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Yeld
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria106 Posts
September 29 2010 19:07 GMT
#641
Heads up to Morrow showing some self respect!
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
September 29 2010 19:08 GMT
#642
On September 30 2010 03:59 Adeny wrote:
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On September 30 2010 03:53 theqat wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:35 theqat wrote:
lol, good to see idra still can't stand that morrow is successful and good. accusing him of cheating is really a low blow. if you didn't do something outside the rules you didn't cheat. have some dignity, man


well, morrow did cheese his way up the ladder in TSL2 by doing the same strategy over and over again... I know in TvZ it was walloff + bunker his opponent on heart break ridge, not sure what the follow up was. morrow was clearly not a top player in bw, which showed when he was eliminated in the first round (I think?) of the TSL post-qualification tournament. But he's definitely a top SC2 player as evidenced by his tournament/event dominance, so at this point IdrA needs to stop talking shit.

yeah I remember his strats too, but cheesing isn't cheating at all in any way. TL bans cheaters, including a lot of them in tsl2. morrow didn't get banned. accusing him of cheating is unsubstantiated bs that idra gets away with on the strength of his own name.


Yeah how about the fact that he got free wins off of D-level players? I would consider that cheating but TL didn't I guess. And yes I realize that he only get a few couple of points off of them to tip him over to A, but I still think it's pretty bad.
it's either within the rules or it's not. that's how rules work. if not outside the rules, it wasn't cheating. plenty of others did the same and haven't won 12 sc2 tournaments
HypoTL
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 19:09:51
September 29 2010 19:09 GMT
#643
Respect to MorroW for this. And shame on Idra for promoting hate here on TL, to bad TL moderators are members of the Idra fanclub...
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
September 29 2010 19:11 GMT
#644
On September 30 2010 04:08 theqat wrote:
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On September 30 2010 03:59 Adeny wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:53 theqat wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:35 theqat wrote:
lol, good to see idra still can't stand that morrow is successful and good. accusing him of cheating is really a low blow. if you didn't do something outside the rules you didn't cheat. have some dignity, man


well, morrow did cheese his way up the ladder in TSL2 by doing the same strategy over and over again... I know in TvZ it was walloff + bunker his opponent on heart break ridge, not sure what the follow up was. morrow was clearly not a top player in bw, which showed when he was eliminated in the first round (I think?) of the TSL post-qualification tournament. But he's definitely a top SC2 player as evidenced by his tournament/event dominance, so at this point IdrA needs to stop talking shit.

yeah I remember his strats too, but cheesing isn't cheating at all in any way. TL bans cheaters, including a lot of them in tsl2. morrow didn't get banned. accusing him of cheating is unsubstantiated bs that idra gets away with on the strength of his own name.


Yeah how about the fact that he got free wins off of D-level players? I would consider that cheating but TL didn't I guess. And yes I realize that he only get a few couple of points off of them to tip him over to A, but I still think it's pretty bad.
it's either within the rules or it's not. that's how rules work. if not outside the rules, it wasn't cheating. plenty of others did the same and haven't won 12 sc2 tournaments


What if he got every single win off of D-level players? Hell, what if I got every single win off of D-level players and qualified for the TSL?
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 19:16:38
September 29 2010 19:14 GMT
#645
Hang in there brother. At least you are improving.

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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
September 29 2010 19:20 GMT
#646
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theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
September 29 2010 19:20 GMT
#647
On September 30 2010 04:11 Adeny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 04:08 theqat wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:59 Adeny wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:53 theqat wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:35 theqat wrote:
lol, good to see idra still can't stand that morrow is successful and good. accusing him of cheating is really a low blow. if you didn't do something outside the rules you didn't cheat. have some dignity, man


well, morrow did cheese his way up the ladder in TSL2 by doing the same strategy over and over again... I know in TvZ it was walloff + bunker his opponent on heart break ridge, not sure what the follow up was. morrow was clearly not a top player in bw, which showed when he was eliminated in the first round (I think?) of the TSL post-qualification tournament. But he's definitely a top SC2 player as evidenced by his tournament/event dominance, so at this point IdrA needs to stop talking shit.

yeah I remember his strats too, but cheesing isn't cheating at all in any way. TL bans cheaters, including a lot of them in tsl2. morrow didn't get banned. accusing him of cheating is unsubstantiated bs that idra gets away with on the strength of his own name.


