On October 01 2010 12:48 Luddite wrote: Am I the only one who wasn't so impressed by Boxer's play? He was effectively out of the game after the first battle. He did some cute dropship harass, but Idra's economy was so much stronger that it didn't really matter, and Boxer just ended up losing a lot of MMM without killing any of Idras army. The game should have ended a lot sooner, except that Idra want to play very safe and Boxer just refused to gg.
You know what I really think about it? He shows incredible skill and micro, but what I feel was that he just wasn't trying. Dodging the fungal with his entire marine force? Double prong assaults, even triple? The foresight to drop tanks on the ledge, to engage IdrA's expansions at the perfect time, and he is thwarted by creep?
My personal belief is that he played it for fun after a certain point in the game. I think the ending justifies my belief.
Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime.
He showed very GOOD skills in the game. That's why I believe he wasn't trying. Let me rephrase - he was enjoying himself, that is my belief.
On October 01 2010 13:51 Comprissent wrote: MIND=BLOWN
this is so exciting, i love how he said "good" when he found it was the real idra lol. Odd they ran into eachother on ladder, Boxer is already highly ranked and we didnt know about it?
On October 01 2010 13:53 whetherby wrote: Idra is a macro player, not a micro player. WHich is why he doesn't like cheese etc, because it requires a lot of micro. Idra likes to makes those big armies and charge. Doesn't like many pronged attacks, nydus, etc. So we can't expect him to play better. he will keep going for the map control, and getting money as opposed to trying to clean up the enemy. he'll wait till the enemy runs out of steam. which is why he isn't the most interesting player to watch and which is why some of us love to complain about his strategies.
Idra plays macro style simply because he believes it's more beneficial to learn to play a management game really well.. he can easily pull off any micro-intensive strat, he's got some phenomenal micro.
On October 01 2010 12:48 Luddite wrote: Am I the only one who wasn't so impressed by Boxer's play? He was effectively out of the game after the first battle. He did some cute dropship harass, but Idra's economy was so much stronger that it didn't really matter, and Boxer just ended up losing a lot of MMM without killing any of Idras army. The game should have ended a lot sooner, except that Idra want to play very safe and Boxer just refused to gg.
You know what I really think about it? He shows incredible skill and micro, but what I feel was that he just wasn't trying. Dodging the fungal with his entire marine force? Double prong assaults, even triple? The foresight to drop tanks on the ledge, to engage IdrA's expansions at the perfect time, and he is thwarted by creep?
My personal belief is that he played it for fun after a certain point in the game. I think the ending justifies my belief.
Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime.
He showed very GOOD skills in the game. That's why I believe he wasn't trying. Let me rephrase - he was enjoying himself, that is my belief.
Well you are wrong lol
BoxeR is pretty good but hes not unbeatable at SC2, and IdrA is probably better than him right now (hard for me to judge as someone who has only seen boxers TvT before).
On October 01 2010 13:53 whetherby wrote: Idra is a macro player, not a micro player. WHich is why he doesn't like cheese etc, because it requires a lot of micro. Idra likes to makes those big armies and charge. Doesn't like many pronged attacks, nydus, etc. So we can't expect him to play better. he will keep going for the map control, and getting money as opposed to trying to clean up the enemy. he'll wait till the enemy runs out of steam. which is why he isn't the most interesting player to watch and which is why some of us love to complain about his strategies.
Idra plays macro style simply because he believes it's more beneficial to learn to play a management game really well.. he can easily pull off any micro-intensive strat, he's got some phenomenal micro.
IdrA plays macro games because he plays zerg. There is very little that can be done with intensive micro in zerg gameplay simply because almost all of their units are melee or short ranged and all of their long ranged units are absurdly slow. Cliff abuse is also effectively non existent. Thus, zerg 'micro' is primarily about engagement mechanics rather than instances of individual unit micromanagement. The only possible exceptions to this are mutalisks and corruptors, and mutalisks are much more difficult to make effective in SC2 because T1 ranged units like the marine have more hit points and do not require a range upgrade, stalkers are not as clunky, have blink, and are relatively fast, and finally because there are generally more effective AA options in SC2 if you aren't playing zerg.
