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[Vids] Moon and Lyn playing at GSL Qualifiers

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51409 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 01:48:16
October 10 2010 01:48 GMT
#1
Topic speaks for it self...





Credits: Ethan Ahn (Ahn Yeong-hoon) @ PlayXP
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TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 01:52:23
October 10 2010 01:50 GMT
#2
cool checking it out now.

edit: wow his hands are fast!
coLCruncher fighting!
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
October 10 2010 01:53 GMT
#3
omg... sc2 attracting all the progamers to switch
I have moon's mousepad!
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 10 2010 01:54 GMT
#4
Moon's fingers are fast as lightning. It's a little bit frightening.
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 01:58:23
October 10 2010 01:54 GMT
#5
my mousepad!

last vid looks like a fun game. he misclicked when placing the fact tho :o
delloR
Profile Joined September 2010
United States57 Posts
October 10 2010 01:55 GMT
#6
God moon jesus, hes so quick.
epik151
Profile Joined February 2008
312 Posts
October 10 2010 01:57 GMT
#7
And moon is slow compared to BW pros too. Well, according to him.
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
October 10 2010 01:58 GMT
#8
Lyn's keyboard is so loud, rofl
henjebenje
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia73 Posts
October 10 2010 02:00 GMT
#9
dayummmm!
The Sun & the Moon
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
October 10 2010 02:04 GMT
#10
Sadly both are terrans. They should know there are more terran-haters than fans.
Its grack
HeaveNTiMe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States104 Posts
October 10 2010 02:04 GMT
#11
too short!! hjahha need longer soo cool
Hi
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
October 10 2010 02:06 GMT
#12
Can anyone see what keyboard lyn is using?
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
October 10 2010 02:06 GMT
#13
Now I'm think about it, I might be as fast as Lyn!
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Ryzu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States369 Posts
October 10 2010 02:09 GMT
#14
On October 10 2010 11:06 Repok wrote:
Can anyone see what keyboard lyn is using?


Lyn is using a Steelseries 7G
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
October 10 2010 02:09 GMT
#15
On October 10 2010 11:04 bokeevboke wrote:
Sadly both are terrans. They should know there are more terran-haters than fans.


Well, Lyn plays Orc in WarCraft III, so no big surprise there.

Heavy weapons guy: You are terran. Not big surprise.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Elmo
Profile Joined July 2010
France90 Posts
October 10 2010 02:11 GMT
#16
god they're fast...
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
October 10 2010 02:13 GMT
#17
They're so fast....but moon is a prime example that speed isn't everything. Seeing as he didn't even qualify lol.
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Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
October 10 2010 02:13 GMT
#18
I wish there was another clip of Moon playing later on in the game so we could see his effective APM.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6102 Posts
October 10 2010 02:14 GMT
#19
Does Lyn play on a mechanical keyboard?

So loud,
#1 Terran hater
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
October 10 2010 02:15 GMT
#20
Weren't these just linked in the interview with Lyn?
Ryzu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States369 Posts
October 10 2010 02:18 GMT
#21
On October 10 2010 11:14 Highways wrote:
Does Lyn play on a mechanical keyboard?

So loud,


Yeah, the Steelseries 7G is mechanical, with Cherry MX Black switches, linear resistance keys, medium sound level compared to Blue and Brown switches.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 10 2010 02:20 GMT
#22
sexy, interestingly they are using razer mice
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Nivoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway259 Posts
October 10 2010 02:23 GMT
#23
Thanks a bunch for the videos! Really appriciate it!
kasumimi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Greece460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 03:02:04
October 10 2010 02:28 GMT
#24
On October 10 2010 11:13 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
They're so fast....but moon is a prime example that speed isn't everything. Seeing as he didn't even qualify lol.