Yeah how about the fact that he got free wins off of D-level players? I would consider that cheating but TL didn't I guess. And yes I realize that he only get a few couple of points off of them to tip him over to A, but I still think it's pretty bad.
it's either within the rules or it's not. that's how rules work. if not outside the rules, it wasn't cheating. plenty of others did the same and haven't won 12 sc2 tournaments


What if he got every single win off of D-level players? Hell, what if I got every single win off of D-level players and qualified for the TSL?

that would have been virtually impossible given how few points you'd eventually get, but if you somehow managed it without going outside the rules, then fine. you'd probably lose 3-0 off the bat anyway. don't know what point you were trying to make here.

anyway the point of all this pre-derail is that morrow is pretty legit in sc2 and can do fine with zerg with enough practice. haters gonna hate!
Prixm
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden145 Posts
September 29 2010 19:20 GMT
#648
Awesome stuff Morrow, I love that you switched to Zerg. I hope you will be there forever and be just as good as any Zerg out there or better. I bet if you play alot you could do really well, IdrA wouldnt stand a chance against you if he played you when your a full grown Zerg player, you have the mind of creativness, IdrA dosent. Just go pwn stuff and win more and you'll be kicking ass in no time.

Have fun and go go!
BlindPhaydo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States33 Posts
September 29 2010 19:22 GMT
#649
Reading Morrow's replies in this thread has made me a much bigger fan of his. He seems like a very smart guy and I like that he calmly responds to bad manner, rather than letting it upset him.

GL with the Zerg experiment, Morrow.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 29 2010 19:22 GMT
#650
On September 30 2010 04:11 Adeny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 04:08 theqat wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:59 Adeny wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:53 theqat wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On September 30 2010 03:35 theqat wrote:
lol, good to see idra still can't stand that morrow is successful and good. accusing him of cheating is really a low blow. if you didn't do something outside the rules you didn't cheat. have some dignity, man


well, morrow did cheese his way up the ladder in TSL2 by doing the same strategy over and over again... I know in TvZ it was walloff + bunker his opponent on heart break ridge, not sure what the follow up was. morrow was clearly not a top player in bw, which showed when he was eliminated in the first round (I think?) of the TSL post-qualification tournament. But he's definitely a top SC2 player as evidenced by his tournament/event dominance, so at this point IdrA needs to stop talking shit.

yeah I remember his strats too, but cheesing isn't cheating at all in any way. TL bans cheaters, including a lot of them in tsl2. morrow didn't get banned. accusing him of cheating is unsubstantiated bs that idra gets away with on the strength of his own name.


Yeah how about the fact that he got free wins off of D-level players? I would consider that cheating but TL didn't I guess. And yes I realize that he only get a few couple of points off of them to tip him over to A, but I still think it's pretty bad.
it's either within the rules or it's not. that's how rules work. if not outside the rules, it wasn't cheating. plenty of others did the same and haven't won 12 sc2 tournaments


What if he got every single win off of D-level players? Hell, what if I got every single win off of D-level players and qualified for the TSL?

Well you'd need to win like 60 games a day, maybe it's possible...
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Hypatio
Profile Joined September 2010
549 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 19:34:49
September 29 2010 19:30 GMT
#651
Looks like Morrow is down to 1570. About a 600 point drop. Waiting for the rebound.
johlar
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden165 Posts
September 29 2010 19:41 GMT
#652
When zergplayers learn how to play like Fruitdealer aka Cool, we will still have all this crying but it will be terrantears(Those who havent seen his SMASHING of terrans at GSL definately should).

