confuses me. I use a Logitech G1, which is a 400dpi mouse. I've always used it with 8/11 sensitivity in windows. As for SC2 though, I've been play with it set to 80% as this has felt close to what my mouse moves like on the desktop. When I move it down to 55% or whatever like you suggest, it's way too slow, or am I missing something? What's the optimal percentage to use for a 400dpi mouse?
In G1 800dpi
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I updated the OP with this:
The reason why multiples of 5% are inconsistent:
- There are fractions of percentages on the slider, however the displayed whole number percentage only changes when you hit a new whole number, whereas the computer rounds the numbers---so, you are at 49%.. you slide it up to 50%... then you slide it left a few pixels. It displays "50%", however you've actually set it to 49.1%. The computer rounds it down to 49 and you see "50".
CONFUSED PEOPLE:
People seem to be confused. I'll try to summarise some stuff.
- Your windows sensitivity doesn't matter at all. SC ignores it.
- There are only 20 mouse settings in starcraft2 (1--5, 5--10, 10--15, etc.), even though there more than 100 notches on the slider.
- for 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement, set your in-game sensitivity to anything between 51%--54% -- not 50% as people previously thought (although it sort of is 50%; it's just that you can't see what the decimal point on the number is so it's safer to use 51--54) (that is, 51%, 52%, 53%, and 54% are all exactly the same mouse speed).
If you just want 1:1 pixel ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement stop here.
If however 51--54 is too slow, you should sacrifice the negligible 1 or 2 pixels of accuracy for a comfortable mouse speed. However, be careful that you avoid multiples of 5 because there are invisible decimal places that can make a big difference. (Theres no such thing as "exactly 80%". You're either playing at about 76 or about 84).
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On November 02 2010 15:15 Liquid`HuK wrote:
wow this thread is very interesting but very confusing for my tiny mouse like brain so apologies ahead of time. I always have problems at lan and always just wing my mouse sensitivity because sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't; and it seems to vary per computers.
What your saying is my in-game sensitivity should NOT be x5 ?
or
is it my computer mouse sensitivity shouldn't be x5?
or mystery option 3?
edit: my settings of right now -
computer control panel: 7/11
in game: 67%
and my mouse is an basic logitech optical mouse
It should NOT be x5. Yours is perfectly fine as it is. Maybe the LAN computers have different screen resolutions :/
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Just a clarification, if I want 1:1, and set ingame to say 54%, DPI doesnt affect this in any way? Because DPI allows you to set your speed at your liking? Then all you have to do Is set the ingame speed at 54% and that's it! :D
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On November 02 2010 17:28 Faraday wrote:
Just a clarification, if I want 1:1, and set ingame to say 54%, DPI doesnt affect this in any way? Because DPI allows you to set your speed at your liking? Then all you have to do Is set the ingame speed at 54% and that's it! :D
Yes. That's why they introduced adjustable DPI settings in the first place.
EDIT:
Protip:
This is often the case with audio devices too. It's preferable to set the computer volume to 50% and adjust the volume using the knobs, rather than having the knob on a low setting and the PC on 100% or something (and vice versa with high knob low % setting) -- because in some programs/implementations/interfaces you would sacrifice sound quality because it is boosting/supressing the sound artificially.
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Thanx for the info mate, I just tried/adjusted it and it's actually very useful!
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I feel a tremendous difference between 55% and 54%.
So much that I use so much more wrist movement at 54% and it hurts 
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My osu skills increased by over 9000 from this tip
Much thanks
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man if I understand this correct... which I should do, unless my brain is failing me more then usual  anyways im happy after reading this that my 6000 dpi mouse should arrive later today.. this shouldnt prove an issue with mouse speed for me then ^^
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so pretty much what ur saying is that 51% is actually more accurate than 50%?
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between 51 and 54 IF you're running 6/11 windows speed, atleast from what I understood, I don't see that you're mouse should skip pixels no matter you're speed settings... well old mice might do it, but the new ones should be accurate enough for that not to matter.
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On November 02 2010 18:40 Ptur wrote:
so pretty much what ur saying is that 51% is actually more accurate than 50%?
Yes
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How does say the razer control panel factor into this. It has sensitivity settings so what should I set them to if I want 1:1?
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Although the issue brought up by the op is valid, the post contains some useless affirmations.
I don't want to sound rude, but the way he tries to explain it is overcomplicated and to some extent wrong, therefore leading to misunderstandings.
1. It has nothing to do with the windows mouse settings
2. Starcraft 2 sensitivity is not n/100, it is n/101
So this part of the op...
windows sensitivity is n/11
starcraft2 sensitivity is n/100
100/11 = 9.0909090909090909...
If you want you sc2 sensitivity to be the same as your windows sensitivity..
windows sens x 9.09 = sc2 sens
6 x 9.09 = 54.54 (55% when rounded)
... is wrong and misleading. I think you should remove it from the op.
Anyway I tried and it verifies that you can have different mouse sensitivity even if in SC2 you are at 50%.
Now this doesn't mean that 50% it is not 1:1. It might be or might not, depending on where the slider is. If you never moved it probably it is ok.
Now just to make sure you have the right settings:
1: Go to Control Panel > Mouse > Pointer Options
2: disable "Echance pointer precision"
3: set the slider to the middle notch (the sixth)
(These 3 steppes are optional, probably it won't affect the SC 2 experience but it will certainly affect your desktop and maybe other games experience. Although those are recommended settings for any gamer, some may find it hard to adapt if they used other settings for a long time)
4: for those that can change their mouse DPI go in SC 2 and set the sensitivity to 51% (52%,53% will work also as they will be rounded back to 50%) and afterwards change your mouse DPI till you are comfortable with the sensitivity.
If you can't change the mouse DPI than you'll have to adjust it from the SC 2 slider. If you want a certain DPI equivalent I assume you can do the math somewhat similar to the way you do it with the windows mouse sensitivity slider.
(this is not verified but I think this is the way it is working, just take it with a grain of salt or do some tests to see if it verifies)
In windows if you use the 9th notch and you have a 800dpi mouse you'll end up with 9/6*800 = 1200dpi. The same gos in SC 2 if you set it to 80% and you have a 800dpi mouse you'll end up with 80/50*800 = 1280dpi.
But considering the op there are 2 more things to consider:
1. There are not 101 different sensitivities (0..100%), the sensitivity will be rounded by the system to a multiple of 5 so the values you should use to calculate your dpi should be multiple of 5 also.
2. The SC 2 user interface use another rounding by itself. So if you actually select, lets say, 49.6 with the slider the interface will display 50% (rounding it up) but the value used by the system will still be 49.6 and rounded down to 45%. So it will use 45% although it will display 50% in the game menu.
In order to avoid this, add +1 to the value you ended up with, after you calculate the value needed to get your dpi equivalent.
As an example if you have an 800dpi mouse but you want to play at 1000dpi you will need 65% (65/50*800=1040 - the closest value to 100dpi you can get to). But just to make sure it will actually be 65%, in the game menu set it to 66% (65+1).
This was a lot more difficult to explain than I thought. I just hope it is clear for everyone.
And not least, great findings, gg to the op.
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So let me get this straight, 6/11 is more than 5.5/11?
Edit: I see this has already been addressed. Thank you for clearing this up.
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On November 02 2010 14:08 hide.X wrote:
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Another thing: if you're like me and have a 400dpi mouse (logitech mini wheel optical, etc.), I've found 8/11 to be a good setting (8/11 is not as bad as 7/11 or 9/11, and definitely 11/11, because 8/11 is an exact 1:2 ratio [skips every 2nd pixel in order to move twice as fast], and nothing in sc2 is 1 pixel =p)
8 x 9.09 = 72.72
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can u clarify few things:
- why is 8/11 better than 6/11 or 7/11?
- 8/11 is 1:2 ratio of what? where does the 1:2 come from?
- and is that true only for 400dpi? or is 8/11 better than 6/11 and 7/11 for 800dpi also?
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So I have a Razer Salmosa set to 1800 DPI, 6/11 windows and like 63-64% in game this whole time.
If I set it to 51-54% it will be terribly slow and theres no increasing the DPI.
Therefore the only way not to skip pixels will be to increase the DPI in this situation by going back to using my deathadder?
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On November 02 2010 23:33 LostDevil wrote:
So I have a Razer Salmosa set to 1800 DPI, 6/11 windows and like 63-64% in game this whole time.
If I set it to 51-54% it will be terribly slow and theres no increasing the DPI.
Therefore the only way not to skip pixels will be to increase the DPI in this situation by going back to using my deathadder?
Yes
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On November 02 2010 23:39 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 23:33 LostDevil wrote:
So I have a Razer Salmosa set to 1800 DPI, 6/11 windows and like 63-64% in game this whole time.
If I set it to 51-54% it will be terribly slow and theres no increasing the DPI.
Therefore the only way not to skip pixels will be to increase the DPI in this situation by going back to using my deathadder? Yes
Ok, thank you!
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On November 02 2010 23:33 LostDevil wrote:
So I have a Razer Salmosa set to 1800 DPI, 6/11 windows and like 63-64% in game this whole time.
If I set it to 51-54% it will be terribly slow and theres no increasing the DPI.
Therefore the only way not to skip pixels will be to increase the DPI in this situation by going back to using my deathadder?
To play at the same speed but with the 51% sens in game you will need a mouse with about 2100dpi (2160dpi to be more precise).
But I think it is more important to play with the mouse you are used to than those pixels it might skip.
Also that sens is kind of high. A lower sens will give you better control.
I use 1200 or 1400 (don't remember exactly :D) at a 1:1 ratio - 6th notch in win, 50% (now 51% :D) in SC 2.
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Oh, this thread is wrong. No one should force people to play at particular game sensitivity, it's purely a matter of preference! Adjusting in-game sensitivity won't directly affect your mouse precision.
The correct way of doing this is:
1. Set windows mouse sensitivity to default/6 for 1:1 tracking.
2. Set your mouse for the highest dpi possible, for maximum precision.
3. Adjust sensitivity in-game to match your preference.
Regarding the last point a good way of doing this is to chose three points, e.g. a unit, a mineral patch and a building and try to click between them as fast as possible. If you notice you tend to click behind the object often - lower your sensitivity, if you can't reach the object immediately and click too close to the previous one, make it higher. Repeat until you can perfectly click on the objects.
Again in-game sensitivity is a matter of preference. For more info see:
http://www.overclock.net/mice/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html
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On November 02 2010 23:58 habermas wrote:Oh, this thread is wrong. No one should force people to play at particular game sensitivity, it's purely a matter of preference! Adjusting in-game sensitivity won't directly affect your mouse precision. Again in-game sensitivity is a matter of preference. For more info see: http://www.overclock.net/mice/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html
That thread and the advice you are giving is relevant to Counterstrike:Source. If you read the original post you will notice that the OP claims that the situation is different in SC2 and the in game sensitivity setting overrides the windows setting, such that the windows setting is irrelevant. As such if you want to change the speed of your mouse while maintaining a 1:1 ratio the only way to do it is by adjusting the DPI of your mouse with the SC2 sensitivity set to 51-54%.
Now I can't confirm or deny the OP's claims, but if what he says about SC2 overriding windows settings is correct, then what he states is perfectly valid. If however you don't consider 1:1 to be important in SC2 (which is perfectly conceivable considering nothing approaches one pixel in size), then you don't really have to care about this much at all and should just adjust your sensitivity using whatever tools you have, i.e. if you can't adjust the DPI of your mouse, just move the slider.
However, if you can adjust the DPI of your mouse to the level you want there is almost no reason to not have 1:1.
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On November 02 2010 15:15 Liquid`HuK wrote:
edit: my settings of right now -
computer control panel: 7/11
in game: 67%
Since I play with a logitech optical as well, since my unfortunately more succesful wc3-days - I've found a pretty big improvement in comfort after switching to 6/11 in game 50% (well, now I will try 52% and see what it does) and changing the speed solely with the DPI through the logitech driver settings
In a nutshell: not having the 6/11 and in game ~50% (now I've learned: ~52%) screws up the precision a bit, you don't want that. Notice that it is perfectly possible to achieve the exact same "speed" this way, it just needs an hour or few of playing around with the settings. Definitely worth it.
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What about acceleration? I have cursor acceleration turned off (moves at top speed instantly, no wind up) in the logitech setpoint program, something I can't do in Windows... Does this help or hurt my mouse input?
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I have a DeathAdder 3500. My screen resolution is 1920 x 1200.
What settings should I use in SC, Razer software ? I'm so confused (((
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I am really confused but thats ok, i dont see why 1:1 is important if you get used to something different.
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On November 03 2010 08:41 Bob300 wrote:
I am really confused but thats ok, i dont see why 1:1 is important if you get used to something different.
As far as I understand this issue, 1:1 means that you won't skip any pixels, which means that you have better precision. To get this 1:1 ratio within sc2 you need to set the slider to 51%-54%. To adjust the actual speed, you just change the dpi of your mouse.
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thanks I'm sure this will be useful to me in some way
// a no longer confused... well less confused person 
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So since I change my sensitivity using steelseries Ikari laser software CPI settings , I'm good? :S
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okay here a question for you, i have my mouse sensetivty set to 10, and max on windows and it still feels slow :/, i have it that hight because my carpole tunnle fucks up hard with heavy mouse swining where as twitching doesn't hurt :D.
basically i want sensetivey, how do i do that without it beging retarded inaccurate?
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< Fps nerd here.
1) You do NOT need to use 6/11 windows sensitivity. You shouldn't use above 7+, the pixel skipping raw input being lost.
Between 1-6, you are not losing input. At lower values it, for example, doubles the counts required to produce a single count. At above 6+, it will ignore counts. IE, it will ignore your mouse registering a right up up right (4 counts) and might do right right instead, missing out on 2 up counts.
Don't be fooled by "1:1" as a magic number. If you prefer a slower speed, lower it. You maintain accuracy.
I personally use 3/11 (I enjoy this speed on my desktop), with a 1800DPI mouses, thats technically 450dpi, but..
2) DPI does not mean accuracy. Having a higher DPI does not in any way mean you have more precision. Your precision is entirely down to the hardware sensor of the mouse and relevant hz counts, polling rate.
I use 1000hz polling rate, it's got it's benefits. (Xai)
But mouse marketed as 6000DPI doesn't mean you should use it at 6000DPI. I would simply suggest having your windows speed comfortable to you, up to 6/11, if you need your mouse any faster then you need a higher DPI mouse.
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Couple more DPI points;
FPS gamers can tend to have sensitivities of anything between 5-60+ (yes some CS'ers use more) cm to turn a simple 360 turn in a game. I think the majority of RTS gamers have something I would imagine a 5-10cm range, with every single thing within their "wrist zone" of aiming.