On October 01 2010 12:48 Luddite wrote: Am I the only one who wasn't so impressed by Boxer's play? He was effectively out of the game after the first battle. He did some cute dropship harass, but Idra's economy was so much stronger that it didn't really matter, and Boxer just ended up losing a lot of MMM without killing any of Idras army. The game should have ended a lot sooner, except that Idra want to play very safe and Boxer just refused to gg.
You know what I really think about it? He shows incredible skill and micro, but what I feel was that he just wasn't trying. Dodging the fungal with his entire marine force? Double prong assaults, even triple? The foresight to drop tanks on the ledge, to engage IdrA's expansions at the perfect time, and he is thwarted by creep?
My personal belief is that he played it for fun after a certain point in the game. I think the ending justifies my belief.
Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime.
He showed very GOOD skills in the game. That's why I believe he wasn't trying. Let me rephrase - he was enjoying himself, that is my belief.
Well you are wrong lol
BoxeR is pretty good but hes not unbeatable at SC2, and IdrA is probably better than him right now (hard for me to judge as someone who has only seen boxers TvT before).
I would tend to agree. He obviously has the same skills he had in BW and a lot of them transfer over, but at this time he just hasn't played as much as Idra and hasn't had near the practice (from what we can tell).
He's a good player. He's a very very good player. But right now, Idra is likely flat out better at SC2.
Sorry if it's been posted before, just came across it searching for more Boxer replays. Can't wait to see this level of micro on SC2. :D He isn't the greatest, but he's got some skill. Thanks for the replay Artosis!
TLO-NaDA and IdrA-Boxer kinda show that at the moment foreigners are pretty much at the same level in SC2 as the Korean BW legends. Also, we've seen quite a few of the Korean top players getting eliminated too early from GSL1, so with only a few foreigners mixed in, their results were as good as the average top Korean player.
Nice game. Not an epic comeback or anything but some great play on both sides (boxer doing great drop harass and the drop+siege tanks was nice).
Idra's creep usage is something all Zergs can learn from, though boxer didn't get a raven (which would have put a stop to the creeping). I myself never realized how hard it is for Terran to take a third on a small map if creep is spread fast.
On October 01 2010 12:48 Luddite wrote: Am I the only one who wasn't so impressed by Boxer's play? He was effectively out of the game after the first battle. He did some cute dropship harass, but Idra's economy was so much stronger that it didn't really matter, and Boxer just ended up losing a lot of MMM without killing any of Idras army. The game should have ended a lot sooner, except that Idra want to play very safe and Boxer just refused to gg.
You know what I really think about it? He shows incredible skill and micro, but what I feel was that he just wasn't trying. Dodging the fungal with his entire marine force? Double prong assaults, even triple? The foresight to drop tanks on the ledge, to engage IdrA's expansions at the perfect time, and he is thwarted by creep?
My personal belief is that he played it for fun after a certain point in the game. I think the ending justifies my belief.
Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime.
He showed very GOOD skills in the game. That's why I believe he wasn't trying. Let me rephrase - he was enjoying himself, that is my belief.
Well you are wrong lol
BoxeR is pretty good but hes not unbeatable at SC2, and IdrA is probably better than him right now (hard for me to judge as someone who has only seen boxers TvT before).
no dude he is boxer so clearly he is unbeatable no matter what game he is playing
On October 01 2010 14:23 figq wrote: TLO-NaDA and IdrA-Boxer kinda show that at the moment foreigners are pretty much at the same level in SC2 as the Korean BW legends. Also, we've seen quite a few of the Korean top players getting eliminated too early from GSL1, so with only a few foreigners mixed in, their results were as good as the average top Korean player.
It wasn't uncommon for Boxer to lose to best foreigner players in couple last years in BW, either. Nada/Julyzerg were different/better, but still quite behind the usual pros(depends on matchup I guess, July's zvp always was hardcore). If Upmagic or someone of his caliber switched, it'd be pure domination. GSL final still has two ex-pros on top. Foreigners still have quite a good chance in GSL 2, but with every such switch, competetion gets higher.
EPT
tyvm !
