On September 22 2010 02:21 Plexa wrote:
I dont see it helping anyone to be honest. Some people might find it useful, great. Most people won't, that's fine too. Don't see why the option shouldn't exist!

agree. people should be know approx when timing pushes happen without the need for a clock.

NukeTheBunnys

United States1004 Posts

September 21 2010 19:35 GMT

#123

can anyone put some screen shots of this new clock up. I wanna see what it looks like, If its anything like the one in YABOT there is very little chance of me using it

McFoo

United Kingdom180 Posts

September 21 2010 19:38 GMT

#124

Lack of auto-mine, as in BW, does not provide much additional strategic depth. However, the fact that you don't have a clock in Starcraft means you have to figure out timings in a more complex way. I'm not sure if this will benefit the game or if it will remove depth from it.

Evolve

Canada63 Posts

September 21 2010 19:40 GMT

#125

Should make the timer only platinum and under ^^ good training tool, leave it out of the higher tiers

TheNomad

United States134 Posts

September 21 2010 19:45 GMT

#126

Not sure how people can say this is imba or unfair... basically people are saying "Nerf CLOCKS!" I know people who play with just a simple timer by their computer, same exact thing, more convenient.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46629 Posts

September 21 2010 19:45 GMT

#127

I hate how people hate optional things.

Just don't use it if you don't like it.

I think it's quite helpful for people working on build orders and timing attacks

Ndugu

United States1078 Posts

September 21 2010 19:47 GMT

#128

Someone needs to start a massive thread filled with all the popular timings.

Mutas, 4gate, first Collosus, etc.

Hendeca

United States23 Posts

September 21 2010 19:47 GMT

#129

I can't imagine banning this at tournaments! That would be utterly silly. It wouldn't be imbalanced since both people have the clock. Maybe one person has their build timed out very specifically and their opponent doesn't, but that doesn't make it imbalanced, it just means that one player took more preparation time and knows their build better! And even then, the timed out build may be trumped by something unexpected that interferes with a very specific timing push.

I'm excited for the clock because when I pull off a build really well, I can shoot to beat that time in future games. I'm excited for it, way to go Blizzard!

G2Wolf

United States261 Posts

September 21 2010 19:50 GMT

#130

On September 22 2010 04:47 Hendeca wrote:
I can't imagine banning this at tournaments! That would be utterly silly. It wouldn't be imbalanced since both people have the clock. Maybe one person has their build timed out very specifically and their opponent doesn't, but that doesn't make it imbalanced, it just means that one player took more preparation time and knows their build better! And even then, the timed out build may be trumped by something unexpected that interferes with a very specific timing push.

I'm excited for the clock because when I pull off a build really well, I can shoot to beat that time in future games. I'm excited for it, way to go Blizzard!

It's not about whether it's imba or not. It's a matter of removing a skill element from the game (being able to time) that some think should remain in the game.

muzzy

United States640 Posts

September 21 2010 19:53 GMT

#131

I won't use it, but I'm not opposed to it.

I'm the kind of player who is in SC for the long haul. I don't want any crutches. I want to develop my game sense and scouting abilities.

But, for folks who just need a little help in their casual play... sure, why not?

bakedace

United States672 Posts

September 21 2010 19:53 GMT

#132

Didn't choas launcher have this built-in?

Maybe blizzard will start adding things like this to prevent using a cheat for it?

hmunkey

United Kingdom1973 Posts

September 21 2010 19:57 GMT

#133

It doesn't really matter. If someone wanted a timer they could just set one up next to their computer regardless of game time vs actual time.

unifo

Canada65 Posts

September 21 2010 20:01 GMT

#134

Gees already so many post on this topic... only made 2-3 hours ago. And the patch isn't up :D

After reading a few of the post, here are some conclusions that can be made

Timer is a very useful tool for players to improve their game. Its pretty much agreeable that observers/refs should have a timer so they have another tool to make commentaries better. Also most probably agree that in tournaments, this feature should not be allowed.

The big question is should this be allowed in ladder games? This appears to be a mixed bag in terms of responses. Quite a few arguments for and against, and the murkiest arguments are aimed towards the improving players (mainly gold to diamond players).

I'm wondering if blizzard actually studied the idea of putting this clock in game very extensively.... about the longterm consequences of this.... cause as we all know, this will probably be the most scrutinized RTS by its fans.... at least 3 million and growing.

leonardus

59 Posts

September 21 2010 20:01 GMT

#135

Can anyone post a picture with this feature from the game? thx

Skyze

Canada2324 Posts

September 21 2010 20:02 GMT

#136

I think it might be useful. For me, I always get the "muta fear" syndrome where even if its only like 4 minutes into the game, I start thinking "fuck i need to get some cannons up at my main" and etc.. So with this clock, I can go see whats the absolute fastest time you can get ~3 mutas out, and then see when that is each game for a benchmark when to build my cannons, instead of hitting the "panic" button early.

Of course I would of done this normally with a stopwatch/clock like most serious players do if I really wanted to improve drastically, but this just makes it abit easier for casual players who are above 1400+ diamond like me, to still maintain being somewhat competitive.

Skyze

Canada2324 Posts

September 21 2010 20:03 GMT

#137

Also.. DOesnt Flash use a RULER for his building placements?? If blizzard added some kinda ruler tool to the game, would you all be saying its a "newb trick"?? Not saying they should, just saying dont call anyone who uses a watch/clock a newb just because you dont do it, as the bonjwa of BW right now uses a fucking ruler. Let people use whatever they want if it will improve their play (without hacks/cheating)

Innovation

United States284 Posts

September 21 2010 20:08 GMT

#138

I haven't read every post of this thread but the game clock feature jumped out at me as well. I have a couple thoughts

1. It should not be allowed in lan tournements
2. It should be optional to dissallow it on Ladder or be limited to custom (non ranked games)
3. since #2 won't happen I'll be using it to enhance my normal supply timings
4. Would be cool to start a TL timing thread with common/popular in-game timings as a research tool
5. Since timings are never static this will never replace good game sense and reaction ability. mid level players who rely on this to heavily will be easily exploited.

End406

United States8 Posts

September 21 2010 20:12 GMT

#139

I think it will be interesting to help practice new build orders with vs AI or a friend. But most of the time when I ladder I don't really worry about how long I've been in a game. As far as timing attacks go, players with better situational awareness will be better off than the person who is relying on a clock for pushing / defending.

mishimaBeef

Canada2259 Posts

September 21 2010 20:17 GMT

#140

On September 22 2010 05:03 Skyze wrote:
Also.. DOesnt Flash use a RULER for his building placements?? If blizzard added some kinda ruler tool to the game, would you all be saying its a "newb trick"?? Not saying they should, just saying dont call anyone who uses a watch/clock a newb just because you dont do it, as the bonjwa of BW right now uses a fucking ruler. Let people use whatever they want if it will improve their play (without hacks/cheating)

Don't think flash has time to get out his trusty ruler before making buildings but I did see him measuring his peripheral setup (mouse-keyboard distance or something).