The funny thing is, DPI is marketed heavily at FPS gamers, who probably never need its potential, whilst RTS'ers are the ones who need higher DPI mouse to give them accuracy whilst wanting ridiculously fast sensitivities. I wince at you folks who use 8/11 and above in windows... try opening mspaint and draw accurate circles, compare 6 with 11 and make ugly jagged circles.
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this fucks my arm up every time
my DPI changes back when i alt tab in starcraft (after i did what was told here)
i use razer deathadder + drivers.....
i dont see the benefit of 1:1 ratio, all it does is giving me pain in my wrist
ill keep it at 10/11 in windows
and 81% ingame
with 3500 DPI
at 1920 x 1080
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On November 02 2010 23:03 nemukud wrote:
Although the issue brought up by the op is valid, the post contains some useless affirmations.
I don't want to sound rude, but the way he tries to explain it is overcomplicated and to some extent wrong, therefore leading to misunderstandings.
1. It has nothing to do with the windows mouse settings
2. Starcraft 2 sensitivity is not n/100, it is n/101
1) I was just trying to say that if you know your comfortable settings for windows, you can use some simple math to calculate the equivalent in sc2 land. I had trouble expressing myself though.
2) Yeah my bad. I assumed there was no 0%, as IT IMPLIES ZERO MOVEMENT. That's kinda stupid... at 0% the cursor still moves haha.
101/11 = 9.1818181818...
9.18 x 6 = 55.08
hmmmmmmm
I'm testing the difference between 0% and 1% and I can't see any (though I admit it's really hard to tell).
Should we assume 0% is the same as 1%? It makes no sense for ZERO TO MOVE. Not sure what to think.
so that brings us back to 100/11=9.09 I guess
On November 02 2010 23:03 nemukud wrote:
2. The SC 2 user interface use another rounding by itself. So if you actually select, lets say, 49.6 with the slider the interface will display 50% (rounding it up) but the value used by the system will still be 49.6 and rounded down to 45%. So it will use 45% although it will display 50% in the game menu.
In order to avoid this, add +1 to the value you ended up with, after you calculate the value needed to get your dpi equivalent.
As an example if you have an 800dpi mouse but you want to play at 1000dpi you will need 65% (65/50*800=1040 - the closest value to 100dpi you can get to). But just to make sure it will actually be 65%, in the game menu set it to 66% (65+1).
This was a lot more difficult to explain than I thought. I just hope it is clear for everyone.
And not least, great findings, gg to the op.
This stuff is surprisingly hard to express =p
I actually think it might be that the displayed whole number percentage isn't rounded, but rather only displays a new figure once the slider arrives at a new whole number (so if you're at 55 and you slide it right by 0.9 it will still display "55", while the computer interprets it as 56).
I actually wasn't intending to tell people to use 1:1 ratio sensitivity or even discuss it. I linked to the thread that deals with that sort of stuff. I personally use 82%.
I just wanted to say five things:
1) There are only 20 mouse settings (the 100 percentages are divided into chunks of 5), even though there are over 100 notches on the setting (there are invisible decimal points).
2) The 'edges' of these 20 settings are the numbers that are multiples of 5 (50,55,60,etc.) so you should avoid these numbers because you might land on a decimal point that secretly rounds up/down your setting to a setting you don't like. (this is why the thread has its title -- people might go to a LAN and set their mouse to 50% and unwittingly be using 46~49 due to rounding).
3) Windows' mouse setting has no impact on the in-game setting (this is all mentioned in the thread I linked to though).
4) RAZER/SETPOINT/WHATEVER drivers are not windows' drivers. These other drivers will probably affect in-game settings. I'm not going to answer questions about these drivers because, really, to do so would require me to googe it.
5) If you are madly in love with your windows mouse setting, and want to know what the equivalent setting is in starcraft2 -- multiply the windows mouse speed by 9.09 to get the equivalent.
On November 02 2010 23:24 sinK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 14:08 hide.X wrote:
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Another thing: if you're like me and have a 400dpi mouse (logitech mini wheel optical, etc.), I've found 8/11 to be a good setting (8/11 is not as bad as 7/11 or 9/11, and definitely 11/11, because 8/11 is an exact 1:2 ratio [skips every 2nd pixel in order to move twice as fast], and nothing in sc2 is 1 pixel =p)
8 x 9.09 = 72.72
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can u clarify few things: - why is 8/11 better than 6/11 or 7/11? - 8/11 is 1:2 ratio of what? where does the 1:2 come from? - and is that true only for 400dpi? or is 8/11 better than 6/11 and 7/11 for 800dpi also?
6/11 is theoretically the best, because for every bit of movement that the mouse 'sees', the cursor moves 1 pixel (1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement).
I say 8/11 is 'ok', because it just moves the cursor 2 pixels for every bit of movement the mouse recognises. The mouse just moves in chunks of 2 pixels, thereby moving twice as fast.
7/11 moves 1.5 pixels for every bit of movement. But there are no half pixels. So what happens is that, as you drag the mouse, it moves 1 pixel, 3 pixels, 1 pixel, 3 pixels -- the movement is more crazy.
at 11/11 it moves 3.5 pixels per minima of movement (3, 5, 3 ,5). Which means that no matter how good you are with your hands, you could always be 5 pixels off of your intended destination.
It is true of all DPIs. DPI refers to how good your mouse's 'vision' is. A high DPI mouse moves faster than a low DPI mouse at the same setting, because it recognises smaller chunks of movement.
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Ok heres a metaphor for people who don't get DPI:
Imagine your mousepad is like a monitor (it has pixels). Higher DPI mouse means higher resolution mousepad. You move your hand 1 inch and the shitty mouse recognises that it has moved "3 pixels" so at 6/11 your cursor moves 3 pixels across your monitor; or at 11/11 it moves 11 pixels across your monitor.
You buy a $300 mouse with super high DPI. You move an inch across your mousepad and it recognises that it has moved "15 pixels" so at 6/11 your cursor moves 15 pixels across your monitor; or at 11/11 it moves 165 pixels across your monitor.
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On November 03 2010 10:38 hide.X wrote:
6/11 is theoretically the best, because for every bit of movement that the mouse 'sees', the cursor moves 1 pixel (1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement).
Below 6 is fine too. Handy if your mouse can only function properly at 1800DPI (old deathadders) whilst you want around 900, so, better set windows lower.
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So anywhere between 51-54 sc2 equates to 1:1 and the same speed...?
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ugh.... this makes me want to go fiddle with my sens now. arg i need to do hw!
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Alright....so:
1) 6/11 in windows
2) 51%-54% in-game for SCII
3) Use dpi to chance the speed of your cursor on-screen
For FPS players though....its different.
Thats basically what has happened so far in this discussion right?
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On November 03 2010 11:14 pksens wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 10:38 hide.X wrote:
6/11 is theoretically the best, because for every bit of movement that the mouse 'sees', the cursor moves 1 pixel (1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement).
Below 6 is fine too. Handy if your mouse can only function properly at 1800DPI (old deathadders) whilst you want around 900, so, better set windows lower.
No, under 6/11 your computer throws away pixels to slow it down.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2010 10:38 hide.X wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 23:03 nemukud wrote:
Although the issue brought up by the op is valid, the post contains some useless affirmations.
I don't want to sound rude, but the way he tries to explain it is overcomplicated and to some extent wrong, therefore leading to misunderstandings.
1. It has nothing to do with the windows mouse settings
2. Starcraft 2 sensitivity is not n/100, it is n/101
1) I was just trying to say that if you know your comfortable settings for windows, you can use some simple math to calculate the equivalent in sc2 land. I had trouble expressing myself though. 2) Yeah my bad. I assumed there was no 0%, as IT IMPLIES ZERO MOVEMENT. That's kinda stupid... at 0% the cursor still moves haha. 101/11 = 9.1818181818... 9.18 x 6 = 55.08 hmmmmmmm I'm testing the difference between 0% and 1% and I can't see any (though I admit it's really hard to tell). Should we assume 0% is the same as 1%? It makes no sense for ZERO TO MOVE. Not sure what to think. so that brings us back to 100/11=9.09 I guess Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 23:03 nemukud wrote:
2. The SC 2 user interface use another rounding by itself. So if you actually select, lets say, 49.6 with the slider the interface will display 50% (rounding it up) but the value used by the system will still be 49.6 and rounded down to 45%. So it will use 45% although it will display 50% in the game menu.
In order to avoid this, add +1 to the value you ended up with, after you calculate the value needed to get your dpi equivalent.
As an example if you have an 800dpi mouse but you want to play at 1000dpi you will need 65% (65/50*800=1040 - the closest value to 100dpi you can get to). But just to make sure it will actually be 65%, in the game menu set it to 66% (65+1).
This was a lot more difficult to explain than I thought. I just hope it is clear for everyone.
And not least, great findings, gg to the op. This stuff is surprisingly hard to express =p I actually think it might be that the displayed whole number percentage isn't rounded, but rather only displays a new figure once the slider arrives at a new whole number (so if you're at 55 and you slide it right by 0.9 it will still display "55", while the computer interprets it as 56). I actually wasn't intending to tell people to use 1:1 ratio sensitivity or even discuss it. I linked to the thread that deals with that sort of stuff. I personally use 82%. I just wanted to say five things: 1) There are only 25 mouse settings (the 100 percentages are divided into chunks of 5), even though there are over 100 notches on the setting (there are invisible decimal points). 2) The 'edges' of these 25 settings are the numbers that are multiples of 5 (50,55,60,etc.) so you should avoid these numbers because you might land on a decimal point that secretly rounds up/down your setting to a setting you don't like. (this is why the thread has its title -- people might go to a LAN and set their mouse to 50% and unwittingly be using 46~49 due to rounding). 3) Windows' mouse setting has no impact on the in-game setting (this is all mentioned in the thread I linked to though). 4) RAZER/SETPOINT/WHATEVER drivers are not windows' drivers. These other drivers will probably affect in-game settings. I'm not going to answer questions about these drivers because, really, to do so would require me to googe it. 5) If you are madly in love with your windows mouse setting, and want to know what the equivalent setting is in starcraft2 -- multiply the windows mouse speed by 9.09 to get the equivalent. Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 23:24 sinK wrote:On November 02 2010 14:08 hide.X wrote:
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Another thing: if you're like me and have a 400dpi mouse (logitech mini wheel optical, etc.), I've found 8/11 to be a good setting (8/11 is not as bad as 7/11 or 9/11, and definitely 11/11, because 8/11 is an exact 1:2 ratio [skips every 2nd pixel in order to move twice as fast], and nothing in sc2 is 1 pixel =p)
8 x 9.09 = 72.72
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can u clarify few things: - why is 8/11 better than 6/11 or 7/11? - 8/11 is 1:2 ratio of what? where does the 1:2 come from? - and is that true only for 400dpi? or is 8/11 better than 6/11 and 7/11 for 800dpi also? 6/11 is theoretically the best, because for every bit of movement that the mouse 'sees', the cursor moves 1 pixel (1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement). I say 8/11 is 'ok', because it just moves the cursor 2 pixels for every bit of movement the mouse recognises. The mouse just moves in chunks of 2 pixels, thereby moving twice as fast. 7/11 moves 1.5 pixels for every bit of movement. But there are no half pixels. So what happens is that, as you drag the mouse, it moves 1 pixel, 3 pixels, 1 pixel, 3 pixels -- the movement is more crazy. at 11/11 it moves 3.5 pixels per minima of movement (3, 5, 3 ,5). Which means that no matter how good you are with your hands, you could always be 5 pixels off of your intended destination. It is true of all DPIs. DPI refers to how good your mouse's 'vision' is. A high DPI mouse moves faster than a low DPI mouse at the same setting, because it recognises smaller chunks of movement.
So as an example for point #5 : If I have 6/11 in Windows, multiply by 9.09 = 54.54 ? --> so 54 sens in SC2?
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I believe you DONT want a 1:1 ratio... most pro gamers seems to use a fairly high sensitivity so they can do the almost everything with minimal movement. You dont want to be swinging your arm around. Now you dont want to so high that you cant consistently click where you want.
For First person shooters, i believe you would want 1:1 or someone slow to be as accurate as possible without losing your ability to navigate and react.
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On November 03 2010 10:38 hide.X wrote:
1) There are only 25 mouse settings (the 100 percentages are divided into chunks of 5), even though there are over 100 notches on the setting (there are invisible decimal points).
2) The 'edges' of these 25 settings are the numbers that are multiples of 5 (50,55,60,etc.) so you should avoid these numbers because you might land on a decimal point that secretly rounds up/down your setting to a setting you don't like. (this is why the thread has its title -- people might go to a LAN and set their mouse to 50% and unwittingly be using 46~49 due to rounding).
100/5=20. Not 25... You've been making the same mistake in other posts as well. If there were 25 settings then the chunks would be 4% each.
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On November 03 2010 09:20 Crystal368 wrote:
So since I change my sensitivity using steelseries Ikari laser software CPI settings , I'm good? :S
Yes. Just set windows to 6/11 and SC2 to 51-54 and then only change your CPI settings in the mouse software.
On November 03 2010 10:03 Mutaahh wrote:
i dont see the benefit of 1:1 ratio, all it does is giving me pain in my wrist
You dont get pixel skipping. Thats the only benefit and quite a good one. You can still get a faster mouse speed by just having a high dpi mouse. But you sure seem to have high sens mouse and all and still not satisfied *lol*.
On November 03 2010 17:03 s4m222 wrote:
I believe you DONT want a 1:1 ratio... most pro gamers seems to use a fairly high sensitivity so they can do the almost everything with minimal movement. You dont want to be swinging your arm around. Now you dont want to so high that you cant consistently click where you want.
For First person shooters, i believe you would want 1:1 or someone slow to be as accurate as possible without losing your ability to navigate and react.
Don't confuse 1:1 ratio with having a high sens. You can still have a high sens but have a 1:1 ratio. Just get a mouse with high dpi settings and you can crank up the dpi on your mouse and have high sensitivity. 1:1 ratio has "nothing" to do with slow mouse speed. It only means that ratio between mouse movement and cursor movement is 1:1. If your mouse reported 1000 pixels instead of 100 pixels for 1 inch you would get a much higher sens but still 1:1 ratio.
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On November 03 2010 17:19 Ludrik wrote:
100/5=20
FUUUUUUUUUUu
lol
ok I've hidden all the evidence >_>
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On November 03 2010 15:02 hide.X wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 11:14 pksens wrote:On November 03 2010 10:38 hide.X wrote:
6/11 is theoretically the best, because for every bit of movement that the mouse 'sees', the cursor moves 1 pixel (1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement).
Below 6 is fine too. Handy if your mouse can only function properly at 1800DPI (old deathadders) whilst you want around 900, so, better set windows lower. No, under 6/11 your computer throws away pixels to slow it down.
