Credits: Ethan Ahn (Ahn Yeong-hoon) @ PlayXP
[Vids] Moon and Lyn playing at GSL Qualifiers
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GTR
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Credits: Ethan Ahn (Ahn Yeong-hoon) @ PlayXP | ||
TitleRug
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edit: wow his hands are fast! | ||
GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
I have moon's mousepad! | ||
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gogogadgetflow
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last vid looks like a fun game. he misclicked when placing the fact tho :o | ||
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Ryzu
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On October 10 2010 11:06 Repok wrote: Can anyone see what keyboard lyn is using? Lyn is using a Steelseries 7G | ||
vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:04 bokeevboke wrote: Sadly both are terrans. They should know there are more terran-haters than fans. Well, Lyn plays Orc in WarCraft III, so no big surprise there. Heavy weapons guy: You are terran. Not big surprise. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
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Kantutan
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Highways
Australia6098 Posts
So loud, | ||
Noxie
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Ryzu
United States369 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:14 Highways wrote: Does Lyn play on a mechanical keyboard? So loud, Yeah, the Steelseries 7G is mechanical, with Cherry MX Black switches, linear resistance keys, medium sound level compared to Blue and Brown switches. | ||
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:13 TheAngelofDeath wrote: They're so fast....but moon is a prime example that speed isn't everything. Seeing as he didn't even qualify lol. Really? After watching the vid I was so intimidated, now plain disappointed ;< | ||
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:15 n0xi3 wrote: Weren't these just linked in the interview with Lyn? i linked them in yesterday's livereport thread but GTR is a gloryhog =P seriously though, it's good that they have a new topic, now more people will see them. | ||
nihoh
Australia978 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:28 Ordained wrote: If they are practicing Starcraft 2 wouldnt that put WeMade in a tough situation with KESPA? Or is it because they are WCIII progamers WeMade will be fine. Hopefully KESPA doesnt make them pull the two from tournaments they are fun to watch. Omg stop posting these questions. WC3 gamers don't even have licenses or need them as far as we know as there are 0 Kespa sanctioned WC3 events. WeMadeFox is an umbrella organisation of a lot of games. It would be unreasonable of Kespa to even ask WeMadeFox to request their palyers from other games to not play SC2. | ||
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PokePill
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Edit: AND Lyn uses a steelseries 7g lol, i love how wemade is the team sponsored by Razer and they use steelseries gear ![]() | ||
Cadgers
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:20 NB wrote: sexy, interestingly they are using razer mice razer sponsors WMF | ||
rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
It's a 6GV2 http://steelseries.com/products/keyboards/ | ||
Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
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MusiK
United States302 Posts
Edit: Nvm, they're using standard. xP | ||
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GTR
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
thats impossible for me seriously | ||
TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
you should see Bisu's hands, or his FPview. like a fuckan tornado | ||
ckw
United States1018 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:14 Highways wrote: Does Lyn play on a mechanical keyboard? So loud, I think all pros do | ||
Ryzu
United States369 Posts
It's a 7G. Check the short Backspace key. | ||
Laggy
United States385 Posts
Terran adjutant voice "Self destruct sequence in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.." Moon/Lyn/SCV "Uhh ohh..." Haha I calculate they go through 18 keyboards a month! I really hope I don't sound like that when I play. | ||
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United States1135 Posts
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm. Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low. Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this ![]() | ||
VPC
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote: Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100. And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm. Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low. Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this ![]() it might not be mouse speed, it might be the fact that you play with mouse acceleration, and they don't. (you should really turn off mouse acceleration) there's some good info on TL if you search about why mouse accel is really, really bad. | ||
tackklee
United States270 Posts
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Tevinhead
United Kingdom470 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:28 Calidus wrote: Well if Esports in Korea ever dies they will have a solid chance a being a secretary lol. I bet they could type close to 200 words/min. Let's say the average word length is 5 letters (which it is) but infact I'll even discount you the space bar. So average word length of 4 letters + space bar. Therefore someone typing at 100 WPM has 500 APM right? 200 WPM would require 1000 APM x.x. I don't think anyone has that. | ||
JustPlay
United States211 Posts