And to those who dont seem to realise, MorroW has played other games than the 5-rax crap vs idra at IEM

Will be very intresting watching your reppack morrow

lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
September 29 2010 19:42 GMT
#653
On September 30 2010 00:33 KissBlade wrote:
Let me get this straight, Idra delivers some facts in this thread and people bashes him because he just has an ego blah blah blah etc. Yet Morrow seems to just straight up brags and people give him respect for it? That is such nonsense.

Surprise surprise, Europeans love Morrow because of rose colored lenses.

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On September 29 2010 15:23 mierin wrote:
On September 29 2010 14:45 hdkhang wrote:
On September 29 2010 14:30 Eleclight wrote:
Mad props to MorroW for going this far, especially on his main account. Most people seem to ignore the fact that MorroW just jumped into ladder as Zerg without much practice or reading up. His loss streaks mean nothing at this point.


Agreed.

People on these forums need to turn the hate dials down a notch. MorroW is one of the good guys. He is entitled to his opinions as well as his confidence in his abilities. Even if you don't agree with what he says, there is no need for trash.


No, he really isn't. He's one of the "good guys" who taunt zerg with saying "oh, if I played your race I'd win any tournament". But of course, he can't.



ENOUGH SAID

But yeah there's no nationalism bias at all in this thread.


Europe is not a nation.
I'll call Nada.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25993 Posts
September 29 2010 19:45 GMT
#654
On September 30 2010 02:34 Bommes wrote:
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On September 30 2010 01:44 archaik wrote:
This thread yet again show what a joke this site is, and it's moderators. Lots of player poring hate on MorroW, and the moderators think it's fine. Make one bad comment towards Idra, Artosis, x popular player and you have a ban/warning on your ass. And Idras comments in this thread should warrent him several warnings, maybe a ban, but we all know that wont happen. Hypocrisy at it's best TL!

And much respect to MorroW btw. I don't think any other pro player would even consider something like this. He's only 18 but he's got far bigger balls then most 20+ pro players, including Idra.

MorroW fightning!


This is just true. I mean I love this forum, I love the good discussions and I especially love the Strategy subforum. But every thread which is about the current race discussion ends up being an Idra-fanboy vs. Idra-hater battle... And the fanboys are the much more annoying ones because they just state that Idra shouldn't lose anything if he would play the right race because he is the best player. Without doubt.

I like Morrows attitude, he makes some logical points, and many people said that they would like to see a top terran play zerg. Well that's your chance, I don't get why everyone is hating Morrow for that. He is basically sacrificing his good ladder ranking and his credibility for testing this out (and for having more fun obviously) and some people are hating and nerdraging him for that, which is just irrational behaviour.

But I think the Idra-groupies just are a little bit irrational from time to time
Which doesn't say anything about Idra, I like to see him play and I think he is a really smart guy with some manner problems, but he's always honest.

I hope Morrow stays at Zerg and doesn't switch back. It's just really cool, I'll be your fan 100%!

Well, I'm in this thread cleaning it up now. I'd appreciate a little faith in late action than anger towards a job not being done immediately.
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AtlasJQ
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada138 Posts
September 29 2010 20:24 GMT
#655
Cleaning up 33 pages of this should take you some time. Good luck with that!

That said I've found Morrow's responses to be very mature and responsible and I am 100% impressed with him in this thread. It makes me wish we did have a subforum where only the top players could post but everyone else could read so we didnt have these good conversations inflated by 25 pages of nonsense and maybe 5 pages of useful posts.

An old schooler from Katans Lair and Mavens Haven - | - Fav SC accomplishment: Beating SSamjang in the first i2e2. Yes, that SSamjang. I am old :(
J7S
Profile Joined March 2009
Brazil179 Posts
September 29 2010 20:27 GMT
#656
Morrow, I find it really great you are trying to test new things and that you are learning Zerg.

