On October 13 2010 09:34 PinkPrincess wrote: Sigh, Blizzard really needs to stop being such a carebear company. If people want to swear, be racist, sexist, etc. fine: let them do so.
You realise how fast they'd get sued if they did that?
Probably about as fast as they did for not caring about it in the first Bnet? (i.e., never?)
To clarify, I mean on Bnet. I have no problem (and in fact think they should) policing their forums.
On October 13 2010 09:34 PinkPrincess wrote: Sigh, Blizzard really needs to stop being such a carebear company. If people want to swear, be racist, sexist, etc. fine: let them do so.
You realise how fast they'd get sued if they did that?
like google gets sued for having racist videos on youtube?
On October 13 2010 09:34 PinkPrincess wrote: Sigh, Blizzard really needs to stop being such a carebear company. If people want to swear, be racist, sexist, etc. fine: let them do so.
You realise how fast they'd get sued if they did that?
Probably about as fast as they did for not caring about it in the first Bnet? (i.e., never?)
To clarify, I mean on Bnet. I have no problem (and in fact think they should) policing their forums.
Yeah I don't know, the one argument he has in his favor is that it's a T-rated service... but I mean XBL I imagine is 10x worse (from what I hear)... but those FPS are also mostly M, so I don't know.
I miss the good old days of bnet 1.0 where you could host any map you wanted and its qualitiy would determine how much it was hosted not some broken popularity system with admins banning maps all together for what they percieve as foul language.
Awr look you know, it's clear why Blizzard has the policy they do, and while things like this are going to happen and that's unfortuntate and clearly frustrating for the mapmaker, to Blizuz credit they have a process for "appeal" which is in operation and should rescue this particular map.
I appeciate there are people who feel it should be a "wild west"/anarchist state of nature, but it is a Bliz game and it's not unreasonable for them to have a fairly strict "first pass" policy and negotiate on the more difficult cases, such as this one.
The way Bliz handles this kind of thing, no it's not ideal; but it's reasonable in the circumstances.
On October 13 2010 08:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey I know what, let's take dictionaries out of schools because kids might look up naughty words. If the above statement makes sense to you, than you might just work for blizzard. + Show Spoiler +
But seriously, wtf?
When I was a kid I looked up naughty words in the dictionary... ._.
On October 13 2010 09:38 Antiochus wrote: I miss the good old days of bnet 1.0 where you could host any map you wanted and its qualitiy would determine how much it was hosted not some broken popularity system with admins banning maps all together for what they percieve as foul language.
Agreed.
Also, even if your map wasn't popular, you could still host it and not rely upon people scrolling down 10 screens to see it. Most of all though, I miss being able to ADMIN MY OWN GAME THAT I HOSTED. If I want to host a custom game and I'm a host of it (in a pub mode), then I can't even kick people who join, even if I know they're laggers/assholes/etc. Plus, for some maps you want to say "only come if you have a level 15 xyz". Wouldn't be such an issue if I could use channels, but the only way to achieve a specific group of people given the lack of custom game control right now is by the terrible party system.
On October 13 2010 09:40 chocopan wrote: Awr look you know, it's clear why Blizzard has the policy they do, and while things like this are going to happen and that's unfortuntate and clearly frustrating for the mapmaker, to Blizuz credit they have a process for "appeal" which is in operation and should rescue this particular map.
I appeciate there are people who feel it should be a "wild west"/anarchist state of nature, but it is a Bliz game and it's not unreasonable for them to have a fairly strict "first pass" policy and negotiate on the more difficult cases, such as this one.
The way Bliz handles this kind of thing, no it's not ideal; but it's reasonable in the circumstances.
2c.
SC1, D2, War3 were all Blizzard games. So far as I'm aware, they never tried to clamp down on people hosting custom games there (D2 they couldn't host custom MAPS, but they never clamped down on game names to my knowledge). I cannot at all see your logic for "it's a blizzard game, that's why they do it".