In SC2 I average 170-220 apm and it is generally padded by right clicking too many times for any given action. The biggest difficulty in apm isn't key presses. It's coordinating mouse + screen positions + thoughts + game events with those key presses. For example, I can inject 7 hatcheries in under 1 second - it requires no mousing or thought. I doubt I can even place 3 buildings in 1 second and it is significantly less physical actions (if I had 3 workers sitting there and an open field I could, okay, but to place them coherently nope.) If key presses translated to apm then every top gunz player would have 800+apm in sc2 no problem. It just doesn't work that way. | ||
aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
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sudo.era
United States300 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote: Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100. And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm. Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low. Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this ![]() We went from TL members awed by pro APMs to now being whiney ninnies. It's a trend now. You don't want high mouse speed. You want it somewhere near the middle (more or less), as that offers the best precision and speed for RTS games. If you want to see ridiculously low mouse speed, look at FPS pro gamers. Their mouse pads are as big as my desk. | ||
Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote: Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100. And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm. Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low. Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this ![]() Because most people who play that do not spam when the game gets into the later stages they are moving very very slow especially when in late game the amount of apm to do everything you want to do is alot higher then 20. Players spam at the beginning because they can normally maintain a high apm and multi task and its a great way to warm your hands. If you don't spam and later in the game when you need like 150+ apm you will not be able to do it as it is very difficult. I remember reading other explanations of why players spam like in bw in late game you want to have like 200+ apm and players that didn't spam were always slower then the players who did spam in the later stages in terms of micro/macro/etc. Its just a good way to keep yourself at a fast speed as its easier to maintain a speed if your doing it from the beginning rather then start slow and then 10 minutes later try to move super fast. It just doesn't work good that way. I know Day 9 in one of his day 9 daily a long time ago explained that when he did not spam his movements later in the game were way slower then they should have been and when he spammed his apm at the later game was alot faster then if he didn't. Thats why players spam its not as useless as you think trust me. | ||
tackklee
United States270 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:40 JustPlay wrote: APM and key presses per minute don't compare. I type ~148wpm sustained with no errors and it's independent of word size, real words or not. On some online tests I can score significantly higher wpm because of the word structure and how short the tests are. In SC2 I average 170-220 apm and it is generally padded by right clicking too many times for any given action. The biggest difficulty in apm isn't key presses. It's coordinating mouse + screen positions + thoughts + game events with those key presses. For example, I can inject 7 hatcheries in under 1 second - it requires no mousing or thought. I doubt I can even place 3 buildings in 1 second and it is significantly less physical actions (if I had 3 workers sitting there and an open field I could, okay, but to place them coherently nope.) If key presses translated to apm then every top gunz player would have 800+apm in sc2 no problem. It just doesn't work that way. I'm a little confused. I thought key presses counted towards APM? Which is why you can control group in the beginning and spam 1-4 and get well over 400 APM. | ||
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dtz
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Hope they will be able to go very far when they inevitable make the complete switch. | ||
NovemberZerg
United States58 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
maybe next time | ||
Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
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dtz
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if wmf can let its wc3 division to join gsl. why don't they make an sc2 division and recruit the good sc2 players. | ||
WAAA
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Spidinko
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antas
Indonesia300 Posts
On October 10 2010 16:03 syncom wrote: They spam because it's fun and because that keyboard sound is addictive. Seriously, some of you guys are just making problems out of stuff that never was a problem to begin with. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are getting so annoyed by other people's playing style. ![]() So true .. ![]() I found myself that the sound of keyboard is so addictive. Whether playing or just typing in the computer, the sound is really fascinating for me :p Keyboard press + mouse click doesn't always translate to better play obviously, but real action does, some people call it eAPM or effective APM. As an example if you can spam 500 key press + mouse click, but you can only do like 25 real action per minute then you will for sure losing to somebody who only spam 60 key press + mouse, but all of them is real action. APM counter usually count every key strokes and mouse click but not the real (effective) APM. | ||
antas
Indonesia300 Posts
On October 10 2010 16:46 Alpina wrote: How the hell do they spam so much without screwing everything lol. I guess that what makes a difference between gosu and noob like me :p ^^ | ||