But you want to slow it down? You make it sound like you are losing accuracy which is wrong. You will have to move it further on your mousepad but you pointer wont be skipping pixels in any way. And like you said before, windows sense does not influense SC2...
Know some friends who sometimes draw on the comp, for the really extra super accurate stuff they lower the sensitivity in windows since that makes it easier.
You are not using all the DPI your mouse is capable of, but if you prefer it slower you are not losing anything by lowering it.
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Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control.
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On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control.
Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine.
This discussion wouldn't be out of place if you were playing CS in 640x480 resolution where the pixels are as big as your fist and an enemy at long range might only have a few pixels of head area to shoot. But now with much higher resolutions just at 1600x1200 no matter what sensitivity your mouse is at you are already at least 50% more accurate then even a 1:1 mouse at 640x480 used to be. Its completely a thing of the past.
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On November 03 2010 23:29 Cyclon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control. Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine.
Still, why don't you "want" to remove technical reasons for misclicks if you "can"?
I mean, just look at professional sports, how many stupid things those pros do just to feel confident - like in Tennis how many players have a "ritual" to change rackets at certain points in the game, which, tbh, isn't related to the "feeling" but just makes them feel better.
Therefore, why not have the "perfect" settings to feel calm and good when you play? Of course you are true that these are placebos to some exten - my point is: why the hell not? It doesn't cost you money and won't hurt anybody
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On November 03 2010 23:40 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 23:29 Cyclon wrote:On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control. Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine. Still, why don't you "want" to remove technical reasons for misclicks if you "can"? I mean, just look at professional sports, how many stupid things those pros do just to feel confident - like in Tennis how many players have a "ritual" to change rackets at certain points in the game, which, tbh, isn't related to the "feeling" but just makes them feel better. Therefore, why not have the "perfect" settings to feel calm and good when you play? Of course you are true that these are placebos to some exten - my point is: why the hell not? It doesn't cost you money and won't hurt anybody
Lets pretend that in a game you move your mouse dead on to the pixel edge of a unit. With a 1:1 mouse you have a 100% chance of hitting, otherwise you have a 50% chance because your mouse might drift 1 pixel. But on the flip side, lets say you move your mouse just a tad bit further during play. With a 1:1 mouse you have a 0% chance of hitting, while otherwise you would have a 50% chance of the mouse being 1 pixel short. In the end, your odds of a misclick effectively about the same either way. And how many times does anyone really just accidentally miss by a pixel? Units are like 50 pixels wide anyway and unless you are really new to using a mouse you are clicking them near the center in the first place.
Also, it certainly costs money if you have to find the perfect DPI mouse. 1:1 pixel accuracy only helps if your mouse sensitivity is also perfect in the first place. If you have to use an uncomfortable sensitivity to reach 1:1 pixel accuracy then your gameplay is going to be hurt 100x more then it ever could be because your arm will get tired or feel uncomfortable or w/e. A mouse with the right DPI to suit your preferred sensitivity might not even exist, or if it may the mouse shape may suck or the buttons may feel bad, etc. A mouse being a poor form is also going to hurt you much more then occasionally missing by 1 pixel. So unless you have thousands of dollars worth of time and money to spare testing every mouse in creation you are best off just getting the most comfortable mouse and changing the sensitivity as you please.
If you want to make an argument that something helps you 'feel better' about your play, then absolutely everything is up for grabs. Memorize trignometric integrals, pray to Cthulu, milk your cat, mess with your mouse sensitivity, whatever. These are all equally helpful things and if they make you feel good go ahead and do them.
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On November 03 2010 23:40 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 23:29 Cyclon wrote:On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control. Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine. Still, why don't you "want" to remove technical reasons for misclicks if you "can"?
If you can't hit a 10x10 pixel target the problem is not your mouse/screen ratio. Even if your mouse skips every other pixel, that's still a tiny difference compared to the amount you overshot the center of that 10x10 pixel target by.
And placebos are bad because they detract you from things that actually improve your play.
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On November 03 2010 23:49 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 23:40 sleepingdog wrote:On November 03 2010 23:29 Cyclon wrote:On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control. Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine. Still, why don't you "want" to remove technical reasons for misclicks if you "can"? If you can't hit a 10x10 pixel target the problem is not your mouse/screen ratio. Even if your mouse skips every other pixel, that's still a tiny difference compared to the amount you overshot the center of that 10x10 pixel target by. And placebos are bad because they detract you from things that actually improve your play.
Every game and sport has little things like these that serious players try to use to get an edge. This is a forum for serious players so I think it's more than appropriate for these threads to exist. Obsessing over pixel perfect mouse movement is a distraction, but just dismissing sensitivity tweaks as placebos does a disservice to people who may be playing with sub-optimal settings.
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On November 04 2010 00:53 MysteryHours wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 23:49 kojinshugi wrote:On November 03 2010 23:40 sleepingdog wrote:On November 03 2010 23:29 Cyclon wrote:On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control. Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine. Still, why don't you "want" to remove technical reasons for misclicks if you "can"? If you can't hit a 10x10 pixel target the problem is not your mouse/screen ratio. Even if your mouse skips every other pixel, that's still a tiny difference compared to the amount you overshot the center of that 10x10 pixel target by. And placebos are bad because they detract you from things that actually improve your play. Every game and sport has little things like these that serious players try to use to get an edge. This is a forum for serious players so I think it's more than appropriate for these threads to exist. Obsessing over pixel perfect mouse movement is a distraction, but just dismissing sensitivity tweaks as placebos does a disservice to people who may be playing with sub-optimal settings.
Low-dpi, imprecise mice are bad. Uneven mouse surfaces are bad. Unwieldy keybinds are bad. Randomly changing tracking speed is bad.
Getting your mouse tracking to 1:1 vs screen pixels is cargo cult handwaving based on technologically ancient paradigms, and obsessing over shit like that is a net loss.
And your implication that advocating objectively effective methods of improving ones play makes one a "non-serious player" is hard to describe, in that I can't figure out if it's more arrogant than it is ignorant.
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This discussion seems to be completely moot. In theory it sounds great to have 1:1 ratio, but what do people do? They increase Dpi to get comfortable high sensitivity, but that introduces more room for errors..
hand -> [sensitivity&Dpi] -> screen
Both values are linked, it doesn't really matter which one you adjust. Let's say you only feel comfortable with a sensitivity of 1cm = 200px.
If you have a mouse with 1:2 ratio, it tracks 1mm movement and you have 100 possible steps.
If you have a mouse with 1:1 ratio, it tracks 0.5mm movement and you have 200 possible steps.
Sounds great but who is that gosu, that he can move his hand with 0.5mm accuracy?
All this theory is only valid for fps players that play with very low sensitivity. Since losing pixels would make their surface-to-pixel ratio even bigger and skipping pixels would defeat the purpose of low sens. But honestly how many people play RTS/use windows with low sens?
For high sens players it just doesn't matter, as hand movement by default is to inaccurate (especially on fast motions). The only option would be to increase the surface-to-pixel ratio (lower sens) and not just the tracking resolution, but if you feel uncomfortable with lower sens/suffer from fatigue, that isn't an option.
The only advantage to adjust sensitivity through Dpi is, that you can change the horizontal&vertical sensitivity independently and most gaming mice allow storage of multiple settings, so you can switch sensitivity levels on the fly and not just inside the options menu, which might be handy for players who prefer different sens based on the weapon they currently have. (of course that doesn't apply to SC at all xD)
edit: A better topic would probably a technical discussion about different mice, their accuracy&tracking rate. A cheap optical mice might lose tracking on very fast movements, while a gaming grade mice still tracks fine (regardless of movement speed), because it has a faster&more reliable tracking rate.
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So I play at 11/11, and I 91-94% for Sc2. I'd like to increase my precesion without sacrificing my speed.
I've never used a gaming mouse, but I do have the Logitech M400 laser mouse (800 DPI) but I do not have a mousepad, I just use a wooden surface. Would a quality gaming mousepad help increase me out more, or would a different mouse be a lot better?
Great thread too.
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Can someone explain why acceleration is bad? i had it "on" for many years now and didnt seem to have any problems.
I turned it off now to test it a few days(to get used to it) but for now I can say that I dont like it so far :p
What exactly is the advantage of no acceleration?
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On November 04 2010 03:23 Sewi wrote:
Can someone explain why acceleration is bad? i had it "on" for many years now and didnt seem to have any problems.
I turned it off now to test it a few days(to get used to it) but for now I can say that I dont like it so far :p
What exactly is the advantage of no acceleration?
You can't predict where the mouse will go when you pan across the screen because it depends on the speed at which you move it and not just the distance you move your hand/wrist.
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On November 04 2010 03:30 Lumb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 03:23 Sewi wrote:
Can someone explain why acceleration is bad? i had it "on" for many years now and didnt seem to have any problems.
I turned it off now to test it a few days(to get used to it) but for now I can say that I dont like it so far :p
What exactly is the advantage of no acceleration? You can't predict where the mouse will go when you pan across the screen because it depends on the speed at which you move it and not just the distance you move your hand/wrist.
Ok thanks, I understand this so far.
But are there any disadvantages besides that? Because it seems that this doesnt really effect precision as long as someone is used to it.
As I explained, I am very used to acceleration and i always hit everything I want (with my mouse)
Now, that I tried no acceleration, I always move my mouse too far :p
If there are no disadvantages besides "being used to one or the other setting" I dont think it is worth changing it for me.
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On November 04 2010 03:34 Sewi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 03:30 Lumb wrote:On November 04 2010 03:23 Sewi wrote:
Can someone explain why acceleration is bad? i had it "on" for many years now and didnt seem to have any problems.
I turned it off now to test it a few days(to get used to it) but for now I can say that I dont like it so far :p
What exactly is the advantage of no acceleration? You can't predict where the mouse will go when you pan across the screen because it depends on the speed at which you move it and not just the distance you move your hand/wrist. Ok thanks, I understand this so far. But are there any disadvantages besides that? Because it seems that this doesnt really effect precision as long as someone is used to it. As I explained, I am very used to acceleration and i always hit everything I want (with my mouse) Now, that I tried no acceleration, I always move my mouse too far :p If there are no disadvantages besides "being used to one or the other setting" I dont think it is worth changing it for me.
Its easy to still think you are fine with it but in reality you are probably often overshooting or undershooting your target and being forced to correct while moving, which slows you down a bit. Its very hard to recognize if you are used to correcting for the error but it still slows you down. Ideally you should be able to snap your mouse between two points without needing to look at the screen and check where your mouse cursor went, and you can't do that with acceleration.
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I had a 400 dpi logitech optical I used before until it broke and I'm using a logitech 800 dpi mini optical now and I honestly don't think I could be able to tell the difference between having everything set correctly and just jacking up the mouse sensitivity. I don't want to sacrifice the higher sensitivity I like and I guess I could buy a high dpi mouse but I haven't really noticed a problem with what I'm using now and the lmo feels great.
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I don't think there is a mathematically ideal way to set your mouse sensitivity, seems to me that it everyone should simply setup their mouse so that it works for THEM. I've got my sensitivity acceleration etc. set up what is just right for me, and I never have mis-clicks happen that are mouse related, if I mis-click its because I actually missed. Also most gaming mice (if not all) should allow you set the sensitivity, speed, and even polling rate from the mouse driver options menu. In other words always set your windows and in-game sensitivity to an arbitrary amount, lets say 50%, and then let the mouse software do its job. This will result in at LAN you simply set windows/game to 50%, and your mouse will always work the way it did at your house.
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congratz 6/11 is not 50%
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l2live life?
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I'm confused.
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |10|11|
| -5 | -4 | -3 | -2 | -1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
There's 11 spaces. I thought that was how it worked. Or something similar.
In game sensitivity I believe is preference, and you can do whatever you want with it. But windows sensitivity should always be 6.
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On November 04 2010 00:59 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 00:53 MysteryHours wrote:On November 03 2010 23:49 kojinshugi wrote:On November 03 2010 23:40 sleepingdog wrote:On November 03 2010 23:29 Cyclon wrote:On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control. Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine. Still, why don't you "want" to remove technical reasons for misclicks if you "can"? If you can't hit a 10x10 pixel target the problem is not your mouse/screen ratio. Even if your mouse skips every other pixel, that's still a tiny difference compared to the amount you overshot the center of that 10x10 pixel target by. And placebos are bad because they detract you from things that actually improve your play. Every game and sport has little things like these that serious players try to use to get an edge. This is a forum for serious players so I think it's more than appropriate for these threads to exist. Obsessing over pixel perfect mouse movement is a distraction, but just dismissing sensitivity tweaks as placebos does a disservice to people who may be playing with sub-optimal settings. Low-dpi, imprecise mice are bad. Uneven mouse surfaces are bad. Unwieldy keybinds are bad. Randomly changing tracking speed is bad. Getting your mouse tracking to 1:1 vs screen pixels is cargo cult handwaving based on technologically ancient paradigms, and obsessing over shit like that is a net loss. And your implication that advocating objectively effective methods of improving ones play makes one a "non-serious player" is hard to describe, in that I can't figure out if it's more arrogant than it is ignorant.
It certainly wasn't my intention to suggest that other more important ways of improving your game are somehow for non-serious players. My point was that while yes, posts like these are of little use to casual players, they have their place in a forum of serious players (along with "objectively effective methods of improving ones play", obviously).
There are in depth posts here about all sorts of aspects of the game that have little to no actual bearing on how well you actually play (analysis of how the ladder works, for example). If people choose to obsess over these things instead of actually improving their gameplay, well that's their problem. No one here should be saying 1:1 mouse tracking is going to massively improve your game, it's just a 'the more you know' thing.