But you say that you got to the peak playing Terran and can't improve anymore and that the game is easy. I question this, you are one of the best players out there, of course the game will be easy don't you think? You practiced a lot and have a huge BW background too.

Wouldn't Flash and Jaedong say that BW is easy for them?

I have hope in the game.
"Mein Führer, I can walk!" - Dr. Strangelove
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
September 29 2010 20:27 GMT
#657
MorroW,

My best wishes and support to you as you strive to master Zerg. It's awesome to see a progamer who is willing to take a hit in their rankings to try something new. Let it be a reminder to us all that we play SC2 because we ENJOY IT and it is FUN! As a Zerg player looking to improve their own gameplay, I'm looking forward to reviewing your replay packs to watch you learn how to play Zerg and hopefully it will open my eyes to new things as well. Hopefully you will not be shy about posting your discoveries here in TL.net and in the strategy forums! Best of luck to you!

To the trolls/flamers,

MorroW is an excellent player, and not just because he played Terran. While Terran is commonly perceived as overpowered, it still takes a great deal of skill and refined play to perform at the level that MorroW has, and for that I respect him, even if he's not been the one I've been cheering for in most tournaments (IdrA at IEM, damn you reapers!). If MorroW sticks with Zerg, I have no doubt that he will perform very well, because he is just a good gamer and has a good grasp on the mechanics and strategy of the game. Good players > racial imba; just look at IdrA, Sen, Cool, and Dimaga, each of whom makes Zerg look OP.

Again, best of luck you you MorroW! Please educate the rest of us swarmers with you insights and discoveries as you learn Zerg, and additional replay packs are definitely welcome!
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
Malminos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 20:29:56
September 29 2010 20:28 GMT
#658
On September 30 2010 00:04 MorroW wrote:
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On September 29 2010 23:55 YourMom wrote:
MorroW said he had over 50% w/r ratio when he tried toss. I bet he tried some 4 gates action.

hehe. nono i just play macro games now in practice, once i learn the basics ill get to the funk :d

madfrog giving me some serious zvz headsup right here so that should boost my improvement :D


Struggling zvz player here. Care to share some of that advice from madfrog?
Also, by the way, major props on doin your own thing dude. Its pretty encouraging seeing u try zerg out and handling your zerg losses like a total boss. I've been hesitant to play after all these nerfs to zerg.

After reading through your posts in this thread though, hearing about your recent change to learning zerg, and positive outlook on losing/learning a new race for fun, encourages me all to hell to suck it up and continue my climb up the ladder. I need to adopt that day 9 "better get an earlier pool" outlook. But yeah keep it up, and thanks for posting! and good luck with that zergage!
"To dream of because become happiness "
qd
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany37 Posts
September 29 2010 20:34 GMT
#659
On September 30 2010 01:44 archaik wrote:
This thread yet again show what a joke this site is, and it's moderators. Lots of player poring hate on MorroW, and the moderators think it's fine. Make one bad comment towards Idra, Artosis, x popular player and you have a ban/warning on your ass. And Idras comments in this thread should warrent him several warnings, maybe a ban, but we all know that wont happen. Hypocrisy at it's best TL!

And much respect to MorroW btw. I don't think any other pro player would even consider something like this. He's only 18 but he's got far bigger balls then most 20+ pro players, including Idra.

MorroW fightning!

User was banned for this post.



now why exactly did he just got banned? you TL guys are fucking hypocrits...

spreading hate > non tl fucktards...





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SeaSmoke
Profile Joined July 2010
United States326 Posts
September 29 2010 20:37 GMT
#660
Welcome to the swarm Morrow...I'm majorly disappointed seeing all the haters in this thread. Especially IdrA. There's nothing to gain from making such remarks. There's a fine line between being a "no nonsense guy" and being a flat out dick. Let the guy play, e's having fun...remember everyone this is a game.

Morrow is obviously a baller and I look forward to seeing more from his play as Zerg.
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