Really? After watching the vid I was so intimidated, now plain disappointed ;<
Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
October 10 2010 02:28 GMT
#25
If they are practicing Starcraft 2 wouldnt that put WeMade in a tough situation with KESPA? Or is it because they are WCIII progamers WeMade will be fine. Hopefully KESPA doesnt make them pull the two from tournaments they are fun to watch.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 10 2010 02:29 GMT
#26
On October 10 2010 11:15 n0xi3 wrote:
Weren't these just linked in the interview with Lyn?

i linked them in yesterday's livereport thread but GTR is a gloryhog =P
seriously though, it's good that they have a new topic, now more people will see them.
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nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
October 10 2010 02:31 GMT
#27
On October 10 2010 11:28 Ordained wrote:
If they are practicing Starcraft 2 wouldnt that put WeMade in a tough situation with KESPA? Or is it because they are WCIII progamers WeMade will be fine. Hopefully KESPA doesnt make them pull the two from tournaments they are fun to watch.

Omg stop posting these questions. WC3 gamers don't even have licenses or need them as far as we know as there are 0 Kespa sanctioned WC3 events. WeMadeFox is an umbrella organisation of a lot of games. It would be unreasonable of Kespa to even ask WeMadeFox to request their palyers from other games to not play SC2.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 02:32:00
October 10 2010 02:31 GMT
#28
wonder why Lyn isn't playing with a 16: 9 or 16:10 ratio resolution
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PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
October 10 2010 02:34 GMT
#29
looks like Moon was going at about only 10% his maximum speed
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 02:40:07
October 10 2010 02:34 GMT
#30
They use a steelseries QCK Mass :D:D:D

Edit: AND Lyn uses a steelseries 7g lol, i love how wemade is the team sponsored by Razer and they use steelseries gear
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Cadgers
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States514 Posts
October 10 2010 02:39 GMT
#31
I saw Moon use the Razer Lycosa in a video before, seems Koreans just can't resist the DT35.
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
October 10 2010 02:43 GMT
#32
On October 10 2010 11:20 NB wrote:
sexy, interestingly they are using razer mice

razer sponsors WMF
rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
October 10 2010 02:47 GMT
#33
On October 10 2010 11:09 Ryzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 11:06 Repok wrote:
Can anyone see what keyboard lyn is using?


Lyn is using a Steelseries 7G


It's a 6GV2 http://steelseries.com/products/keyboards/
What qxc said.
Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
October 10 2010 02:48 GMT
#34
heh razer lachesis ftw! although i don't follow wc3 I am very interested in watching some full games of theres to see the play style differences.
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MusiK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 02:52:09
October 10 2010 02:49 GMT
#35
Are they using Grid hotkeys?

Edit:

Nvm, they're using standard. xP
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51409 Posts
October 10 2010 02:55 GMT
#36
wouldn't be surprised if they switch to the blackwidow's anytime soon ;d
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
October 10 2010 03:02 GMT
#37
lol. fast hands ftw

thats impossible for me seriously
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
October 10 2010 03:03 GMT
#38
All the people remarking how fast moon is
you should see Bisu's hands, or his FPview. like a fuckan tornado
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ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
October 10 2010 03:08 GMT
#39
On October 10 2010 11:14 Highways wrote:
Does Lyn play on a mechanical keyboard?

So loud,

I think all pros do
Being weak is a choice.
Ryzu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States369 Posts
October 10 2010 03:22 GMT
#40
On October 10 2010 11:47 rockslave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 11:09 Ryzu wrote:
On October 10 2010 11:06 Repok wrote:
Can anyone see what keyboard lyn is using?


Lyn is using a Steelseries 7G


It's a 6GV2 http://steelseries.com/products/keyboards/



It's a 7G. Check the short Backspace key.
Laggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States385 Posts
October 10 2010 03:25 GMT
#41
dakakakakakakaka took took took dakdakdakdakakakakakakakaka

Terran adjutant voice "Self destruct sequence in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.."
Moon/Lyn/SCV "Uhh ohh..."