Defrag
Poland414 Posts
Yeah, Moon's apm looks amazing, but it no longer matters in sc2 that u click fast - 200 apm is more then enough to do anything u want. | ||
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On October 10 2010 17:05 Defrag wrote: So pointless, this is no longer sc:bw where you need million apm to rally every single worker from each of your bases to minerals. Yeah, Moon's apm looks amazing, but it no longer matters in sc2 that u click fast - 200 apm is more then enough to do anything u want. No, you will always be able to use that APM for better stuff. Instead of using that APM to maintain production, you can use it to harass easier, micro individual units better and so forth. Its an erroneous argument to say that more efficient and higher APM won't help you in SC2 like it would in SC1 because of the streamlined interface; the only difference is now people with high APM/good mechanics can more likely put that APM to better use adn achieve more with it since there is no longer a clunky GUI to fight against. If you have good enough mechanics, APM, multitasking, etc, now you can probably do shit like this while maintain your macro cycles in SC2 amongst other stuff. We're not even through the looking glass yet when it comes to mechanics, all the micro and multitasking so far has been fairly elementary not completely mindblowing. | ||
Celadan
Norway471 Posts
but since hes moving and grubby is and probably everyone else Wc3 is probably dead TT | ||
zoLo
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dellesh1ruH
Denmark509 Posts
Is Lyn using the steelseries keyboard and razer mouse? | ||
Buddhist
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
Most of the W3 pros are using the Diamondback 3G mouse (Moon/Lyn/Grubby). It's been like this for years, not because Razer sponsors WMF. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
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SkyDiDeLY
Netherlands51 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:25 Laggy wrote: dakakakakakakaka took took took dakdakdakdakakakakakakakaka Terran adjutant voice "Self destruct sequence in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.." Moon/Lyn/SCV "Uhh ohh..." Haha I calculate they go through 18 keyboards a month! I really hope I don't sound like that when I play. Nah ![]() | ||
Piy
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ArghUScaredMe
United States712 Posts
I know they spam from start to finish to stay in shape, but it seems terribly excessive at start. | ||
TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On October 10 2010 18:04 zoLo wrote: Nice videos and lol @ the people complaining about high apm. Why do you people always bring up the hate about pros having high apm? Because they mad and jelly, why else? On October 10 2010 22:53 Piy wrote: They all play Terran haha. It's kind of funny. Nah its more sad then funny... I guess they all played all the races and decided terran is the most fun to play or most powerful. Right now both are true... | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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ArghUScaredMe
United States712 Posts
They're not even medium. It's almost low setting with terrible shadows. I know, I know, it's all about performance and FPS for competitive play. But it's just funny that you'd think the creator of the own game would showcase better graphics. | ||
Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On October 10 2010 23:13 ArghUScaredMe wrote: Also another thing. It makes me a sad panda to see the official Blizzard GSL event PCs don't run SC2 at all max settings. They're not even medium. It's almost low setting with terrible shadows. I know, I know, it's all about performance and FPS for competitive play. But it's just funny that you'd think the creator of the own game would showcase better graphics. Not just performance and fps, but also visibility. Less distractions so you can keep track of things better. | ||
Longshank
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On October 10 2010 23:13 ArghUScaredMe wrote: Also another thing. It makes me a sad panda to see the official Blizzard GSL event PCs don't run SC2 at all max settings. They're not even medium. It's almost low setting with terrible shadows. I know, I know, it's all about performance and FPS for competitive play. But it's just funny that you'd think the creator of the own game would showcase better graphics. They are not showcasing anything, it's not broadcasted or played in front of an audience, just players and some press with a couple over-the-shoulder clips leaking out at best. The casted games in GSL on the other hand are shown in higher settings. | ||
SkyDiDeLY
Netherlands51 Posts
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
On October 10 2010 23:27 Longshank wrote: They are not showcasing anything, it's not broadcasted or played in front of an audience, just players and some press with a couple over-the-shoulder clips leaking out at best. The casted games in GSL on the other hand are shown in higher settings. Actually GTR said they are playing in high On September 28 2010 16:10 GTR wrote: If I recall correctly.... CPU: Intel Core i3-560 GFX: EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (1GB) RAM: 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Monitor: TG-Sambo Brand LCD Monitor All players are forced to play at default High settings at 1920x1080, I believe. For reference MLG uses for their PC tournaments; CPU: Core i5-650 3.20ghz Memory: 4GB DDR3 1600 GPU: GeForce 9800 GTX+ HDD: 250GB 7200RPM | ||
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Keula
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Knap4life
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
The entire reason I watched WC3 half the time. | ||
Playboy.