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On November 04 2010 09:20 MysteryHours wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 00:59 kojinshugi wrote:On November 04 2010 00:53 MysteryHours wrote:On November 03 2010 23:49 kojinshugi wrote:On November 03 2010 23:40 sleepingdog wrote:On November 03 2010 23:29 Cyclon wrote:On November 03 2010 23:01 kojinshugi wrote:
Anyone who thinks 1:1 ratio is uber important has a seriously inflated opinion on the accuracy of human motor control. Indeed. Distractions like this are just placebos to make people feel like they are somehow improving their game. The bottom line is that there is no game in which you ever have a use for pixel perfect accuracy. When Blizzard patches SC2 to allow you to zoom out and see the whole battlefield then we can talk about 1:1 pixel accuracy when every unit ends up being 1 pixel tall. Until then, as long as your cursor can comfortably and quickly reach all 4 corners of the screen your sensitivity is fine. Still, why don't you "want" to remove technical reasons for misclicks if you "can"? If you can't hit a 10x10 pixel target the problem is not your mouse/screen ratio. Even if your mouse skips every other pixel, that's still a tiny difference compared to the amount you overshot the center of that 10x10 pixel target by. And placebos are bad because they detract you from things that actually improve your play. Every game and sport has little things like these that serious players try to use to get an edge. This is a forum for serious players so I think it's more than appropriate for these threads to exist. Obsessing over pixel perfect mouse movement is a distraction, but just dismissing sensitivity tweaks as placebos does a disservice to people who may be playing with sub-optimal settings. Low-dpi, imprecise mice are bad. Uneven mouse surfaces are bad. Unwieldy keybinds are bad. Randomly changing tracking speed is bad. Getting your mouse tracking to 1:1 vs screen pixels is cargo cult handwaving based on technologically ancient paradigms, and obsessing over shit like that is a net loss. And your implication that advocating objectively effective methods of improving ones play makes one a "non-serious player" is hard to describe, in that I can't figure out if it's more arrogant than it is ignorant. It certainly wasn't my intention to suggest that other more important ways of improving your game are somehow for non-serious players. My point was that while yes, posts like these are of little use to casual players, they have their place in a forum of serious players (along with "objectively effective methods of improving ones play", obviously). There are in depth posts here about all sorts of aspects of the game that have little to no actual bearing on how well you actually play (analysis of how the ladder works, for example). If people choose to obsess over these things instead of actually improving their gameplay, well that's their problem. No one here should be saying 1:1 mouse tracking is going to massively improve your game, it's just a 'the more you know' thing.
The problem is that the mere existence of this thread implies that 1:1 pixel accuracy is some pro-approved way to improve your play. No noobie reads up on the ladder system expecting to improve their SC play from it, but they may end up doing silly things with their settings while operating on the incorrect notion that there is some 'correct' settings they should be using.
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Why are so many going on and on about "one pixel doesn't matter, you are not better player because of 1:1 etc"?
The OP had a great finding and he shared that with the community. Whether you like the suggestion or not there is no reason to jump on the "hey, lets diss the 1:1 pixel ratio bandwagon".
Like someone said. Every sport has it's own gimmicks. You probably have your favourite graphics options/favourite keyboard etc when in reality the effects of that on your gameplay would hardly be noticable even if you convince yourself it is. But still it matters to you.
Why 1:1 pixel ratio is "good" is self explanatory regardless of the actual (non) implication on your game.
You move one pixel - the cursor moves one pixel. No probabilistic (like the example someone gave with 50% chance of hitting right), no fancy equations on mouse acceleration, pixel skipping and rounding to closest pixel etc.
It simplifies the settings you have to do. But if you feel comfortable on having different enhancement options whether in SC2 settings or in windows then do it but it is getting a bit old that whenever these threads pop up someone feels the need to discuss "why it doesn't matter".
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Okey I bought new razer abyssus mouse and have few questions
So firstly if I make SC2 sensitivity to 54 then I can't adjust mouse dpi for my needs - 450dpi is too low, 1800dpi is too high and 3500dpi is also too high sensitivity for me. So it's best to put mouse dpi on max(3500) and make SC2 sensitivity just like it is comfortable for me, or? Now on SC2 it is only 17, and on windows it's 2/11. Is there any advantage in lowering mouse dpi and increasing windows/SC2 sensitivity?
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On December 29 2010 00:57 Alpina wrote:Okey I bought new razer abyssus mouse and have few questions So firstly if I make SC2 sensitivity to 54 then I can't adjust mouse dpi for my needs - 450dpi is too low, 1800dpi is too high and 3500dpi is also too high sensitivity for me. So it's best to put mouse dpi on max(3500) and make SC2 sensitivity just like it is comfortable for me, or? Now on SC2 it is only 17, and on windows it's 2/11. Is there any advantage in lowering mouse dpi and increasing windows/SC2 sensitivity?
Not really since the high dpi is just the mouse's own sensitivity. I run 1500 dpi 6/11 and i think I have default sc2 sensitivity. If you use another mouse for any reason you will have to re-fit the sensitivity on your computer.
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On December 29 2010 00:57 Alpina wrote:Okey I bought new razer abyssus mouse and have few questions So firstly if I make SC2 sensitivity to 54 then I can't adjust mouse dpi for my needs - 450dpi is too low, 1800dpi is too high and 3500dpi is also too high sensitivity for me. So it's best to put mouse dpi on max(3500) and make SC2 sensitivity just like it is comfortable for me, or? Now on SC2 it is only 17, and on windows it's 2/11. Is there any advantage in lowering mouse dpi and increasing windows/SC2 sensitivity? I recently got the exact same mouse and had the same problem
What you wrote doesn't make much sense, though, 2/11 in Windows is 16:1, so you'd effectively get 3500/16=218.75 dpi.
I chose 1800 dpi and 4/11 (2:1), which gives me 900 dpi.
On November 02 2010 14:08 hide.X wrote:
If you want you sc2 sensitivity to be the same as your windows sensitivity..
windows sens x 9.09 = sc2 sens
(...)
It's kind of hard to figure out the exact border lines of the intervals, so I suggest avoiding multiples of 5% (50%, 55%, 60%, 65%, etc.) because the borders will be fractions of these numbers. Set your sensitivity between multiples of 5 (theres no difference between 51%--54%; 71--74; 96--99 [and 100]; etc. There is no 100.0000000000001% or 0.9999999999% so it works out no matter what your screen resolution is).
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- There are only 20 mouse settings in starcraft2 (1--5, 5--10, 10--15, etc.), even though there more than 100 notches on the slider.
- for 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement, set your in-game sensitivity to anything between 51%--54% [with "enhance pointer precision" turned off in windows] -- not 50% as people previously thought (although it sort of is 50%; it's just that you can't see what the decimal point on the number is so it's safer to use 51--54) (that is, 51%, 52%, 53%, and 54% are all exactly the same mouse speed). This information isn't entirely correct. These are the results i got from playing with Mouse Movement Recorder:
0-9% -> 32:1 (same as 1st notch in Windows)
11-14% -> 16:1 (2nd notch)
16-19% -> 8:1
21-24% -> 4:1 (3rd notch)
26-29% -> 8:3
31-34% -> 2:1 (4th notch)
36-39% -> 8:5
41-44% -> 4:3 (5th notch)
46-49% -> 8: 7
51-54% -> 1:1 (6th notch)
56-59% -> 4:5
61-64% -> 2:3 (7th notch)
66-69% -> 4: 7
71-74% -> 1:2 (8th notch)
76-79% -> 4: 9
81-84% -> 2:5 (9th notch)
86-89% -> 4:11
91-94% -> 1:3 (10th notch)
96-99% -> 4:13
100% -> 2: 7 (11th notch)
So, 0-4% and 6-9% is the same, 99% and 100% isn't the same and the Win*9.09 formula is wrong.
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where is Mouse Movement Recorder in the zip file? I can't find it lol.
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thanks for the post and for day9 for pointing it out on his daily!
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Does this stuff apply to those who use SetPoint implementation? I've been using 50% ever since I first booted up SC2 and I haven't noticed a difference between my in-game and non-in-game sensitivity. I know SetPoint has 11 notches as does Windows OS.
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good day, playing with a 3200 DPI mouse, play with 3/11 windows sens and 23% in game sens, is this a problem? it's not like i'm experiencing any problems with it and i never missmicro cause of loss in mouse performance
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lindn, if you feel like your mouse isn't inhibiting your ability to micro at all and you're fine with your mouse sensitivity, then don't change anything. However, for optimal performance it sounds like you should use 6/11 windows sens, 51-54% in-game, and then adjust your mouse's DPI to suit your sensitivity needs. imo if I were you I'd just keep your current settings.
In my situation I feel like my mouse settings could be tweaked a little bit to improve my micromanagement gameplay, so this new discovery is important to find the perfect sensitivity for those who haven't yet.
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Does any of this apply when playing on a mac (with OSX)?, or is there any way to check that it does?
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These findings are great. Thanks for the info guys!
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Ty, I aint understanding it completely, but wil give it a shot and see what te diference is. Cheers.
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To get the same windows sens (6/11) i had to set it to 32% in game after some tests :/ (razer abyssus @ 1800dpi)
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Hmm, i have an microsoft intelli 3.0
What settings should i use? I know that this mouse is 400 dpi..
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On January 04 2011 23:42 snakzz wrote:
Hmm, i have an microsoft intelli 3.0
What settings should i use? I know that this mouse is 400 dpi..
Your either going to have get used to a very slow mouse or get a new one. A razer abyssus is $30-35 and has everything you need to have adjustable mouse sensitivity without screwing up a 1:1 pixel ratio.
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I dont want a new mouse, this have brought me lots of proness :D
But what settings can I use to optimize this one?
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On January 04 2011 23:54 snakzz wrote:I dont want a new mouse, this have brought me lots of proness :D But what settings can I use to optimize this one? Umm... low screen resolution?
With sensitivity > 55% (or >6/11) you're missing pixels on the screen.
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Now, I recognize that people want to have their hardware as optimized as possible (especially if it's as easy as this is, and free too!), but I don't understand why there are so many people that are so adamant about the 1:1 ratio or the 1:2 ratio being bad.
I don't think there are man 1 pixel animations in SC2 that you need to be able to click on, so what's the problem with being once pixel away from the center of that zergling you were trying to click on? If you f you miss the center by 1-5 pixels, you still hi the zergling.
This seems to me like martini sipping, cigar smoking, mouse snobbery. I play at 8/11, 80%, 2800 dpi and I likes it.
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i am running 1650 X 1080 delHospital.
So what setting should i then use with my 400 dpi mouse?
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What does 1:1 ratio even mean?
That the distance I have to move my mouse is equal to the distance the cursor travels? Surely not?
My mousepad is not made of pixels, after all.
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I just wanted to say thank you very much for posting this information as it obviously took time and effort (how much I do not know, seeing as I'm a math retard), very helpful and a good read for anyone serious about optimizing their mouse performance in SC2.
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cool my thread got mentioned on the day9 daily. Sorry if the OP is messy and long winded and mixes true and false information...
I'm going to add this disclaimer to the OP:
When I set out to write this post I thought that it would be fairly straight forward to communicate what I was trying to say, however I was wrong and as a result this thread can be very confusing for non-mathematically minded people.
The general gist of it all is basically sc2 mouse settings that are multiples of 5 are inconsistent, and so you should avoid them. The other thing is that there are not as many different sensitivity settings as you think (there are not 100, as would be implied by a slider that works with percentages). You'll also find a lot of discussion on pixel precision and 1:1 ratios and stuff, and if you're interested you can read on, however I don't give a crap about pixel precision or 1:1 ratios or any of that stuff because as far as I'm concerned all of that is meaningless in the face of having a 'comfortable mouse speed'. However the findings are still relevant to myself, because although I don't care about pixel precision, I do care about having the same mouse speed today and tomorrow and the next day. If you're the sort of person that doesn't keep count of how many sugars they put in their coffee, then that's fine too. then that's fine too.
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Does this take into account DPI?
IE. your 400 DPI mouse a few pixels are pretty huge right? hence these settings being huge.
Im currently using a 3200 DPI mouse on 50% ingame sensitivity. I didn't know until now that you can change sensitivity ingame, i always just used the driver to adjust.
Also my LCD moniter is pretty big too.
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Just buy the Razor SC2 mouse - it is easily the best mouse around.
You can customize everything on this. Hz, sensitivity, hardness of click - everything can be customized.
Diamond 2400.
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I think it's still that SC2 calls standard/default/1:1 sensitivity 50% sensitivity. Obviously it's also stupid to use a 100 scale when there's only 20 settings, but it's just as stupid to use 50% to describe something that's really 100%. Pretty ridiculous
On January 05 2011 06:25 snakzz wrote:
i am running 1650 X 1080 delHospital.
So what setting should i then use with my 400 dpi mouse?
He wasn't asking what resolution you run at, he was telling you to run at a lower resolution. Technically there is no difference between low/normal sensitivity ratio on low resolution and a high sensitivity ratio on high resolution (assuming DPI is kept the same of course), which means his recommendation wouldn't truely help.
Best thing is to still get a new mouse.
One option you have that can help you move the mouse a long distance while still potentially being precise is cursor acceleration. In windows, this is called "enhance pointer precision", which is pretty misleading, but it could sorta offer better precision for a mouse if you had a limited range of motion allowed for the mouse, limited DPI, and required complete screen movement.
"enhance pointer precision" isn't some magic fix though, many people don't like it (there are other topics on this you can read about). Personally I had used it for a long time and never had issues with it, just need to be used to it.
As a last resort if 6/11 sensitivity with "enhance pointer precision" isn't enough sensitivity for you, you could increase the scale. Just realize that accuracy WILL suffer, even if it is minute.
On January 05 2011 06:34 TheBB wrote:
What does 1:1 ratio even mean?
That the distance I have to move my mouse is equal to the distance the cursor travels? Surely not?
My mousepad is not made of pixels, after all. DPI to pixel ratio
A more proper term would be CPI (counts per inch), and in fact to be the most proper, it is describing the counts to pixel ratio.
The term DPI was just used first and it stuck, but it's a dumb term to use for mice (it was originally used in printers and other physical media (scanners) and then jumped to monitors as well as mice.
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Anyone?
I have intelli 3.0 400 dpi mouse.
I am playing at 1650X1080
I use 8/11 in windows, so what should i use ingame in sc2?
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On January 05 2011 20:00 snakzz wrote:
Anyone?
I have intelli 3.0 400 dpi mouse.
I am playing at 1650X1080
I use 8/11 in windows, so what should i use ingame in sc2?
Whatever is comfortable for you.
Read the post RIGHT above yours to read what someone has already posted in response to your question.
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On January 05 2011 06:25 snakzz wrote:
i am running 1650 X 1080 delHospital.
So what setting should i then use with my 400 dpi mouse? Use same res in Win and in SC2, turn mouse acceleration (aka enhanced pointer precision) off, set sensitivity to 8th notch in win and 71% or 10th notch and 91%. (Or just set it to whatever you like, afaik IdrA plays with mouse acceleration and he's still quite good.)
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On January 05 2011 22:28 delHospital wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 06:25 snakzz wrote:
i am running 1650 X 1080 delHospital.
So what setting should i then use with my 400 dpi mouse? Use same res in Win and in SC2, turn mouse acceleration (aka enhanced pointer precision) off, set sensitivity to 8th notch in win and 71% or 10th notch and 91%. (Or just set it to whatever you like, afaik IdrA plays with mouse acceleration and he's still quite good.)
No way Idra plays with mouse acceleration. I can almost guarantee that no pro players play with mouse accel on. Mouse accel is the worst thing ever to use while gaming in general unless you are a quake super pro who plays with a very small amount.