Haha I calculate they go through 18 keyboards a month! I really hope I don't sound like that when I play.
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vanceblasc2
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria11 Posts
October 10 2010 03:27 GMT
#42
--- Nuked ---
Calidus
Profile Joined April 2010
150 Posts
October 10 2010 03:28 GMT
#43
Well if Esports in Korea ever dies they will have a solid chance a being a secretary lol. I bet they could type close to 200 words/min.
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Swarls
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia193 Posts
October 10 2010 03:30 GMT
#44
The first 2 vids, even tho their fingers are fast, is just them at the start of the game spamming the keyboard. 1base 1rax.
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Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
October 10 2010 03:31 GMT
#45
Playing on soft touch keyboards is icky to me, and seems inferior to mechanical keyboards. Mechanical keyboards provide more feed back to you what you are playing, your auditory cues help you know if you executed a command correctly.
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Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
October 10 2010 03:41 GMT
#46
Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.

And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm.

Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.

Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this
Dead girls don't say no.
VPC
Profile Joined May 2010
United States135 Posts
October 10 2010 03:46 GMT
#47
Hrmm...... Dont get me wrong, these guys are the best of the best but I had no idea that their APM came from a bunch of clicks that add up to 0 half of the time.

Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 10 2010 03:50 GMT
#48
When the time comes to press a sequence of keys extremely quickly, it is much easier do do so if your fingers are already moving at a quick pace (not to mention warmed up), rather than suddenly accelerating from a state of rest.
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
October 10 2010 03:54 GMT
#49
Lyn uses a steelseries keyboard and a razer mouse? damn.

Aiyeeeee
Zero RDS
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada104 Posts
October 10 2010 04:17 GMT
#50
WOW!, is there any advise on working on AMP i wish i was that quick.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 04:23:31
October 10 2010 04:21 GMT
#51
some epic unnecessary apm spam in the 1st two vids


On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote:
Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.

And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm.

Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.

Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this



it might not be mouse speed, it might be the fact that you play with mouse acceleration, and they don't. (you should really turn off mouse acceleration)

there's some good info on TL if you search about why mouse accel is really, really bad.
tackklee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States270 Posts
October 10 2010 04:27 GMT
#52
Does anyone know what these guys' average APM is on a 20+ minute game?
Tevinhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom470 Posts
October 10 2010 04:34 GMT
#53
On October 10 2010 12:28 Calidus wrote:
Well if Esports in Korea ever dies they will have a solid chance a being a secretary lol. I bet they could type close to 200 words/min.

Let's say the average word length is 5 letters (which it is) but infact I'll even discount you the space bar. So average word length of 4 letters + space bar. Therefore someone typing at 100 WPM has 500 APM right? 200 WPM would require 1000 APM x.x. I don't think anyone has that.
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 04:41:33
October 10 2010 04:40 GMT
#54
APM and key presses per minute don't compare. I type ~148wpm sustained with no errors and it's independent of word size, real words or not. On some online tests I can score significantly higher wpm because of the word structure and how short the tests are.

In SC2 I average 170-220 apm and it is generally padded by right clicking too many times for any given action. The biggest difficulty in apm isn't key presses. It's coordinating mouse + screen positions + thoughts + game events with those key presses. For example, I can inject 7 hatcheries in under 1 second - it requires no mousing or thought. I doubt I can even place 3 buildings in 1 second and it is significantly less physical actions (if I had 3 workers sitting there and an open field I could, okay, but to place them coherently nope.)

If key presses translated to apm then every top gunz player would have 800+apm in sc2 no problem. It just doesn't work that way.
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
October 10 2010 04:46 GMT
#55
huh, it looks like they are just doing this to boost up their APM, alot of it seem unnecessary.
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sudo.era
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States300 Posts
October 10 2010 04:48 GMT
#56
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote:
Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.

And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm.

Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.

Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this

We went from TL members awed by pro APMs to now being whiney ninnies. It's a trend now.

You don't want high mouse speed. You want it somewhere near the middle (more or less), as that offers the best precision and speed for RTS games. If you want to see ridiculously low mouse speed, look at FPS pro gamers. Their mouse pads are as big as my desk.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 10 2010 04:50 GMT
#57
Wow, moon looks like he has 400 apm
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 05:30:18
October 10 2010 04:50 GMT
#58
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote:
Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.

And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm.

Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.

Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this


Because most people who play that do not spam when the game gets into the later stages they are moving very very slow especially when in late game the amount of apm to do everything you want to do is alot higher then 20.

