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On September 29 2010 22:01 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 21:56 Weavel wrote:
Comon morrow post replaypack already! yesterdays games  some terran games all replays didnt get included in here so sry bout that [url blocked] (dont expect good games at all lol) Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 21:59 Queldur wrote:
Why morrow build a 16 Hatch and no pool in ZvZ ?
+ What the fuck all his game in Zerg take less than 10minutes cause i have to learn the mu from scratch? like day9 days, the best losses r to get completely demolished and say "well obviously i need earlier pool!". this is my method aswell :D
Quoting this in case people missed it. I'll link this over at GFaqs as well.
I look forward to watching these, so, thanks MorroW! I hope I see some decent play, and learn something too. :D
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On September 29 2010 23:54 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 23:38 dcberkeley wrote:
I don't get it, if SC2 is so easy, why not stick with Terran go to Korea and cash in on that 85,000 cheque? Why bother switching to Zerg to find out if it's easy? Why not dedicate more than 0-2 hours to the game and actually have a career if you're so confident you can be at the top.
On the other hand, people can play whatever race they want to for whatever reason. It's like playing a certain race means a big deal. If Zerg ever becomes imba are all Zergs going to stay noble and switch to other races to stick it to the man? Nah, you'll stick with that race because it's what you know and everyone likes to win. 1) All people don't play games just to win money. 2) Not everyone wants to have a full time career playing a game. 3) He's said he's a student, so presumably he have other interests as well and probably haven't got time to practice much more than he is currently doing (if he actually wants to graduate)
That's not my point though. He's saying that Terran is too easy. That means that he has mastered Terran and that's simply not true. How can Terran be easy yet has not mastered it? It seems contradictory to me. He wants to find out if the game is too easy for there to be a future which implies he knows where the skill cap is. Yet, I find it hard to believe he has reached that skill cap is what I am trying to say.
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On September 30 2010 02:28 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 22:01 MorroW wrote:On September 29 2010 21:56 Weavel wrote:
Comon morrow post replaypack already! yesterdays games some terran games all replays didnt get included in here so sry bout that [url blocked] (dont expect good games at all lol) On September 29 2010 21:59 Queldur wrote:
Why morrow build a 16 Hatch and no pool in ZvZ ?
+ What the fuck all his game in Zerg take less than 10minutes cause i have to learn the mu from scratch? like day9 days, the best losses r to get completely demolished and say "well obviously i need earlier pool!". this is my method aswell :D Quoting this in case people missed it. I'll link this over at GFaqs as well. I look forward to watching these, so, thanks MorroW! I hope I see some decent play, and learn something too. :D
From what I've seen, it's mostly morrow making nothing but drones and GGing to 2 hellions =P
On September 30 2010 02:31 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 23:54 nam nam wrote:On September 29 2010 23:38 dcberkeley wrote:
I don't get it, if SC2 is so easy, why not stick with Terran go to Korea and cash in on that 85,000 cheque? Why bother switching to Zerg to find out if it's easy? Why not dedicate more than 0-2 hours to the game and actually have a career if you're so confident you can be at the top.
On the other hand, people can play whatever race they want to for whatever reason. It's like playing a certain race means a big deal. If Zerg ever becomes imba are all Zergs going to stay noble and switch to other races to stick it to the man? Nah, you'll stick with that race because it's what you know and everyone likes to win. 1) All people don't play games just to win money. 2) Not everyone wants to have a full time career playing a game. 3) He's said he's a student, so presumably he have other interests as well and probably haven't got time to practice much more than he is currently doing (if he actually wants to graduate) That's not my point though. He's saying that Terran is too easy. That means that he has mastered Terran and that's simply not true. How can Terran be easy yet has not mastered it? It seems contradictory to me. He wants to find out if the game is too easy for there to be a future which implies he knows where the skill cap is. Yet, I find it hard to believe he has reached that skill cap is what I am trying to say.
He's saying that he can stay at top with 2 hours of practice a day, which he finds boring. Maybe he thinks that T is so easy that he doesn't bother trying to master it when he can just win by doing whatever he is doing now? Maybe T just doesn't interest him. . etc. Who knows.
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oh morrow you awesome and naughty boy :D didn't expect you to do that so early. i'm glad though.
edit: this is a good 100th post btw.
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On September 30 2010 01:44 archaik wrote:
This thread yet again show what a joke this site is, and it's moderators. Lots of player poring hate on MorroW, and the moderators think it's fine. Make one bad comment towards Idra, Artosis, x popular player and you have a ban/warning on your ass. And Idras comments in this thread should warrent him several warnings, maybe a ban, but we all know that wont happen. Hypocrisy at it's best TL!