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Yes wai:
On December 05 2010 14:29 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 17:25 Faraday wrote:On November 30 2010 23:57 IdrA wrote:On November 30 2010 03:29 hyperioNsin wrote:Lol IdrA uses Logitech USB mini mouse and DT35 keyboard classic korean setup. He has kinzu on EG page cos steelseries is his sponsor but in reality he uses logitech mouse. Same goes for many other players theyr setup on clanpage is usually different from actual setup they use. Boxer goes with exactly same setup as idra expect for mouspad EGpad vs KeSPA pad Foxer same as well btw not true, i use a kinzu and 6gv2 keyboard and the eg qck+ pad HA! I knew I was right(print screens don't lie )...But if you have time to answer this: why didn't you choose the XAI? i have little girly hands, kinzu fits a lot better
http://faq.steelseries.com/questions/194/Does the Kinzu have mouse acceleration?
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On November 02 2010 15:15 Liquid`HuK wrote:
wow this thread is very interesting but very confusing for my tiny mouse like brain so apologies ahead of time. I always have problems at lan and always just wing my mouse sensitivity because sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't; and it seems to vary per computers.
What your saying is my in-game sensitivity should NOT be x5 ?
or
is it my computer mouse sensitivity shouldn't be x5?
or mystery option 3?
edit: my settings of right now -
computer control panel: 7/11
in game: 67%
and my mouse is an basic logitech optical mouse
I've been wondering this for a while now, is there a file in the SC2 folder where all of the gameplay settings are saved? I would love to be able to keep my exact settings forever... But I feel like I always forget some little aspect when working with a different computer. I figure moving this file, if it exists, would be a lot easier.
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I'm going to throw this out there, both for the sake clarifying it for myself and because it looks (to me) as though most people here have missed the point of the OP. Most of the discussion here has been about the different points at which your cursor skips pixels, and which setting is ideal. I think the point of the OP was that selecting specific mouse settings (multiples of 5) will yield inconsistent results. The inconsistency is due to the inability of a player to know the exact speed setting of his/her mouse, not from skipping individual pixels.
If I'm understanding it properly, this wont matter to anyone who always plays on the same computer, never (and I mean never) adjusts the mouse settings within SC2, and is happy with their current settings. But if you have your main computer set to 50% sensitivity in game, and move to an alternate computer, friend's house, or LAN event, you have no way of knowing if 50% there will be the same as 50% at home. That is, there is a discrepancy between the displayed mouse setting in game and the actual setting. If the slider says 50%, it might be set to 50%, or it might be set to 49.1%. Both are displayed the same way (50%), but the actual setting is different (49.1% rounds down to 45%, and 50% is actually 50%). This doesn't affect numbers other than multiples of 5 because 46%, 47.3%, and 48.238348% all round down to 45% (as there are only 20 actual settings, and 100/20=5). The slider display is equally imprecise for all numbers, but it's irrelevant unless you're on that border around multiples of 5.
The OP gives special attention to 50% because it provides that magic 1:1 ratio, where your mouse will never skip a pixel (which is important to some people), but the thrust of his argument applies to all multiples of 5.
I hope this clears up any confusion for non-math-minded people (like me). If I've somehow missed the boat on this, please let me know.
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On January 06 2011 03:14 Omnipresent wrote:I'm going to throw this out there, both for the sake clarifying it for myself and because it looks (to me) as though most people here have missed the point of the OP.
After reading through it myself, I see the same as you do. I don't personally need to worry about it if I have a comfortable mouse speed and am always on the same computer. The time when it would come into play is if I was very sensitive to having a particular mouse speed, and I changed computers. Then I might have a different setting, even though it looks to me like the slider is on 50% in both cases. Luckily, I'm not nearly good enough for it to matter.
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OP: Since it seems you have researched this, do you (or anybody) know if starcraft in Windows uses DirectInput for cursor control in Windows? (As opposed to calls to GetCursorPos())
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Is it possible to use lower settings an achieve 1:1?
I have 1920/1200 resolution on my main monitor (for SC2)
razer abyssus
windows 7 x64
sc2 in-game 34%
windows 6/11
Do I get 1:1? Is it possible to get my windows to match sc2 in-game speed and maintain 1:1? Do I need to set it to 4/11?
Also, what about the razer program settings itself? What should they be? And there is a razer sc2 driver.. what is this for?
Thanks for any help.
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On January 17 2011 14:51 mlbrandow wrote:
Is it possible to use lower settings an achieve 1:1?
I have 1920/1200 resolution on my main monitor (for SC2)
razer abyssus
windows 7 x64
sc2 in-game 34%
windows 6/11
Do I get 1:1? Is it possible to get my windows to match sc2 in-game speed and maintain 1:1? Do I need to set it to 4/11?
Also, what about the razer program settings itself? What should they be? And there is a razer sc2 driver.. what is this for?
Thanks for any help.
6/11 in windows is equal to 51-54% in SC2. If you change your windows settings it still does not affect your SC2 settings. Ideally to get 1:1 you want to keep the sc2 sensitivity between 51 to 54% and adjust your mouse settings. You then want to adjust your sensitivity of your mouse to how you want it. You also did not state your current DPI that you use, so I would play with that after also to get it to how you prefer. I am also assuming you disabled mouse acceleration in windows and your razer menu.
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i have tested it with mousemovement recorder i have no red / green lines anywhere
in windows i have also no green red lines because i have excatly 1 to 1
i have 1800 dpi 6/11 windows and Markc mouse fix to get excatly 1 to 1 pixel precise on 50 % starcraft 2 but also on 51 52 53 54 % doesn't matter but maybe you have it topic starter because you not have that fix this nice topic i comeback soon to read the reply :D
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So does this mean that with a higher screen resolution, you can set your mouse more precisely?
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Can anyone explain what 1:1 means?
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this article makes basicly no sense at all. i think you should go back to college and take some maths class?
6/11 means there are 1 2 3 4 5 before 6 and 7 8 9 10 11 after, which means its the "median" of this scale, thus not speeding up and not slowing down, it has nothing to do with it being the rational fraction 6 on 11 AT ALL.
same applies for a scale from 0 to 100 obviously, the median is 50.
w o w
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On January 28 2011 20:25 Alpina wrote:
Can anyone explain what 1:1 means?
1:1 would be that when you move the mouse 1 bit, (the smallest amount it would detect) it would exactly move one pixel on the screen.
For the OP and other people that don't understand why to have a 1:1 ratio is better:
This is for the highest precision. You set the mouse to a 1:1 ratio so it wont skip any pixels when moved, and then you change the DPI to change that smallest amount of movement it would detect, so it would take less movement to move the mouse a pixel over the screen. If you do it the other way around, you are basically keeping this amount of distance you need to move the mouse for a movement on screen the same, however this time the mouse move 2 pixels instead of one, so it has the same speed, yet the precision is 50% less.
It's basically like this, if you move the mouse 2 inch, with 800 dpi and 1:1 ratio it would move 1600 pixels. If you have your mouse on 400 dpi and set the starcraft 2 or windows slider as high to achieve the same mouse speed as in the first example, you move your mouse 2 inch, and also move 1600 pixels. However in this scenario the mouse would do this in 800 steps of 2 pixels, rather than 1600 steps of 1 pixel. I think you can think for yourself which of the 2 is the best way to set mouse speed.
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On January 28 2011 20:32 Toxi78 wrote:
this article makes basicly no sense at all. i think you should go back to college and take some maths class?
6/11 means there are 1 2 3 4 5 before 6 and 7 8 9 10 11 after, which means its the "median" of this scale, thus not speeding up and not slowing down, it has nothing to do with it being the rational fraction 6 on 11 AT ALL.
same applies for a scale from 0 to 100 obviously, the median is 50.
w o w
I was thinking the same, but if the program the OP used really turns out results showing that 50% would sometimes skip pixels, apparently it works different...
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On January 28 2011 20:41 Lythox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 20:32 Toxi78 wrote:
this article makes basicly no sense at all. i think you should go back to college and take some maths class?
6/11 means there are 1 2 3 4 5 before 6 and 7 8 9 10 11 after, which means its the "median" of this scale, thus not speeding up and not slowing down, it has nothing to do with it being the rational fraction 6 on 11 AT ALL.
same applies for a scale from 0 to 100 obviously, the median is 50.
w o w I was thinking the same, but if the program the OP used really turns out results showing that 50% would sometimes skip pixels, apparently it works different...
yes and the guys at blizzard obviously had to wait for albert "hide.X" einstein to come and tell them "hey guys, 6/11 is not 1/2!!!!!!!!im so smart!!!"
wow......
how to explain u....in a more simple way....if i made a scale that goes from 2 to 4, obviously the median one is 3, but it has nothing to do with "3/4" not being "1/2"...you understand? here its the same, it goes from 1 to 11...and not 0 to 11.............
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This is kinda weird, I have a Razer Deathadder.
I have 6 on mousespeed in controlpanel. And 51% in SC2. But then theres also the software for the mouse that has its own sensitivity thats on 9½ out of 10. And if I take that to 6 its like having 30000kg on the mouse cause it just wont move.
Really dont get this stuff, ;/
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great post.
now i know why i couldnt tell the difference between each individual %,
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why do you have to disable "enhance pointer precision"?
Does it have any affect in game? And what does it do out of game?
I also have a razer deathadder and i just keep the sensitivity at 10 with 1800dps.
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With enhanced pointer precision (aka mouse acceleration), sensitivity depends on the speed with which you move your mouse. So, if you move your mouse 5 cm to the right, it could move 500 px if you moved your mouse slowly or 1000 px if you moved it fast (these numbers are random, but the point is that faster movement = more px/cm). SC2 has its own setting, so it's not affected by the Windows one. And, generally, acceleration is considered an evil thing, so it's best to have it disabled.
On January 28 2011 20:57 Toxi78 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 20:41 Lythox wrote:On January 28 2011 20:32 Toxi78 wrote:
this article makes basicly no sense at all. i think you should go back to college and take some maths class?
6/11 means there are 1 2 3 4 5 before 6 and 7 8 9 10 11 after, which means its the "median" of this scale, thus not speeding up and not slowing down, it has nothing to do with it being the rational fraction 6 on 11 AT ALL.
same applies for a scale from 0 to 100 obviously, the median is 50.
w o w I was thinking the same, but if the program the OP used really turns out results showing that 50% would sometimes skip pixels, apparently it works different... yes and the guys at blizzard obviously had to wait for albert "hide.X" einstein to come and tell them "hey guys, 6/11 is not 1/2!!!!!!!!im so smart!!!" wow...... how to explain u....in a more simple way....if i made a scale that goes from 2 to 4, obviously the median one is 3, but it has nothing to do with "3/4" not being "1/2"...you understand? here its the same, it goes from 1 to 11...and not 0 to 11............. If this is all they teach you on college courses, I'm genuinely impressed.
But, back on topic: what exactly are you trying to say with your garbage posts?
EDIT: @Toxi78: either you can't understand the OP or you're trolling and I won't feed you (anymore).
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On January 28 2011 21:52 delHospital wrote:With enhanced pointer precision (aka mouse acceleration), sensitivity depends on the speed with which you move your mouse. So, if you move your mouse 5 cm to the right, it could move 500 px if you moved your mouse slowly or 1000 px if you moved it fast (these numbers are random, but the point is that faster movement = more px/cm). SC2 has its own setting, so it's not affected by the Windows one. And, generally, acceleration is considered an evil thing, so it's best to have it disabled. Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 20:57 Toxi78 wrote:On January 28 2011 20:41 Lythox wrote:On January 28 2011 20:32 Toxi78 wrote:
this article makes basicly no sense at all. i think you should go back to college and take some maths class?
6/11 means there are 1 2 3 4 5 before 6 and 7 8 9 10 11 after, which means its the "median" of this scale, thus not speeding up and not slowing down, it has nothing to do with it being the rational fraction 6 on 11 AT ALL.
same applies for a scale from 0 to 100 obviously, the median is 50.
w o w I was thinking the same, but if the program the OP used really turns out results showing that 50% would sometimes skip pixels, apparently it works different... yes and the guys at blizzard obviously had to wait for albert "hide.X" einstein to come and tell them "hey guys, 6/11 is not 1/2!!!!!!!!im so smart!!!" wow...... how to explain u....in a more simple way....if i made a scale that goes from 2 to 4, obviously the median one is 3, but it has nothing to do with "3/4" not being "1/2"...you understand? here its the same, it goes from 1 to 11...and not 0 to 11............. If this is all they teach you on college courses, I'm genuinely impressed. But, back on topic: what exactly are you trying to say with your garbage posts?
read the op, read my posts and shut it.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 28 2011 21:29 rexyrex wrote:
why do you have to disable "enhance pointer precision"?
Does it have any affect in game? And what does it do out of game?
I also have a razer deathadder and i just keep the sensitivity at 10 with 1800dps.
If you play PC games you absolutely need this turned off. It may feel awkward at first but it is essentially just mouse acceleration - it sacrifices accuracy to help grandpa get his mouse accross the desktop, as I've heard it described.
The OP claims it doesn't take effect in SC2 anyways which is good but turning it off can't hurt even if you don't play any other games - what you want out of your mouse is first and formost consistency and secondly a comfortable speed depending on how much wrist/arm motion you are comfortable with.
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On January 05 2011 22:39 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 15:15 Liquid`HuK wrote:
wow this thread is very interesting but very confusing for my tiny mouse like brain so apologies ahead of time. I always have problems at lan and always just wing my mouse sensitivity because sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't; and it seems to vary per computers.
What your saying is my in-game sensitivity should NOT be x5 ?
or
is it my computer mouse sensitivity shouldn't be x5?
or mystery option 3?
edit: my settings of right now -
computer control panel: 7/11
in game: 67%
and my mouse is an basic logitech optical mouse I've been wondering this for a while now, is there a file in the SC2 folder where all of the gameplay settings are saved? I would love to be able to keep my exact settings forever... But I feel like I always forget some little aspect when working with a different computer. I figure moving this file, if it exists, would be a lot easier.
"C:\Users\(YourUserName)\Documents\StarCraft II\Variables.txt"
"mousesensitivity" is the particular variable you want to change (from 0.0 to 1.0)
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I use a razer abyssus at 1800dpi (max 3500dpi) and I feel like the 1:1 ratio on here is just too sensitive.
I've been trying to figure out a way to lower it without getting a loss in pixel precision.
I'm torn between losing this and losing physical accuracy, which I think probably trumps the former.
Is there a lower setting I can use than 53% at 1800dpi that will preserve pixel precision to some static degree?
Also, if I'm going to lose precision anyway, would it be best to just opt for 3500dpi setting, and then lower sensitivity to what is comfortable?
edit: i just changed from 1800 - 6/11 - 53% to 3500 - 4/11 - 38% and it feels a bit more comfortable. How much am I losing here?