Players spam at the beginning because they can normally maintain a high apm and multi task and its a great way to warm your hands. If you don't spam and later in the game when you need like 150+ apm you will not be able to do it as it is very difficult. I remember reading other explanations of why players spam like in bw in late game you want to have like 200+ apm and players that didn't spam were always slower then the players who did spam in the later stages in terms of micro/macro/etc.

Its just a good way to keep yourself at a fast speed as its easier to maintain a speed if your doing it from the beginning rather then start slow and then 10 minutes later try to move super fast. It just doesn't work good that way.

I know Day 9 in one of his day 9 daily a long time ago explained that when he did not spam his movements later in the game were way slower then they should have been and when he spammed his apm at the later game was alot faster then if he didn't.

Thats why players spam its not as useless as you think trust me.
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tackklee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States270 Posts
October 10 2010 05:02 GMT
#59
On October 10 2010 13:40 JustPlay wrote:
APM and key presses per minute don't compare. I type ~148wpm sustained with no errors and it's independent of word size, real words or not. On some online tests I can score significantly higher wpm because of the word structure and how short the tests are.

In SC2 I average 170-220 apm and it is generally padded by right clicking too many times for any given action. The biggest difficulty in apm isn't key presses. It's coordinating mouse + screen positions + thoughts + game events with those key presses. For example, I can inject 7 hatcheries in under 1 second - it requires no mousing or thought. I doubt I can even place 3 buildings in 1 second and it is significantly less physical actions (if I had 3 workers sitting there and an open field I could, okay, but to place them coherently nope.)

If key presses translated to apm then every top gunz player would have 800+apm in sc2 no problem. It just doesn't work that way.


I'm a little confused. I thought key presses counted towards APM? Which is why you can control group in the beginning and spam 1-4 and get well over 400 APM.
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
October 10 2010 05:38 GMT
#60
I wish I could bring myself to play that fast
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syncom
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway11 Posts
October 10 2010 07:03 GMT
#61
They spam because it's fun and because that keyboard sound is addictive. Seriously, some of you guys are just making problems out of stuff that never was a problem to begin with. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are getting so annoyed by other people's playing style.


dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
October 10 2010 07:12 GMT
#62
lol they are so fast. don't be so harsh on moon. both lyn and himself are only casual(part-time) sc2 player who just came back from wc3 wcg in Los Angeles about a week ago. Yet, they have gone further than most people will. Lyn himselft said that Moon is actually better than him.

Hope they will be able to go very far when they inevitable make the complete switch.
NovemberZerg
Profile Joined July 2010
United States58 Posts
October 10 2010 07:12 GMT
#63
y didnt wemade sign nada for sc2 like moon and lyn o.o;
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
October 10 2010 07:12 GMT
#64
such a shame Moon didn't qualify, was looking forward to watch him play sc2

maybe next time
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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
October 10 2010 07:24 GMT
#65
Needs more info on who they're playing against, but thanks for sharing !
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Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
October 10 2010 07:31 GMT
#66
Wow. He's really building the hell out of that barracks.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
October 10 2010 07:42 GMT
#67
yeah thats what i was wondering as well in the other thread.

if wmf can let its wc3 division to join gsl. why don't they make an sc2 division and recruit the good sc2 players.
WAAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
New Zealand291 Posts
October 10 2010 07:45 GMT
#68
I spam at the beginning to burn extra calories, I thought thats why everyone did it.. o.O
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
October 10 2010 07:46 GMT
#69
How the hell do they spam so much without screwing everything lol.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
October 10 2010 08:00 GMT
#70
Moon's video doesn't really tell you much. You only see him spamming early game. He'll not build that baracks faster with 400apm
Anyways, thanks OP Looking forward for mora games from these players.
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
October 10 2010 08:00 GMT
#71
On October 10 2010 16:03 syncom wrote:
They spam because it's fun and because that keyboard sound is addictive. Seriously, some of you guys are just making problems out of stuff that never was a problem to begin with. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are getting so annoyed by other people's playing style.




So true ..