On October 13 2010 09:42 boxzi wrote: It sounds like some people who played the map found the words and reported it. So you can't really blame Blizzard.
Of course you can. If I report boxzi for making BCs in a game, then Blizzard should just ignore my report since it's retarded. They should similarly do that here.
I didn't realize Starcraft 2 had an ESRB rating of E...
Blizzard is starting to remind me of Neopets in the way they protect against swearing/etc. Next thing y'know they'll start banning people for "inappropriate in-game" language. ~_~
The reason they took it down is because with Starcraft & Battlenet 2, Blizzard is laying claim TO EVERYTHING(remember our maps and replays belong to them). So obviously they're protecting themselves from getting sued. Of course it would be awesome to have a cooperative effort to make something and sue them for it before they could take it down. Teach them a lesson about IP rights eh
Btw just throwing it out there for the SC2 players, there's a wonderful unpoliced world on BroodWar with no filters whatsoever
The real problem is with out government. Under the pretense of protection of the youth lots of laws are passed that end up being censorship laws. Even worse, since those laws are extremely vague and nobody really knows when they will be hit by a lawsuit everyone has to be extremely careful and do a whole lot of self-censorship just to be on the safe side.
Laws that are not precise and force an individual or a company to live in a state of fear because the government could strike at any time are far worse than actual strict laws in e.g. a dictatorship. By forcing people into anticipatory obedience they cause much more harm.
It's very sad to see that Blizzard is following this pattern but it is hardly surprising. Don't blame Blizzard, blame your politicians and fight them with your votes.
On October 13 2010 09:24 some_pro wrote: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/832103874?page=4#74 Hey Rodrigo, thanks for posting. We're actually in the process of investigating the ban already; it looks like you also contacted our support department about it, which was the right move. Someone will be contacting you soon regarding the issue.
I wanted to point out though that the reports we received for the words included in the map’s dictionary were fairly vast, and clearly offensive in most cases. The one quoted in the reason for the ban was the least offensive. In any case, please wait for the customer service contact and they’ll work with you on republishing and any changes we’d require.
On that note, forum posts aren’t the right place to dispute a ban. We want to make sure that anyone looking to do so please use the correct forms of contact so we can address any requests as quickly as possible. The support web form is the correct place: http://us.blizzard.com/support/webform.xml
On October 13 2010 08:57 Astro Boy wrote: So this person didn't even know what dyke was before they looked it up. Thats so stupid.
Clearly. Everyone who does not speak English is a moron!!111!
Guys... um... oh never mind. :/
This is sad news, at first, but according to the blizz post they only chose the word "dyke" to mention in the email because it was the least offensive. And besides, it looks like once he cleans up the game, he'll be able to republish it.
I think blizz did the right thing. It at least says to me they listen to people's objections on battlenet. Don't get so hung up on it getting pulled down for a couple/few days. Once he fixes it, I'm sure they'll let him put it back up. That's what they aluded to anyway.
Edit: And I know they're just words in the dictionary but.. they kind of have to be in the dictionary, it's supposed to be all-inclusive of a language. Just because words are in the dictionary doesn't mean you need to have those words in just any situation.
On October 13 2010 09:24 some_pro wrote: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/832103874?page=4#74 Hey Rodrigo, thanks for posting. We're actually in the process of investigating the ban already; it looks like you also contacted our support department about it, which was the right move. Someone will be contacting you soon regarding the issue.
I wanted to point out though that the reports we received for the words included in the map’s dictionary were fairly vast, and clearly offensive in most cases. The one quoted in the reason for the ban was the least offensive. In any case, please wait for the customer service contact and they’ll work with you on republishing and any changes we’d require.
On that note, forum posts aren’t the right place to dispute a ban. We want to make sure that anyone looking to do so please use the correct forms of contact so we can address any requests as quickly as possible. The support web form is the correct place: http://us.blizzard.com/support/webform.xml
"Please don't embarrass us in public".
Hahhaha, I tought the exact same thing when I read that message. How lame they are really.