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
but again, if he rolls yet another T like a billion others have, it not that big of a lost ![]() | ||
Quepp42
United States96 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote: Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100. And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm. Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low. Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this ![]() If you are unable to regularly move at 300 apm while spamming, how on earth are you even dream of APM like that when you need it. Essentially what they are doing is raising their own personal skill ceiling. True, right now they might not be actually using that APM, but as their multitasking improves, their play will increase to the point where they are actually making use of each of those keystrokes. To your mouse sensitivity question - at a certain point you don't really need that much higher mouse sensitivity and is actually a disadvantage. If you can handle moving your wrist a few centimeters more at a lower sensitivity, then you will gain much more precision. A prime example of this is intense micro situations, if you're mouse sensitivity is too high you will not be able to easily select individual units. This is probably most important for zerg players due to ling/baneling micro along with minimap inject if they do that. I used to play with really high sensitivity too and have just had so much more success when I toned it down from the ridiculous amount I had it at before. Give it a shot before you bash it. | ||
Minzy
Australia387 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:41 Sqq wrote: Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100. And now I'm not saying it because im a 20 apm noob who sucks at starcraft, I just don't see the point of half of the spam, and im asking a genuine about whats to come with the apm. Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low. Instead of flaming me for not loving their cocks, I'd actually want some serious and informative answers to this ![]() i laughed so fucking hard reading your dumb as shit post. il let you think whatever you want, but know that you'l never be as good as him, hell you'l never be as good as their house cleaner. You want to ask a question? then ask a fucking question, don't lay shit out like a pretentious 14 year old twat who thinks hes "uber" coz he uses 1337sp34k IRL. There's a reason why hes there, and you're not. You're epic mouse micro totally saved you down there in the bronze league eh? On-topic: its a real shame he didnt roll a different race, his wc3 style kind of made it feel like hed be awesome as zerg, oh well, maybe heel switch eventually. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On October 21 2010 19:44 Minzy wrote: i laughed so fucking hard reading your dumb as shit post. il let you think whatever you want, but know that you'l never be as good as him, hell you'l never be as good as their house cleaner. You want to ask a question? then ask a fucking question, don't lay shit out like a pretentious 14 year old twat who thinks hes "uber" coz he uses 1337sp34k IRL. There's a reason why hes there, and you're not. You're epic mouse micro totally saved you down there in the bronze league eh? On-topic: its a real shame he didnt roll a different race, his wc3 style kind of made it feel like hed be awesome as zerg, oh well, maybe heel switch eventually. u mad? seriously relax, he never said he's better or anything, he just pointed out something that seemed weird to him no point to get all butthurt over it User was warned for this post | ||
Minzy
Australia387 Posts
seriously relax, he never said he's better or anything, he just pointed out something that seemed weird to him Also, Do they all play with this ridiculously low mouse speed ? I have mine super high so i can react quicker within my screen. My mouse speed is what has saved me a few times due to the fact I can press and micro so much quicker. This mouse speed is super super low. Sorry but what the fuck. I kind of understand the whole "to keep your apm high during the game you need to spam your apm in the beginning to keep yourself sharp", but this is pointless. Even in the last one where he is under attack at two bases he could have done most of it with >100. Is this just a pre-cursor to the apm to come ? To actually use that 200+-300+ apm 100% ? most of it could easily be done with >100. did you even read his post? you honestly think the WAY he asked the question was the right way? he asked it in the most pretentious and arrogant way possible. asking a question is fine, but have a little respect for these amazing players. | ||
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