I found myself that the sound of keyboard is so addictive. Whether playing or just typing in the computer, the sound is really fascinating for me :p

Keyboard press + mouse click doesn't always translate to better play obviously, but real action does, some people call it eAPM or effective APM. As an example if you can spam 500 key press + mouse click, but you can only do like 25 real action per minute then you will for sure losing to somebody who only spam 60 key press + mouse, but all of them is real action.

APM counter usually count every key strokes and mouse click but not the real (effective) APM.
Entaro Adun!
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
October 10 2010 08:01 GMT
#72
On October 10 2010 16:46 Alpina wrote:
How the hell do they spam so much without screwing everything lol.


I guess that what makes a difference between gosu and noob like me :p

^^
Entaro Adun!
Defrag
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland414 Posts
October 10 2010 08:05 GMT
#73
So pointless, this is no longer sc:bw where you need million apm to rally every single worker from each of your bases to minerals.

Yeah, Moon's apm looks amazing, but it no longer matters in sc2 that u click fast - 200 apm is more then enough to do anything u want.
DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
October 10 2010 08:06 GMT
#74
DAT APM
mikou
Profile Joined September 2010
France24 Posts
October 10 2010 08:24 GMT
#75
thx if you have more, send send send !!
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
October 10 2010 08:36 GMT
#76
Nice vids. Good to see Lyn and Moon's apm is similar to their War3 apm. Good sign for them making the transition to SC2.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 08:50:24
October 10 2010 08:44 GMT
#77
On October 10 2010 17:05 Defrag wrote:
So pointless, this is no longer sc:bw where you need million apm to rally every single worker from each of your bases to minerals.

Yeah, Moon's apm looks amazing, but it no longer matters in sc2 that u click fast - 200 apm is more then enough to do anything u want.


No, you will always be able to use that APM for better stuff.

Instead of using that APM to maintain production, you can use it to harass easier, micro individual units better and so forth. Its an erroneous argument to say that more efficient and higher APM won't help you in SC2 like it would in SC1 because of the streamlined interface; the only difference is now people with high APM/good mechanics can more likely put that APM to better use adn achieve more with it since there is no longer a clunky GUI to fight against.



If you have good enough mechanics, APM, multitasking, etc, now you can probably do shit like this while maintain your macro cycles in SC2 amongst other stuff. We're not even through the looking glass yet when it comes to mechanics, all the micro and multitasking so far has been fairly elementary not completely mindblowing.
Celadan
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway471 Posts
October 10 2010 08:53 GMT
#78
well, Moon fighting XD

but since hes moving and grubby is and probably everyone else Wc3 is probably dead TT
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zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
October 10 2010 09:04 GMT
#79
Nice videos and lol @ the people complaining about high apm. Why do you people always bring up the hate about pros having high apm?
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
October 10 2010 09:15 GMT
#80
Really really great clips, thank you very much!

Is Lyn using the steelseries keyboard and razer mouse?
Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!
Buddhist
Profile Joined April 2010
United States658 Posts
October 10 2010 09:26 GMT
#81
Funny how he spams so fast, then when he actually needs the apm, it drops and his movements are considerably slower.
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
October 10 2010 09:35 GMT
#82
Looks like Lyn was fumbling a bit when things got heated. Mind you, I'm not implying anything negative when I say this, but rather I'm interested on whether he was using a new keyboard or still shaking off some Warcraft 3 or something.
beep beep boop
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
October 10 2010 09:35 GMT
#83
On October 10 2010 11:43 dahornnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 11:20 NB wrote:
sexy, interestingly they are using razer mice

razer sponsors WMF


Most of the W3 pros are using the Diamondback 3G mouse (Moon/Lyn/Grubby). It's been like this for years, not because Razer sponsors WMF.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
October 10 2010 09:36 GMT
#84
MooN got out right? What about Lyn?
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 09:41:18
October 10 2010 09:37 GMT
#85
moon plays liek a bw player?

edit: nvm its lyn. i wish we actually saw the whole game
SkyDiDeLY
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
October 10 2010 13:49 GMT
#86
On October 10 2010 12:25 Laggy wrote:
dakakakakakakaka took took took dakdakdakdakakakakakakakaka

Terran adjutant voice "Self destruct sequence in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.."
Moon/Lyn/SCV "Uhh ohh..."