If my maths are correct, 4/11 = 50% of 6/11, so .5*3500 = 1750 effective dpi, and 4*9.09 = 36% ~= 38%
So it's slightly lower but the pixel precision loss is static, right?
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On January 31 2011 10:05 mlbrandow wrote:
I use a razer abyssus at 1800dpi (max 3500dpi) and I feel like the 1:1 ratio on here is just too sensitive.
I've been trying to figure out a way to lower it without getting a loss in pixel precision.
I'm torn between losing this and losing physical accuracy, which I think probably trumps the former.
Is there a lower setting I can use than 53% at 1800dpi that will preserve pixel precision to some static degree?
Also, if I'm going to lose precision anyway, would it be best to just opt for 3500dpi setting, and then lower sensitivity to what is comfortable?
edit: i just changed from 1800 - 6/11 - 53% to 3500 - 4/11 - 38% and it feels a bit more comfortable. How much am I losing here?
If my maths are correct, 4/11 = 50% of 6/11, so .5*3500 = 1750 effective dpi, and 4*9.09 = 36% ~= 38%
So it's slightly lower but the pixel precision loss is static, right?
Since you can't move the mouse only half a pixel, the best way to lower the movement speed while keeping the same exact 1:1 pixel precision, is by lowering your dpi. This means you have to move the mouse a little further to move that same pixel. It can't be more precise than that, with the same sensitivity.
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On January 31 2011 11:07 Lythox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 10:05 mlbrandow wrote:
I use a razer abyssus at 1800dpi (max 3500dpi) and I feel like the 1:1 ratio on here is just too sensitive.
I've been trying to figure out a way to lower it without getting a loss in pixel precision.
I'm torn between losing this and losing physical accuracy, which I think probably trumps the former.
Is there a lower setting I can use than 53% at 1800dpi that will preserve pixel precision to some static degree?
Also, if I'm going to lose precision anyway, would it be best to just opt for 3500dpi setting, and then lower sensitivity to what is comfortable?
edit: i just changed from 1800 - 6/11 - 53% to 3500 - 4/11 - 38% and it feels a bit more comfortable. How much am I losing here?
If my maths are correct, 4/11 = 50% of 6/11, so .5*3500 = 1750 effective dpi, and 4*9.09 = 36% ~= 38%
So it's slightly lower but the pixel precision loss is static, right? Since you can't move the mouse only half a pixel, the best way to lower the movement speed while keeping the same exact 1:1 pixel precision, is by lowering your dpi. This means you have to move the mouse a little further to move that same pixel. It can't be more precise than that, with the same sensitivity.
Upon re-reading, it looks like I worded my post poorly.
I understand that DPI change is the only way to maintain 1:1 pixel precision (6/11, 53%). That said, I would feel more comfortable, given my setup, if I could play on something closer to 1600-1700 DPI.
The only way I can think to achieve this is to get a slight pixel loss, and then hopefully it will become static.
No unit in sc2 is 1 pixel by 1 pixel, and if the sensitivity isn't comfortable for me, then the 1:1 precision is more than mitigated by my lack of physical accuracy.
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On January 31 2011 17:34 michaelhasanalias wrote:
[...] No unit in sc2 is 1 pixel by 1 pixel [...]
No complaints here. Non the less you can still miss a unit by a pixel, even if that unit is 10x10 pixels in size.
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On January 16 2011 06:31 Globkin wrote:
OP: Since it seems you have researched this, do you (or anybody) know if starcraft in Windows uses DirectInput for cursor control in Windows? (As opposed to calls to GetCursorPos())
Starcraft 2 uses wminput(wm_mousemove to read the mouse).
On November 02 2010 14:08 hide.X wrote:
When set to 50% there were sometimes lost pixels and other times there weren't. (green means pixels mean lost pixels--movement that was picked up by the sensor but not performed with the cursor--this happens when you go below 1:1 ratio of mouse:cursor movement, a.k.a "6/11")
- for 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to cursor movement, set your in-game sensitivity to anything between 51%--54% [with "enhance pointer precision" turned off in windows] -- not 50% as people previously thought (although it sort of is 50%; it's just that you can't see what the decimal point on the number is so it's safer to use 51--54) (that is, 51%, 52%, 53%, and 54% are all exactly the same mouse speed).
I get 1:1 with 50% (inteli 1.1@250hz filtered with hidusbf) Screenshot. Seems strange that you get negative accel with 50%; maybe your mousehz is unstable?
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Depends on your luck with the slider:![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/eEq1R.png)
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Well dont use the slider then. I put my mousesensitivity=0.520000 at my variables.txt
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On February 03 2011 03:48 delHospital wrote:Depends on your luck with the slider:
Why is your mousesensitivity 0.497717!? Set it to 0.5. You will have no positive or negative accel if your mouse is working correctly. Also you are using the old version of MMR get the latest here
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I responded to thisOn February 03 2011 03:32 Srdjan2311 wrote:I get 1:1 with 50% (inteli 1.1@250hz filtered with hidusbf) Screenshot. Seems strange that you get negative accel with 50%; maybe your mousehz is unstable? What I was trying to say was that if you set it to 50% using the slider, you could get 0,5xxx or 0,49xxx, it isn't because of "unstable mousehz" or w/e.
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Yes i understand what you were trying to say. I just tried to emulate your 0.497etc via the in-game slider and i can't do it . When i set it to 50% its always 0.500000 in the .ini for me.
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wow intresting info thanks if i test with mouse recorder i get sometimes red and green on 51%
but on 52% i have all black so i think for me 52% is better
btw gaves mouse dpi a precision or its only a gimmick and not precision?
not gimmick but i mean set the valua what you like if the windows slider is on 6/11
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How does enhanced pointer precision turned off or on affect you in game? I notice he suggests it remain off, anyone know why ?
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The answer is already on this page of the thread. Or try google.
Edit: damn, now it's the previous page
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I play at 100 percent speed, it's the best challenge
If you can master playing at that speed, you'll feel the powah XD
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Okay so I read through this thread and it has a lot of great info and I'll summarize it for the player who doesn't want to worry about math but just wants a precise mouse.
Basically the OP is saying that the % displayed in-game is a rounded percentage to the nearest whole number. 50% could be actually lower, or higher than 50%.
Just after some personal testing, anything below 50% will result in lost pixels. So you need to make sure that the 50% displayed is at or above 50%.
The easiest way to make sure that your setting is above 50% is to take the slider to 51%, then slowly bring it back to 50%. As soon as the display hits 50%, stop and you'll have perfect 1:1 (6/11 windows, enhanced precision turned off).
Through my testing, if i took the slider to 49% first then slid it up to 50%, it would result in lost pixels. If I took the slider to 51%, then slid it back to 50%, it resulted in no lost pixels.
Interesting find. When I went to check out my settings, it was actually at 49%, and resulted in a lot of lost pixels.
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On February 28 2011 04:05 Razith wrote:
Okay so I read through this thread and it has a lot of great info and I'll summarize it for the player who doesn't want to worry about math but just wants a precise mouse. If I were to summarize the info, I'd say: set sensitivity to 31%, 51% or 71%.
If you don't like any of these, set it to whatever suits you best, just avoid multiples of 5.
Basically the OP is saying that the % displayed in-game is a rounded percentage to the nearest whole number. 50% could be actually lower, or higher than 50%. Correct.
Just after some personal testing, anything below 50% will result in lost pixels. So you need to make sure that the 50% displayed is at or above 50%. The first sentence is true, but "lost pixels" are not necessarily a bad thing. If you skip every second pixel, you're effectively cutting the dpi in half. Nothing bad happening here.
The easiest way to make sure that your setting is above 50% is to take the slider to 51%, then slowly bring it back to 50%. As soon as the display hits 50%, stop and you'll have perfect 1:1 (6/11 windows, enhanced precision turned off). The easiest way is to simply set it to 51%. No need to fiddle with the slider that much.
On February 28 2011 02:19 marconi wrote:
I play at 100 percent speed, it's the best challenge
If you can master playing at that speed, you'll feel the powah XD At 100% with a fast mouse, even selecting an ultralisk could pose a challenge
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I have a question: I hope you all know it's possible to set your sensitivity in the variables.txt document to a perfect 50.000. Is it still a problem if you do that?
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You mean .5? It's the default, so it should be 1:1.
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On February 28 2011 07:25 delHospital wrote:
You mean .5? It's the default, so it should be 1:1.
then I dont understand what the point of this thread is
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This seems like something that only really matters to the people in grandmaster's.
While interesting info, obsessing over things like this when your macro is what's losing you games, seems a bit contradictory. How many games are truly lost to 4-5 pixel "misclicks"
I play @ 4300dpi and 81%. It's just what feels best for me.
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On March 01 2011 11:23 Honeybadger wrote:
This seems like something that only really matters to the people in grandmaster's.
While interesting info, obsessing over things like this when your macro is what's losing you games, seems a bit contradictory. How many games are truly lost to 4-5 pixel "misclicks"
I play @ 4300dpi and 81%. It's just what feels best for me.
Setting up your mouse sensitivity in a correct way should matter for everyone. And you don't have to obsess about it. Just once invest the time in a good setup - and then forget about it.
Concerning your mouse sensitivity: Don't you have problems, selecting single and small units?
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Is there anyway to find out what progamers sensitivity is? I tried using 800DPI and 54 in sc2 but its too slow and if I increase my dpi to 1800 and put 51 in sc2 its too fast.
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On March 17 2011 02:35 Goodseed wrote:
Is there anyway to find out what progamers sensitivity is? I tried using 800DPI and 54 in sc2 but its too slow and if I increase my dpi to 1800 and put 51 in sc2 its too fast.
There are progamers with high sensitivity (Day9 back when he was gaming) and some with low (IdrA) and others with medium. If your mouse doesn't support anything in between 800 and 1800 and neither works for you, well, you might want to invest in a new mouse.
Like everything else, it's up to preference.
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Oh no, oh no, oh no~!
I read a topic like this awhile back and set my Mouse Settings to what I thought was 6/11 because I thought 6 was 1 more notch than the middle...., but turned out it was 7/11!!! I trained for countless hours with this setting and 7/11 is what my muscle memory is used to. I use a G500 and have the DPI set to the middle setting (whatever that is). I have always noticed that when I barely move my mouse, it goes 1 pixel, 2 pixel, 1 pixel, 2 pixel. I thought that was normal. But now I switched it to the correct 6/11 (exactly in the middle -- my math sucks). Now yes, my mouse feels a lot smoother, but I have to move my mouse 1-7/8 inches to move from left to right side of the screen, whereas before I had to move it only 1-3/8, that's about a half-inch difference, nearly 25% adjustment! 25% is a LOT for muscle memory.
I want to train my mouse muscle memory properly, so it looks like I'll have to readjust my control panel settings to 6/11. What do you all suggest I do? And how does DPI work? I always assumed DPI did the exact same thing as Windows Control Panel... I assumed it skipped pixels. But testing my mouse on 6/11, I see that my highest DPI setting (there are 3 DPI options on the mouse) still maintains 1:1 pixel ratio, however it seems to move faster in general ... I'm assuming DPI = physical mouse sensitivity, ie being more sensitive to smaller movements?
So if I were to form all of that into a question it would be this: Should I go through the effort retraining my mouse to 6/11 -- if so, should I stick to the mid or high DPI? (For reference, at 6/11, the middle setting is slower than I'm used to, and the high DPI setting is faster than I'm used to, but they both are 1:1). I'm thinking I might retrain at highest DPI on 6/11...which looks to be a 0.75 inch scroll from left to right side of the screen... Anyone else have the G500 and know what I'm talking about??
EDIT/UPDATE!!!!
I fixed this problem by installing software that came with my mouse -- "SetPoint". I switched to Windows 6/11 pointer speed for 1:1 ratio, and then manually set my DPI until it was as close as it could be to what my muscles are already used to -- turns out it is 6/11 @1100 dpi. Before, it was 7/11 @800dpi. Now I get near identical precision, but without sacrificing pixels! Excellent! I am about 50 dpi off of identical precision, but it is a lot better than a 25% difference 
God, I love my G500.
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cool thread.
I use a MX518 and I have no drivers for the mouse but it utilizes DPI changing on the fly with two buttons on the mouse. I use the highest DPI setting which is 1 above middle, and 2 above lowest settings. I've found that 4/11 with the highest DPI setting that I use, is pretty much exactly equal to the mid DPI setting with 6/11. I'm not sure but I'm guessing that the lowest DPI setting with 8/11 or 9/11 may also be the same.
I hope this helps anyone if they use a MX518 or 510.
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I remember this thread. It changed my life.
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Anyone know where I can find my lost pixels? I'm worried about them out there all alone. o_O
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On April 12 2011 21:25 Clawlock wrote:
Anyone know where I can find my lost pixels? I'm worried about them out there all alone. o_O
They're gone, man.
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Mh, is it possible that Blizzard has changed the default value?
I had to reinstall StarCraft2 (because of a new PC) and after the installation I wanted to change the sensitivity again (I knew this thread before and so I wanted to set the sensitivity again between 51% and 54%).
Well, the default value was now 51% when I entered the menue for the first time and not 50% like it was set to on my old pc by default.
Did someone else recognized this, too?
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Does 51-54 Set it to 6/11 (EQUIVALENT SPEED as windows 6/11) or does it simply retain the 1:1 properties of 6/11?
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On April 06 2011 17:57 emc wrote:
cool thread.
I use a MX518 and I have no drivers for the mouse but it utilizes DPI changing on the fly with two buttons on the mouse. I use the highest DPI setting which is 1 above middle, and 2 above lowest settings. I've found that 4/11 with the highest DPI setting that I use, is pretty much exactly equal to the mid DPI setting with 6/11. I'm not sure but I'm guessing that the lowest DPI setting with 8/11 or 9/11 may also be the same.
I hope this helps anyone if they use a MX518 or 510.
You don't want to be using anything above 6/11, as there is no way to guarantee no lost pixels
I personally like my mx518 at 800dpi 6/11
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Hi! Awesome poset, it really cleared out some stuff.
Although, im a bit confused by one thing. I use 11/11 as my windows sensitivity, because having a fast mouse sensitivity and being able to control is the best for RTS in my head.
"8/11 is not as bad as 7/11 or 9/11, and definitely 11/11", i would like to know, why it is, that u think those exact numbers/notches are "bad". Thanks!
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On April 17 2011 20:38 Krasso wrote:
"8/11 is not as bad as 7/11 or 9/11, and definitely 11/11", i would like to know, why it is, that u think those exact numbers/notches are "bad". Thanks!
8/11 interprets one unit of mouse movement into 2 pixels of screen movement. It consistently skips one pixel. 7/11 is a 1.5x multiplier, and 9/11 is a 2.5x multiplier. However, you can't move half a pixel on the screen so sometimes 7/11 will move 1 pixel and sometimes 2. It's inconsistent. 11/11 is a 3.5x multiplier, which is also inconsistent and skips huge numbers of pixels. You're much better off buying a mouse with 3.5x your current mouse's DPI and playing at 6/11 for accuracy's sake.