And much respect to MorroW btw. I don't think any other pro player would even consider something like this. He's only 18 but he's got far bigger balls then most 20+ pro players, including Idra.
MorroW fightning!
This is just true. I mean I love this forum, I love the good discussions and I especially love the Strategy subforum. But every thread which is about the current race discussion ends up being an Idra-fanboy vs. Idra-hater battle... And the fanboys are the much more annoying ones because they just state that Idra shouldn't lose anything if he would play the right race because he is the best player. Without doubt.
I like Morrows attitude, he makes some logical points, and many people said that they would like to see a top terran play zerg. Well that's your chance, I don't get why everyone is hating Morrow for that. He is basically sacrificing his good ladder ranking and his credibility for testing this out (and for having more fun obviously) and some people are hating and nerdraging him for that, which is just irrational behaviour.
But I think the Idra-groupies just are a little bit irrational from time to time
Which doesn't say anything about Idra, I like to see him play and I think he is a really smart guy with some manner problems, but he's always honest.
I hope Morrow stays at Zerg and doesn't switch back. It's just really cool, I'll be your fan 100%!
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Because MorroW plays a little zerg, I'm going from Zerg to Terran for a little bit. Just played 3 games and still sucked.
I think MorroW should do w/e he wants, I dunno what the big fuss is about :\
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On September 30 2010 02:32 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 02:28 VashTS wrote:On September 29 2010 22:01 MorroW wrote:On September 29 2010 21:56 Weavel wrote:
Comon morrow post replaypack already! yesterdays games some terran games all replays didnt get included in here so sry bout that [url blocked] (dont expect good games at all lol) On September 29 2010 21:59 Queldur wrote:
Why morrow build a 16 Hatch and no pool in ZvZ ?
+ What the fuck all his game in Zerg take less than 10minutes cause i have to learn the mu from scratch? like day9 days, the best losses r to get completely demolished and say "well obviously i need earlier pool!". this is my method aswell :D Quoting this in case people missed it. I'll link this over at GFaqs as well. I look forward to watching these, so, thanks MorroW! I hope I see some decent play, and learn something too. :D From what I've seen, it's mostly morrow making nothing but drones and GGing to 2 hellions =P
Haha, really? ;o Regardless, I still wanna check it out. I think many others will as well. However..
I find myself in an interesting position, not that it is likely to matter to most people. I feel the same way as MorroW, when it comes to playing Terran vs whatever else. I main Random, so I get to dabble in every race a good bit. However, I find I win almost all of the games I play as Terran, and fewer games as Protoss, and even less as Zerg. I almost want to stop playing Random and go straight to Zerg, because Terran seems easier to play and to get out of more situations, whereas with Zerg, everything seems a little bit harder to manage and escape certain situations.
Like I said, not that it probably matters to most. I got up to Gold, and stopped 'Laddering' for a while... Gold League seems like it SHOULD be a decent place to learn how to play, for somebody of my skill level.
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What playing Terran feels like:   
What playing Zerg feels like: 
I give him < 2 weeks before he gives up and switches back to T.
Hope I'm wrong tho, best of luck to you MorroW! 
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it is really interesting to see that morrow switched to zerg because he wanted a higher skill ceiling, which i'm all for.
but that leads me to wonder. morrow, what do you think needs to happen to terran to raise the skill ceiling? do units need nerfs, do mules need a cooldown, should better maps be introduced into the pool, or is it something nobody has suggested yet? i feel like if you, one of the best (if not the best) terrans in sc2 told blizzard exactly what you think needs to happen with the race, it could really do some good.
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On September 30 2010 02:31 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 23:54 nam nam wrote:On September 29 2010 23:38 dcberkeley wrote:
I don't get it, if SC2 is so easy, why not stick with Terran go to Korea and cash in on that 85,000 cheque? Why bother switching to Zerg to find out if it's easy? Why not dedicate more than 0-2 hours to the game and actually have a career if you're so confident you can be at the top.