Haha I calculate they go through 18 keyboards a month! I really hope I don't sound like that when I play.

Nah they use mechanical keyboards, they seriously last forever..
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 10 2010 13:53 GMT
#87
They all play Terran haha. It's kind of funny.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
October 10 2010 14:03 GMT
#88
So much needless spamming. It took him 59069234 keystrokes to build 1 rax.

I know they spam from start to finish to stay in shape, but it seems terribly excessive at start.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
October 10 2010 14:06 GMT
#89
On October 10 2010 18:04 zoLo wrote:
Nice videos and lol @ the people complaining about high apm. Why do you people always bring up the hate about pros having high apm?


Because they mad and jelly, why else?

On October 10 2010 22:53 Piy wrote:
They all play Terran haha. It's kind of funny.


Nah its more sad then funny...
I guess they all played all the races and decided terran is the most fun to play or most powerful. Right now both are true...
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OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
October 10 2010 14:08 GMT
#90
who knew that they use steelseries mouse pads and keyboards..
i dunno lol
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
October 10 2010 14:13 GMT
#91
:/ Moon has always played Terran. Even at WC3 tournament in China when played SC:BW games for fun against his translators or others, he was Terran. When SC2 was in alpha stage and was playable at BlizzCon 2007, he played Terran. In beta, before Terran were considered imba, he was Terran.
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ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
October 10 2010 14:13 GMT
#92
Also another thing. It makes me a sad panda to see the official Blizzard GSL event PCs don't run SC2 at all max settings.

They're not even medium. It's almost low setting with terrible shadows.

I know, I know, it's all about performance and FPS for competitive play. But it's just funny that you'd think the creator of the own game would showcase better graphics.
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
October 10 2010 14:16 GMT
#93
On October 10 2010 23:13 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Also another thing. It makes me a sad panda to see the official Blizzard GSL event PCs don't run SC2 at all max settings.

They're not even medium. It's almost low setting with terrible shadows.

I know, I know, it's all about performance and FPS for competitive play. But it's just funny that you'd think the creator of the own game would showcase better graphics.


Not just performance and fps, but also visibility. Less distractions so you can keep track of things better.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 14:28:18
October 10 2010 14:27 GMT
#94
On October 10 2010 23:13 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Also another thing. It makes me a sad panda to see the official Blizzard GSL event PCs don't run SC2 at all max settings.

They're not even medium. It's almost low setting with terrible shadows.

I know, I know, it's all about performance and FPS for competitive play. But it's just funny that you'd think the creator of the own game would showcase better graphics.


They are not showcasing anything, it's not broadcasted or played in front of an audience, just players and some press with a couple over-the-shoulder clips leaking out at best. The casted games in GSL on the other hand are shown in higher settings.
SkyDiDeLY
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
October 10 2010 16:37 GMT
#95
Yeah, I think alot of progamers tend to turn the settings down so they have a clearer view of whats going on.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 16:58:04
October 10 2010 16:57 GMT
#96
On October 10 2010 23:27 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 23:13 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Also another thing. It makes me a sad panda to see the official Blizzard GSL event PCs don't run SC2 at all max settings.

They're not even medium. It's almost low setting with terrible shadows.

I know, I know, it's all about performance and FPS for competitive play. But it's just funny that you'd think the creator of the own game would showcase better graphics.


They are not showcasing anything, it's not broadcasted or played in front of an audience, just players and some press with a couple over-the-shoulder clips leaking out at best. The casted games in GSL on the other hand are shown in higher settings.


Actually GTR said they are playing in high

On September 28 2010 16:10 GTR wrote:
If I recall correctly....

CPU: Intel Core i3-560
GFX: EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (1GB)
RAM: 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws

Monitor: TG-Sambo Brand LCD Monitor

All players are forced to play at default High settings at 1920x1080, I believe.