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Im playing with 11/11 and lowest DPI settings (1/3). (i dont know much, if anything about mice)
So you're saying im much better off by playing with 6/11 (or 8/11 if i want it faster) and then my highest DPI setting?
..and im guessing 10/11 is just a 3x multiplier?
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I'm glad this thread exists but I was wondering one thing. If I have my deathadder on 6/11 windows and highest DPI do I lose accuracy when I change the sensitivity on the razer driver? I did some trials in paint painting lines and it seems like it's still a 1:1 tracking, anyone know for certain what happens there?
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On April 17 2011 21:19 Krasso wrote:
Im playing with 11/11 and lowest DPI settings (1/3). (i dont know much, if anything about mice)
So you're saying im much better off by playing with 6/11 (or 8/11 if i want it faster) and then my highest DPI setting?
..and im guessing 10/11 is just a 3x multiplier?
Yes and yes.
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Does 51-54 Set it to 6/11 (EQUIVALENT SPEED as windows 6/11) or does it simply retain the 1:1 properties of 6/11?
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On April 17 2011 21:22 storm8ring3r wrote:
I'm glad this thread exists but I was wondering one thing. If I have my deathadder on 6/11 windows and highest DPI do I lose accuracy when I change the sensitivity on the razer driver? I did some trials in paint painting lines and it seems like it's still a 1:1 tracking, anyone know for certain what happens there?
Which way do you change it? If you want to change your sensitivity down it might be advisible to do this via the DPI. Lowering the DPI to suit your sensitivity is generally the best. If you want a higher sens you are already capped on DPI so you'd have to do this with the software settings anyway.
And then we aren't even taking into account that DPI should actually be pretty low because if your more mouse is more precise, every little bump will get noticed and make your cursor really jiggely and thus inaccurate, you want stability so lower DPI is generally the most desired.
But you could make an argument for personal preference, if you are already comfortable and don't want to swap or don't like it when you swap etc.
On April 19 2011 16:42 alewares wrote:
Does 51-54 Set it to 6/11 (EQUIVALENT SPEED as windows 6/11) or does it simply retain the 1:1 properties of 6/11?
I believe it retains the 1:1 properties, where it doesn't modify the input again by accounting for the scaling of the sensitivity.
I think the speed, as in the feeling is gonna depend on the resolution. If your desktop is in 1920x1200 but you game in 1200x800 then I feel like the speed is gonna differ but if the resolutions are the same, I see no reason not to conclude the speed will be the same, apart from needing to actually try it out to be sure.
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What if I have windows at 6/11, sc2 at 51%, logitech setpoint 4/11 with 1600 dpi? Is my setup alright with a 1:1 ratio?
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I read this thread a while ago and after that I always had the sens at like 81%. But then I remembered this last part, about the 1:1 pixel ratio. I knew my mouse would go 1 step higher in DPI, but I never really bothered about it, so I lowered windows sens to 6/11 and raised the DPI. Man what a difference! Everything is so smooth! I have never been fully comfortable with my mouse sens and I could never find the right sens in both SC2 and Quakelive. Now I'm in full control, gibbing everything~
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I am getting no missed pixels in Windows but in Starcraft II I am getting lots of missed pixels using the mouse recording tool.
Any ideas?
Logitech G5 (no weights), SetPoint 5.10.9
6/11
No accel
SCII Sensitivity 54%, windowed mode full screen
Logitech drivers, 2000 dpi, 1000Mhz CPU polling rate
1900x1200
I wish SC2 wouldn't override windows and I wouldn't have this problem...
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On May 07 2011 22:19 noproblem wrote:
I am getting no missed pixels in Windows but in Starcraft II I am getting lots of missed pixels using the mouse recording tool.
Any ideas?
Logitech G5 (no weights), SetPoint 5.10.9
6/11
No accel
SCII Sensitivity 54%, windowed mode full screen
Logitech drivers, 2000 dpi, 1000Mhz CPU polling rate
1900x1200
I wish SC2 wouldn't override windows and I wouldn't have this problem...
everybody should be getting red pixels. after the last patch the settings at (51-54percent) are no longer being saved in the variable file. hence you have change it to 51-54percent every single time before you open sc2.
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If I undrestood this correctly.
For the most precision you should have a 1:1 relationship between your windows sensitivity and your starcraft sensitivity. The thread doesnt say set your windows sensitivity to 6/11 and the starcraft one to 51-54% .
What it does say however is that whatever sensitivity you have for windows you should multiply it by 9.090909090...
So if you have 7/11 in windows that is 7 * 9.0909090 = 63.63 and so you should set your Starcraft sensitivity anyways from 61 to 64 because they are essentially the same thing.
OKay, bye.
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Well, so by fiddling around with the mouse motion recorder, with 94% sc2 sens it gives a 1:3 ratio.
So like the mouse movement is 2x-1 but pointer movement is 6x -3. So this just means instead of moving 1 pixel it moves 3, right? Is the only drawback to this just how it skips a few pixels? The ratio is constant so the motion would be constant, and on my 2550 pixel wide screen is that really very noticeable compared to a true 1:1? Or are the 2 drastically different and i dont understand?
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On May 07 2011 22:28 Gunman_csz wrote:
everybody should be getting red pixels. after the last patch the settings at (51-54percent) are no longer being saved in the variable file. hence you have change it to 51-54percent every single time before you open sc2.
Can you please elaborate?
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On May 08 2011 03:23 Beardfish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:28 Gunman_csz wrote:
everybody should be getting red pixels. after the last patch the settings at (51-54percent) are no longer being saved in the variable file. hence you have change it to 51-54percent every single time before you open sc2. Can you please elaborate?
Well before you set the sensitivity at 51,52,53, or 54 percent in either the variable file or through the menu to get the true 50:50, but now it doesn't work because even if you have them set to those specific numbers the sc2 client just rounds them up to decimal after every restart. for-example 51 will turn into 51.3334, which is not what you want !
The only solution is to manually enter 51-54 in the variable before opening sc2 client, because once you close the client the settings get rounded to decimals.
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On May 08 2011 07:13 Gunman_csz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 03:23 Beardfish wrote:On May 07 2011 22:28 Gunman_csz wrote:
everybody should be getting red pixels. after the last patch the settings at (51-54percent) are no longer being saved in the variable file. hence you have change it to 51-54percent every single time before you open sc2. Can you please elaborate? Well before you set the sensitivity at 51,52,53, or 54 percent in either the variable file or through the menu to get the true 50:50, but now it doesn't work because even if you have them set to those specific numbers the sc2 client just rounds them up to decimal after every restart. for-example 51 will turn into 51.3334, which is not what you want ! The only solution is to manually enter 51-54 in the variable before opening sc2 client, because once you close the client the settings get rounded to decimals.
Interesting. What is the file called and the variable name?
Edit: Nevermind found it! Thanks for the help man.
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Okay I have tested it out trying out 51~54% and I am still getting red in SC2 despite pre-altering the mousesensitivity variable in the Settings.txt file, but no green. Any more ideas?
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On May 08 2011 23:01 noproblem wrote:
Okay I have tested it out trying out 51~54% and I am still getting red in SC2 despite pre-altering the mousesensitivity variable in the Settings.txt file, but no green. Any more ideas?
Well then it has to do with your mouse settings or windows settings.
Make sure you uncheck "enhanced pointer precision" in control panel.
Make sure anything labeled "acceleration" is disabled in you mouse program.
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On May 09 2011 00:57 Gunman_csz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 23:01 noproblem wrote:
Okay I have tested it out trying out 51~54% and I am still getting red in SC2 despite pre-altering the mousesensitivity variable in the Settings.txt file, but no green. Any more ideas? Well then it has to do with your mouse settings or windows settings. Make sure you uncheck "enhanced pointer precision" in control panel. Make sure anything labeled "acceleration" is disabled in you mouse program.
Sigh...
Nope it isn't this as I have previously mentioned in my posts above I have I don't have any accel and I am getting no missed pixels at all in Windows, so it isn't my mouse settings or Windows settings..
Anything else?
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Your not gonna suck or get better because you miss a few pixels when u move your mouse. just go with what feels right to you, just like many top tier players do.
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I play with 6/11, 400dpi Logitech MX518, and sensitivity 67%. I could set it down to 54% and use high scroll speed but I prefer 67%. It works for me.
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On May 08 2011 07:13 Gunman_csz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 03:23 Beardfish wrote:On May 07 2011 22:28 Gunman_csz wrote:
everybody should be getting red pixels. after the last patch the settings at (51-54percent) are no longer being saved in the variable file. hence you have change it to 51-54percent every single time before you open sc2. Can you please elaborate? Well before you set the sensitivity at 51,52,53, or 54 percent in either the variable file or through the menu to get the true 50:50, but now it doesn't work because even if you have them set to those specific numbers the sc2 client just rounds them up to decimal after every restart. for-example 51 will turn into 51.3334, which is not what you want ! The only solution is to manually enter 51-54 in the variable before opening sc2 client, because once you close the client the settings get rounded to decimals.
When I set my sensitivity to 51 in game, and then exit, I find 'mousesensitivity=0.505050' in my variables.txt.
Is this right? Or should I change it to 'mousesensitivity=0.500000' and set variables.txt to read-only?
I don't know why you're getting strange values like 0.513334.
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this is messed up! Is it really going to make a damn difference if i up my in-game sensitivity from 51% to 56%??? Like who wants to buy my deathadder3500 off me so i can buy the mamba?
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Really SC2 community? How do we optimize our mice?
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One more question to you guys... How's the double click action on Logitech g9(x)?
Please don't reply and just say, yea it's great a great mouse. If anyone's tested mice and knows the differences between it and razer mice like the deathadder, please let me know.
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screw the logitech or r.a.t. 7. Get the Mamba. BEST right hand palm grip mouse ever if you hold it right, or the Deathadder if its dpi is enough but the Mamba's side buttons work like a dream y'all!
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Can anyone help me?
I got Razer Mamba, using 1800 dpi 5/11 in windows and 51% in SC
in that case my starcraft is faster than windows and i dont want him to be
So if i understand correctly i should make windows sens 6/11 and lower the dpi right?
Thanks in advance!
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On July 16 2011 23:00 Larryx wrote:
Can anyone help me?
I got Razer Mamba, using 1800 dpi 5/11 in windows and 51% in SC
in that case my starcraft is faster than windows and i dont want him to be
So if i understand correctly i should make windows sens 6/11 and lower the dpi right?
Thanks in advance!
51% in SC is the same as 6/11 windows.
So its pretty logical your mouse feels faster in sc2 than in windows.
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thanks mate, i tryed 6/11 and lowered dpi to 1600 and its lot better <3
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how does the sensitivity on your razer driver have to do with accuracy?
for instance, if i have my windows at 6/11 sc2 at 51-54 but my razer death adder sensitivity setting at 7/10 does that affect my accuracy and skip pixels or not?
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Honestly, for accuracy mouse settings arent that important. The real issue is framerate. To get good accuracy and fast response a 120 Hz lcd is a minimum(with GPU being able to saturate it of course), and a CRT with 150 or 180 Hz is even better.
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I just got a razor specter--I was wondering how the switch in the bottom works with SC2 sensitivity?
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Easier solution, just put everything to 100% and learn to control that speed, that's what I do at least.
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On July 17 2011 00:30 Ziktomini wrote:
Easier solution, just put everything to 100% and learn to control that speed, that's what I do at least.
meh with the deathadder you can only go from 900 to 1800
900 being way to slow
and 1800 being way to fast
better start saving up for a mamba! (you can customize the dpi to intervals of 100) :D
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On July 17 2011 00:30 Ziktomini wrote:
Easier solution, just put everything to 100% and learn to control that speed, that's what I do at least.
Some of the first posts discuss that when you set certain settings to max, such as the Windows Mouse speed, you loose efficiency and accuracy. Not the "its going faster you can't control it well" accuracy, but software accuracy.
Anyway I used to have my mouse set with precise control on, 6/11 at 51% in game with my RAT 7 at 1900. After reading the information in this article, I turned off precise control, left it at 6/11 and 51% and switched it back to 1600. This feels like learning to play Starcraft 2 all over again. If you skateboard, longboard, surf, or snowboard, it feels like I went from goofy stance to regular.
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Edit: Check next post before bashing me. I was kinda wrong
Hello everyone, Razer Naga user checking in.
I saw this topic several months ago but i didnt noticed that it suggests that we should tune down our dpi settings and leave windows sensitivity at 6/11, starcraft at 51%.
First of all, i am using 3/11 mouse sensitivity in Windows control panel.
I am playing with 23% (well it looks like everything between 21 and 24% is the same) Starcraft sensitivty.
My Naga is configured so it works at 5600 dpi (max for this mouse).
I am trying to find a reason to decrease my ACTUAL mouse sensitivity. Yes, by putting the sc/windows-one so low i am "cutting" from it, but imo in the worst case i will break even when using the max resolution. In the best case i will "pull" slightly ahead.
I would be happy if anyone can convince me why max DPI settings is inferior to reducing your Mouse sensitivity. This increases the precision of the recorded mouse movements and cuts from the cursor movement. Doesnt sacrifice any sensitivity
Not trying to argue or something, im just up for a discussion.
Edit: I know that i need to put my SC2 sensitivity slider to 26-29% in order to have equal sc2 and windows sensitivity. As i understand, the windows mouse setting doesnt affect SC2 in any way, so making them 'even' is just a matter of personal prefference.
I might try setting up my SC2 sensitivity a bit higher and see how it works for me (that way i may get a better feel for the mouse if its equally fast in Windows and Starcraft).
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So i downloaded MouseMovementRecorder. The thing i didnt realised when i wrote my previous post, is that if the sensitivity is below 50% (6/11, 51% in sc etc) it CUTS from your cursor movement. The mouse moves, the cursor doesnt.
Holy **** ...
I set my sensitivity to 1500 dpi and it feels as good as before (well its slightly faster but i will get used to it). To the people with razer mouses that have pre-fixed dpi settings (800, 1600 and 3200 for example) i would suggest using 1600 (should be good) and if its too fast - decreasing the sensitivity in starcraft to 41-44 / 46-49%. The mouse wont skip pixels, it will drop some movements but it wont be as bad as on 23% (hahah i dont know how ive played on this, 3/4 of the movements were being cut off from the game..).
I still get red (skipping pixels) when i do some strange movements with the mouse but it happens every 200 iterations or so, its normal i guess? I mean, all i see is normal (not red/green) lines but every now and then a red line appears.