On the other hand, people can play whatever race they want to for whatever reason. It's like playing a certain race means a big deal. If Zerg ever becomes imba are all Zergs going to stay noble and switch to other races to stick it to the man? Nah, you'll stick with that race because it's what you know and everyone likes to win. 1) All people don't play games just to win money. 2) Not everyone wants to have a full time career playing a game. 3) He's said he's a student, so presumably he have other interests as well and probably haven't got time to practice much more than he is currently doing (if he actually wants to graduate) That's not my point though. He's saying that Terran is too easy. That means that he has mastered Terran and that's simply not true. How can Terran be easy yet has not mastered it? It seems contradictory to me. He wants to find out if the game is too easy for there to be a future which implies he knows where the skill cap is. Yet, I find it hard to believe he has reached that skill cap is what I am trying to say. pretty sure his competition is just not challenging enough
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On September 30 2010 02:50 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 02:31 dcberkeley wrote:On September 29 2010 23:54 nam nam wrote:On September 29 2010 23:38 dcberkeley wrote:
I don't get it, if SC2 is so easy, why not stick with Terran go to Korea and cash in on that 85,000 cheque? Why bother switching to Zerg to find out if it's easy? Why not dedicate more than 0-2 hours to the game and actually have a career if you're so confident you can be at the top.
On the other hand, people can play whatever race they want to for whatever reason. It's like playing a certain race means a big deal. If Zerg ever becomes imba are all Zergs going to stay noble and switch to other races to stick it to the man? Nah, you'll stick with that race because it's what you know and everyone likes to win. 1) All people don't play games just to win money. 2) Not everyone wants to have a full time career playing a game. 3) He's said he's a student, so presumably he have other interests as well and probably haven't got time to practice much more than he is currently doing (if he actually wants to graduate) That's not my point though. He's saying that Terran is too easy. That means that he has mastered Terran and that's simply not true. How can Terran be easy yet has not mastered it? It seems contradictory to me. He wants to find out if the game is too easy for there to be a future which implies he knows where the skill cap is. Yet, I find it hard to believe he has reached that skill cap is what I am trying to say. pretty sure his competition is just not challenging enough
And he's a TvT specialist and hm
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On September 30 2010 02:31 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 23:54 nam nam wrote:On September 29 2010 23:38 dcberkeley wrote:
I don't get it, if SC2 is so easy, why not stick with Terran go to Korea and cash in on that 85,000 cheque? Why bother switching to Zerg to find out if it's easy? Why not dedicate more than 0-2 hours to the game and actually have a career if you're so confident you can be at the top.
On the other hand, people can play whatever race they want to for whatever reason. It's like playing a certain race means a big deal. If Zerg ever becomes imba are all Zergs going to stay noble and switch to other races to stick it to the man? Nah, you'll stick with that race because it's what you know and everyone likes to win. 1) All people don't play games just to win money. 2) Not everyone wants to have a full time career playing a game. 3) He's said he's a student, so presumably he have other interests as well and probably haven't got time to practice much more than he is currently doing (if he actually wants to graduate) That's not my point though. He's saying that Terran is too easy. That means that he has mastered Terran and that's simply not true. How can Terran be easy yet has not mastered it? It seems contradictory to me. He wants to find out if the game is too easy for there to be a future which implies he knows where the skill cap is. Yet, I find it hard to believe he has reached that skill cap is what I am trying to say.
It is possible to have not quite reached the skill ceiling but generally have a good idea of where that ceiling is. Maybe he looks at his replays and says, yea I could have Muled 5 seconds earlier here, and built a couple tanks here instead of hellions, etc. etc. but just by watching his replays and assessing the kinds of things he could improve on, he can get a sense of how far the skill ceiling goes.
It is certainly feasible for it to be impossible to reach a skill ceiling 100% but hover around say 95% and still have a reasonable idea of how high the ceiling goes and that you are close to the top.
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I was wondering, can someone play random in the gsl? it would be very confusing for opponent and damaging economically dont knowing if u have to wall of or not and stuff or having to do a incredibly early scout =x
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On September 30 2010 02:57 noD wrote:
I was wondering, can someone play random in the gsl? it would be very confusing for opponent and damaging economically dont knowing if u have to wall of or not and stuff or having to do a incredibly early scout =x
No, they don't allow it =(
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On September 30 2010 02:57 noD wrote:
I was wondering, can someone play random in the gsl? it would be very confusing for opponent and damaging economically dont knowing if u have to wall of or not and stuff or having to do a incredibly early scout =x
this is like, the most off-topic thing I've read on this thread o_o
btw just watched the replay where Morrow won ^^
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On September 29 2010 20:59 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.
Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.
roflwhat he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class. just because sc1 progamer skill level of bar is x100000 higher than anything else in this world at anything doesnt mean sc1 top gamers outside korea shouldnt tap themselves on the shoulders for accomplishing that. i dont wanna bring up old tsl but there were way more top foreigners dodging me than me dodging them, but obviously that never reached out to the public. if u remove korea from sc1 it was still according to me and this is my opinion was just as competitive as the other top games were. its understandable that u see everything as being special class after living in korea playing with those sc1 progamers but in reality ur just skyrocket above and we sc1 foreigners were on the normal class Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:17 Seam wrote:On September 29 2010 17:12 kojinshugi wrote:On September 29 2010 16:55 Sqq wrote:
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is. Even if he did say that, let's analyze what it is and why you're talking out of your ass: Spending several hours practicing microing a single unit the day before vs Spending 12 hours a day practicing his entire raceIt's like you're comparing bacon to the Olympics. Actually, I believe his actual quote was 2 hours. Gonna look it up, however. i practiced it a few hours before dimaga game and then about 10 hours before the idra finals which was during the party and very early in the morning. and that straight up for 1 special build is actually alot since i didnt really have to learn anything else about my race because i already knew it, just had to practice that special opening. if u think this is short time for 1 opening then ur on my side thinking sc2 is too easy of a game aswell Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:34 IdrA wrote:On September 29 2010 17:30 ilbh wrote:On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.
Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.
roflwhat he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class. almost everyone cheated dodging koreans. anyway, he is one of the best foreigners in SC2 and you can't deny that. he is switching from T to Zerg, you should support him lol oh i absolutely support it since it'll prove what a joke the game is right now without risking the reputation of one of the 5 remaining competitive zergs. but people mentioning him in the same breath as me nony and ret for sc1 cannot happen, especially on the basis of that ladder. idra u shouldnt even be compared to ret or nony since u were clearly above them aswell, just cause nony won u in whatever doesnt mean alot. but its hilariously how u can group up with them in here just to disclude me from it while we both know and think u were above all foreigners by a significant margin. this just goes to show how hard u really wanna put me down like u always have ever since i entered the scene Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:48 ilbh wrote:
we have to admit it is kind of retarded to switch to another race when you are at the top.
he would need a month to be good as zerg and even then he can't be sure if he would be also at the top as zerg.
so, I don't think he will keep playing as zerg. he was probably just checking/testing the race. on my way home today from school i just felt it inside me, the spirit to just get home and practice all the damn day. i felt that spark every day playing sc1 and some periods of sc2, then ive just dropped it more and more lately with terran, why? because i dont see much room to improve in my race and i dont have many questions that practicing can answer. when i go home today i have so much to learn with zerg and i realize already how hard it will be, and thats what thrills me to practice. playing 2 hours a day with terran kept me on the top but i dont wanna win without deserving it. i wasnt super happy to win iem because i knew i wouldnt have won it if it was a fair game, i get so happy to lose and learn while winning over and over without learning anything isnt so motivating to practice. thats just who i am and thats why im eager to switch race because im pretty sure blizzard wont make the game any more difficult to play Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 19:40 oZii wrote:
Agreed that this is a bit out of hand. I'm all for loving your Race but people in here are acting like its the Civil War its not that serious folks. I mean idrA played terran in SC1 and switched to Zerg and he is great player and all zergs swear by his word but really seriously in the end anyone can play whatever they want. To much elitism in here from people that aren't even close to the same level as idrA or morrow. Acting like they are protecting thier precious zerg. TT1 plays Toss most of the time but on his stream he will play Zerg and is pretty good at it. No one is bashing him. Its like Morrow is the Anti-Christ in this thread. Let him get the timings down and larvae management down. I'm sure he will do fine. Remember he pretty much does this for a living. Many people here posting are probably at work flaming him and right now Morrow is probably at home practicing non-stop putting in hours in that most people in this thread just can't do. That alone should tell you that if he does "suck" it won't be for long. actually i go to school like most normal in sweden ppl expect me to be this massgamer but what ive said already in this thread is that 0-2 hours every day has been enough practice to keep me on top of the scene ever since release, which is absolutely ridiculous display of how little esport sc2 actually is. ive spend about 10 times more time playing events such as tournament or clanwars than practicing and it didnt bring me down. and this is what unmotivates me to practice with the terran race so with that way of thought i can arguably say that trying to squeeze in 3-6 hours of practice each day with zerg should compensate for the difficulty of switching race, zerg race in general and the imbalance. ofcourse it will take a while to adapt so i dont see why anyone would use my loss streak as an argument in any decision right now
After reading all your post I've become even a bigger fan of you. Don't listen to stupid haters you do whatever you feel like. I would like it more if you switched to protoss but I think zerg is a bigger challenge : ).
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I like morrow is trying out zerg, and the way he is providing feedback in this thread. I'm a great fan of idra, i would like to see a him reply once again because MorroW sounds sincere and he took the time to comment on idra's posts as well
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