For reference MLG uses for their PC tournaments;
CPU: Core i5-650 3.20ghz
Memory: 4GB DDR3 1600
GPU: GeForce 9800 GTX+
HDD: 250GB 7200RPM

mslugx
Profile Joined August 2010
United States26 Posts
October 12 2010 16:44 GMT
#97
they spam at the beginning is not because a show off, they are warming up for the action in the battle later.
Keula
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany157 Posts
October 12 2010 16:51 GMT
#98
Both terran what a disappoint
EG fan
Knap4life
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Slovenia333 Posts
October 12 2010 16:51 GMT
#99
i think its safe to say that APM doesnt matter as much as it did in broodwars
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
October 12 2010 16:54 GMT
#100
Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon~

The entire reason I watched WC3 half the time.
R.I.P. 우정호 || Do probes dream of psionic sheep?
Playboy.
Profile Joined September 2010
40 Posts
October 12 2010 17:03 GMT
#101
I thought moon was gonna go Zerg? Why they all going Terran? DAMMIT!!!. But damn they micro so fast good stuff. Prop for the post.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
October 12 2010 17:06 GMT
#102
shame that Moon didn't qualify

but again, if he rolls yet another T like a billion others have, it not that big of a lost
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Quepp42
Profile Joined May 2010
United States96 Posts
October 12 2010 17:16 GMT
#103
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote:
Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.

And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm.

Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.

Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this


If you are unable to regularly move at 300 apm while spamming, how on earth are you even dream of APM like that when you need it. Essentially what they are doing is raising their own personal skill ceiling. True, right now they might not be actually using that APM, but as their multitasking improves, their play will increase to the point where they are actually making use of each of those keystrokes.

To your mouse sensitivity question - at a certain point you don't really need that much higher mouse sensitivity and is actually a disadvantage. If you can handle moving your wrist a few centimeters more at a lower sensitivity, then you will gain much more precision. A prime example of this is intense micro situations, if you're mouse sensitivity is too high you will not be able to easily select individual units. This is probably most important for zerg players due to ling/baneling micro along with minimap inject if they do that.

I used to play with really high sensitivity too and have just had so much more success when I toned it down from the ridiculous amount I had it at before. Give it a shot before you bash it.
All it takes to fly is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 10:45:24
October 21 2010 10:44 GMT
#104
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote:
Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.

And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm.

Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.

Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this


i laughed so fucking hard reading your dumb as shit post. il let you think whatever you want, but know that you'l never be as good as him, hell you'l never be as good as their house cleaner. You want to ask a question? then ask a fucking question, don't lay shit out like a pretentious 14 year old twat who thinks hes "uber" coz he uses 1337sp34k IRL. There's a reason why hes there, and you're not. You're epic mouse micro totally saved you down there in the bronze league eh?

On-topic: its a real shame he didnt roll a different race, his wc3 style kind of made it feel like hed be awesome as zerg, oh well, maybe heel switch eventually.

User was temp banned for this post.
Huh...
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 10:52:30
October 21 2010 10:52 GMT
#105
On October 21 2010 19:44 Minzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote:
Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.

And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm.

Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.

Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this


i laughed so fucking hard reading your dumb as shit post. il let you think whatever you want, but know that you'l never be as good as him, hell you'l never be as good as their house cleaner. You want to ask a question? then ask a fucking question, don't lay shit out like a pretentious 14 year old twat who thinks hes "uber" coz he uses 1337sp34k IRL. There's a reason why hes there, and you're not. You're epic mouse micro totally saved you down there in the bronze league eh?

On-topic: its a real shame he didnt roll a different race, his wc3 style kind of made it feel like hed be awesome as zerg, oh well, maybe heel switch eventually.


u mad?

seriously relax, he never said he's better or anything, he just pointed out something that seemed weird to him

no point to get all butthurt over it

User was warned for this post
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Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
October 21 2010 11:00 GMT
#106
seriously relax, he never said he's better or anything, he just pointed out something that seemed weird to him


Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low.


Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100.


did you even read his post?

you honestly think the WAY he asked the question was the right way? he asked it in the most pretentious and arrogant way possible. asking a question is fine, but have a little respect for these amazing players.
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