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Well before you set the sensitivity at 51,52,53, or 54 percent in either the variable file or through the menu to get the true 50:50, but now it doesn't work because even if you have them set to those specific numbers the sc2 client just rounds them up to decimal after every restart. for-example 51 will turn into 51.3334, which is not what you want !
The only solution is to manually enter 51-54 in the variable before opening sc2 client, because once you close the client the settings get rounded to decimals.
This really worries me. I checked my Variables, it shows 50.505050 so its ok. Is this fixed or the value will change the next time i launch/close starcraft?
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Hello,
I'm currently playing with Abyssus set on 1800dpi (6/11 sensitivity in windows, 52% in SC2 (0.51.... in variables)) on 1680x1050 screen resoultion and it feels little too much. So if someone can comment if this is good way to effectively reduce dpi without hurting precision (no pixel skipping):
mouse - 1800dpi
windows sensitivity - 5/11, that's 4:3
SC2 sensitivity - 43%, 0.424242 in variables file ... according to first post in this thread it should be 5*9.09>45%, but that sensitivity is closer to 1:1 than 4:3 is. According to this post, it should be between 41% and 44% for 4:3.
final result - 1800*3/4=1350dpi
Mouse Movement Recorder results:
- moving mouse vertically or horizontally (in SC2 and windows) results in one in a four pointer movement green lines - I think it means mouse movement isn't recognized as pointer movement.
- moving mouse results in bigger number of green lines, but I assume it's because one in a four green line appears for both coordinates that aren't necessarily occurring at the same time.
Problem is that sometimes red lines appear, more frequently in SC2 (around once in a twenty). Should I be worried about that and go back to 1800dpi (1:1), or should I stick to effective 1350dpi (which feels good) because i haven't lost that much precision?
Thanks!
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Stick to what feels comfortable to you. Tbh green lines shouldnt be a big problem, you wont ever skip and it isnt much either. I think i also got 1 red line in every 30 but its negligible.
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I don't understand anything but I already have 6/11 windows and 53% in starcraft2
but my deathadder has 3500dpi and i'm using 1800dpi... is that a problem?
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On August 10 2011 17:31 yoonshik95 wrote:
I don't understand anything but I already have 6/11 windows and 53% in starcraft2
but my deathadder has 3500dpi and i'm using 1800dpi... is that a problem?
Nope. If it works for you it's fine.
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On August 10 2011 17:32 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:31 yoonshik95 wrote:
I don't understand anything but I already have 6/11 windows and 53% in starcraft2
but my deathadder has 3500dpi and i'm using 1800dpi... is that a problem? Nope. If it works for you it's fine.
Thank you kind sir
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I don't know how much the sensitivity affects gameplay at all on the highest levels of play. But something made me QQ today on LiquidRet's stream: he said, that he has set his mouse sensitivity at about 38% in SC2 and far below 6/11 in Windows. In addition he said, that it makes no difference at all, where the slider has been set.
So dear progamers, how awesome would it be, if you wouldn't fool you muscle memory with "bad" pixel ratios. Given the time I think that readjusting the mouse would boost your micro even more to an unbelievable level.
No offense at all - ♥ to OP.
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Uh so i tried i fiddling with it again today. My mx518 1600dpi feels closest to 8/11 windows with about 74 ingame.
Is that right?
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Someone should tell Blizzard to fix the slider.
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this is actually pretty helpful, glad i found this thanks :D
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On September 24 2011 01:16 JiYan wrote:
this is actually pretty helpful, glad i found this thanks :D
With the most recent patch you can just disable the in-game sensitivity and set Windows' slider to 6/11.
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On November 02 2010 14:22 rolled64 wrote:
So if you're below 1:1 you lose pixels (and therefore precision) because your cursor moves less than your physical mouse, and if you're above 6/11 (1:1) you also lose precision due to artificial generation of movement? This is the reasoning behind the theoretical 1:1 perfection point?
If you're below 6/11 its the same as using a mouse with less dpi. You're not losing precision, since you're not skipping any pixels, the cursor only moves slower.
If you're above 6/11 is the same as using a mouse with more dpi, just that the missing tracking information that your mouse cannot provide has to be interpolated by the software. You will lose precision, its possible that some pixels on the screen cannot be reached exactly, depending on resolution.
Just remember that dpi does not equal mouse precision in a way that you will be able to have better accuracy. Either you can reach all pixels with your mouse, in which case the mouse is precise, or you can't, in which case your mouse has not enough dpi for your preferred cursor speed at your resolution.
But getting a mouse with more dpi will never improve your mouse precision at all unless your comfort zone is currently above 6/11. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense wanting to have more dpi from your mouse since you will have to throw all the tracking information away anyways in order to get a reasonable cursor speed at your resolution. Much more important than dpi is the quality of the sensor (error rate, positive or negative acceleration).
Unfortunately, mice are usually marketed trying to trick customers into thinking that more dpi will bring more gaming precision, which is complete bullshit at standard resolutions. Just move your mouse an inch, and count the number of pixels that your cursor moved. Each dpi more that your mouse collects is wasted.
a very well resarched article on mouse performance can be found here. Its a bit older though, but I bet theres a reason that a lot of pro fps players still use some of the popular models shown there:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679
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thanks for that, i was configuring my mouse all wrong =P
had like 1800 dpi, and high % in SC, now i just changed to 51% and im using 4000 dpi
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On September 24 2011 03:40 Minored wrote:
thanks for that, i was configuring my mouse all wrong =P
had like 1800 dpi, and high % in SC, now i just changed to 51% and im using 4000 dpi
I don't understand how it's possible to play with such high DPI.
I've recently got a Steelseries Xai where you can choose the exact DPI (they call it CPI - Counts Per Inch, which I think it's the same), and anything above 700 seems too fast to control my units properly. I have SC2 sensitivity disabled and 6/11 on windows.
Players known for top micro like Happy or SaSe also use extremely low sensitivity (I saw them with large mouse movements on their mousepads).
So why do some of you use such high DPI?
Am I right when I say that higher DPI means less control over the mouse?
I'm not a mouse expert so I'm curious to see what others think ^^
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the question of cyclone seriusly i never had this one answered myself , but for example Hanfy a GM Zerg with superp micro said that he has more then 80 % as setting.
I personaly prefer that much of speed that i dont have to move my hand and only have to move for 1 screen max exact to the point before i have to move my hand.
But my avg apm combined with mouse movement is 90 so u better give shit about those 3 lines.
Huk / Thorzain / Jinro and some more people who sometimes in TL post and have good micro might help in this unanswered area out.
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There is no secret answer to cyclone25's question. If you can navigate to every point on your screen without problems, everything is alright. There is nothing special to understand about different mouse DPI and sensitivity for different people. If it works comfortably, fast and accurately for someone, there is nothing wrong.
For myself, I know I can play with higher DPI, but my accuracy suffers if I am agitated while not having slept or eaten enough. This was a big problem when I had to play in clan-wars and on LAN tournaments in FPS games, because you cannot just skip playing if you have a day where your mouse aim is shit. So I use a lower DPI than what would actually be most comfortable for me. Originally I also used acceleration, because that felt most comfortable, but dropped it for the same reason.
I know my friends did not have that problem as bad as me, and I was alone with my much lower sensitivity settings. Everyone experimented and practiced a lot for years to get to their best mouse aim possible, and this just naturally resulted in vastly different settings for each person.
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How do the razer tools affect that all?
Do they even overwrite SC2 mouse speed?
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So how Do you change your Windows mouse settings?
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On October 11 2011 02:29 miky505 wrote:
So how Do you change your Windows mouse settings?
Control Panel > Mouse > Pointer Options
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Question!
I have a logitech G500 running at max DPI (5600, I think) and I'm only using 2 in windows speed, and 14% in Starcraft 2. This equates to a slow speed, which I like, but my friend would tell me it was also one of the most accurate configurations because of the low windows/high DPI.
Is it certain that if I were to use 6 in windows, 51% in SC2 and a DPI setting that matched my liking, I would be more accurate? Thanks!
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On November 02 2011 08:27 Teeky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 02:29 miky505 wrote:
So how Do you change your Windows mouse settings? Control Panel > Mouse > Pointer Options ----- Question! I have a logitech G500 running at max DPI (5600, I think) and I'm only using 2 in windows speed, and 14% in Starcraft 2. This equates to a slow speed, which I like, but my friend would tell me it was also one of the most accurate configurations because of the low windows/high DPI. Is it certain that if I were to use 6 in windows, 51% in SC2 and a DPI setting that matched my liking, I would be more accurate? Thanks!
Yes...
Also, people are saying that anything below 6/11 is fine too, but that is not the case, at 5/11 for example windows will read 111011101110 for movement (or something very similar) when you are actuly moving 111111111111, making your movement inconsistent.
4/11 will just read 101010101010 so it is fine, 3/11 too is half of that and still consistent
not sure of other settings but i know 5/11, 7/11 and 11/11 are all inconsistent (besides >6/11 interpolation)
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I really appreciate the reply, Cyro. So my issue isn't nearly so much windows settings as DPI mouse settings, I guess. I thought DPI ~ precision all this time, and struggled to find a way to make windows/sc2 compensate for keeping it at its highest to play as accurately as possible.
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On November 02 2011 08:41 Teeky wrote:
I really appreciate the reply, Cyro. So my issue isn't nearly so much windows settings as DPI mouse settings, I guess. I thought DPI ~ precision all this time, and struggled to find a way to make windows/sc2 compensate for keeping it at its highest to play as accurately as possible.
DPI is irrelevant to precision in starcraft and most other stuff (some FPS games it is relevant for, but really not important)
Put windows sens on 6/11, disable enhanced pointer precision, sc2 ingame sens off and just lower/raise dpi until you are comfortable
With those settings and for example 1000 dpi, for every inch you move your mouse your cursor will move 1000 pixels, having higher dpi doesnt magically make you able to move more accuratly at the same sensitivity in a normal interface (for FPS games, you can turn in degrees, with a lot of engines you can turn ex 0.1 degrees if you use high enough dpi, but there really is no notable difference between 800dpi and 5x sensitivity in the FPS engine and just 4000dpi, @800dpi you are still registering 800 notches per inch of mouse movement, with low sens you can turn ~0.3 degrees no problem)
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None of this will make a difference in your play. I played competitive CS for years and can't tell you how many times I diddled with mouse settings for the 'perfect' sensitivity. Just stick with what you know, it's fine.
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On November 02 2011 08:53 hunger wrote:
None of this will make a difference in your play. I played competitive CS for years and can't tell you how many times I diddled with mouse settings for the 'perfect' sensitivity. Just stick with what you know, it's fine.
Counterstrike is different, FPS engine, different rules than the 2d interface of starcraft and windows desktop
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On November 02 2011 08:53 hunger wrote:
None of this will make a difference in your play. I played competitive CS for years and can't tell you how many times I diddled with mouse settings for the 'perfect' sensitivity. Just stick with what you know, it's fine.
The problem has been that I haven't felt comfortable with my settings at all, and seeing this thread made me enthusiastic. Given how backwards my philosophy was on this, a proposal for completely opposite settings intrigued me. I'll try what Cyro suggests and I think it will heed nice enough results. - Thanks a lot.
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On November 02 2011 08:57 Teeky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:53 hunger wrote:
None of this will make a difference in your play. I played competitive CS for years and can't tell you how many times I diddled with mouse settings for the 'perfect' sensitivity. Just stick with what you know, it's fine. The problem has been that I haven't felt comfortable with my settings at all, and seeing this thread made me enthusiastic. Given how backwards my philosophy was on this, a proposal for completely opposite settings intrigued me. I'll try what Cyro suggests and I think it will heed nice enough results. - Thanks a lot.
Np
I play at 400/800 dpi, but from what ive heard 1600-2000 is "normal".
I use a 45x40cm mousemat though
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I disabled the sc2 mouse settings entirely and am using the 6/11 with between 1400-2000 dpi.
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So this might be a stupid question on my part. I'm assuming that if I disabled my in-game sensitivity all together that I will get a 1:1 ratio. Instead of setting it to 51% correct?
I have a XAI and I use 600CPI with 6/11. I use to have it on 5000CPI at 20% in-game sensitivity. Then I came across this thread and decided that I didn't want "extra pixels" so I chose 600CPI with in-game sensitivity disabled. It feels roughly the same.
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well my logitech software has an option (disable native OS drivers for pointer and acceleration) and i have that off with my logitech option at 5/10.
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Does it matter if I have diferent screen-resolution in sc2 then in windows?
I have in windows : 1920*1080
sc2: 1440*900
Windows mouse settings 6/11, Enhance pointer precision; off, and I even added the reg-fix.
Sc2 settings, 54%
Razer abyssus settings 10/10, 1800dpi, 1000Hz polling rate..
Please help, So that I can sleep well! I am a perfectionist
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Wow did you resurrect an old thread for that question...but the answer, as far as I know, is no. If you play SC2 in full screen mode it'll change the windows resolution temporarily, anyway. However, that brings up the question of why the resolutions are different to begin with. You should set both to be whatever the native resolution of your monitor is for best results.
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Yes, sorry
ok thanks! Well its because of fps, i get a little better with that lower res.
=)
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Sup Teamliquid,
I think my question fits very well into this very good topic that is still important today : It's not outdated and timeless imo.
So it deserves an unintended pointer anyways.
Me:
After many ladder plays of Sc2 I found my DPI of 1800 for 1920x1080 too be slightly too high, because I can't reach a good minimap click precision (everything else is really fine).
My mouse has two settings:
1800 DPI and
800 DPI
Because of the wanted minimap precision I tried 800 DPI for a bit now. And I think for Sc2 it's inferior (for me) for a very quick RTS. Of course the minimap precision is there now.
Therefore I want to reach a middle ground, where I can have minimap precision and a quicker mouse (close to 1800 DPI ... of what was fine but the small precision)
-> so I tried a virtual DPI of 1200
~I read the thread of 6/11 being the optimal setting, again it*s not optimal for me read above, because I have only these 2 settings and 1800 DPI is "too fast" and 800 DPI is "too slow"~
My question topic 1 is: Which way would you recommend of how to achieve this virtual DPI of 1200 best?
a) use
1800 DPI
and windows 4/11 => Sc2: 37% (0,366) ;;testing atm works okay.
b) use
800 DPI
and windows 9/11 => Sc2: 82% (0,811)
is there any differences in the so called "Pixel Jumping" between both those options?
Bonus Question: and if yes, what would be the answers for virtual "1500" DPI?
(FYI Both mathematically put 1800 with 6/11 (Sc2=52%) to "1200". (background: 1800 / 6 x 4 = 1200 ;; 800 / 6 x 9 = 1200)
PS: Also a nice read regarding this topic: https://tl.net/forum/general/504102-esports-ergonomics-tutorial including recommended DPI
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