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On September 18 2010 02:46 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. .......
I lol'd too
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"Liquid NaDa" sounds like something you'd put on your face, or your chest, or your... y'know.
... and I would.
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Nice to see him back, but this is a bitter pill to swallow for BW. With all the recent news, lots of teams are in a lot of trouble. Flash and JD will have to hold down the fort if BW has any chance of survival.
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On September 18 2010 03:38 StarStruck wrote:
Nice to see him back, but this is a bitter pill to swallow for BW. With all the recent news, lots of teams are in a lot of trouble. Flash and JD will have to hold down the fort if BW has any chance of survival.
I don't know about you, but Flash and Jaedong actually killed (or are slowly killing) my interest in Brood War. Watching the same 2 players over and over is bad for the press, even OGN admitted it. Without new faces in the scene, any sport becomes stagnant until some new guy reinvigorates interest.
I'd rather stick to Brood War as the game of choice for progamers, to be honest. Then again, real A class pros like NaDa and July hopped the SC2 ship. They could turn SC2 from a seemingly easy, low-skill game, to one that BW has evolved to.
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On September 18 2010 04:19 newvsoldschool wrote:
I'd rather stick to Brood War as the game of choice for progamers, to be honest. Then again, real A class pros like NaDa and July hopped the SC2 ship. They could turn SC2 from a seemingly easy, low-skill game, to one that BW has evolved to.
How is still thinking like this anyway?
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Starcraft 2 scene is getting better and better. :D Nada is on my view list.
there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all.
As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder
if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising.
lolwuuuuuuut? O.o
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On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising.
Who are you to say their mechanics won't transfer over? Have you spoken directly to them and heard them say that?
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On September 18 2010 03:16 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 02:46 fearus wrote:On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. ....... I lol'd too
Guys.. He is from the Wc3 community, he doesn't know any better.
Hope to see the most successful BW player become the most successful ScII player? :D
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On September 18 2010 04:19 newvsoldschool wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 03:38 StarStruck wrote:
Nice to see him back, but this is a bitter pill to swallow for BW. With all the recent news, lots of teams are in a lot of trouble. Flash and JD will have to hold down the fort if BW has any chance of survival. I don't know about you, but Flash and Jaedong actually killed (or are slowly killing) my interest in Brood War. Watching the same 2 players over and over is bad for the press, even OGN admitted it. Without new faces in the scene, any sport becomes stagnant until some new guy reinvigorates interest. I'd rather stick to Brood War as the game of choice for progamers, to be honest. Then again, real A class pros like NaDa and July hopped the SC2 ship. They could turn SC2 from a seemingly easy, low-skill game, to one that BW has evolved to.
Well Flash only got signed in 2007. Compared to other sports, I think SC top players change faces way faster. And if you find watching them play boring, watch some low A players.
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On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising.
Hahahahahaha most unbelievably LOL worthy post I've seen on TL in the recent past.
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On September 18 2010 04:46 Cade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. Hahahahahaha most unbelievably LOL worthy post I've seen on TL in the recent past.
well I knew this kind of response would happen. Oh well people are just ignorant. sc is not sc2.
the interface is much different. the macro mechanics are much different everything about the game is much different. Their macro isn't some innate skill but rather a mental tick through lots and lots of training.
Building times are much different so plz dont sit here and say they can hit barracks control group and do it much better then anyone else just because they played bw
I'll find it hard to believe they do that much better then people like tester or TLO..demuslim. They're capable to play with the best but do be just way ahead of everyone else? please.
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On September 18 2010 04:48 FindingPride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 04:46 Cade wrote:On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. Hahahahahaha most unbelievably LOL worthy post I've seen on TL in the recent past. well I knew this kind of response would happen. Oh well people are just ignorant. sc is not sc2. the interface is much different. the macro mechanics are much different everything about the game is much different. There macro isn't some innate skill but rather a mental tick through lots and lots of training. Building times are much different so plz dont sit here and say they can hit barracks control group and do it much better then anyone else just because they played bw
Because mechanics don't carry over. Macro is an innate skill. The skill to be able to understand and remember hundreds of timings. They have done so in Brood War, after learning every build order, and they can do the same in Starcraft 2. I can't believe you're even arguing this.
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On September 18 2010 04:48 FindingPride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 04:46 Cade wrote:On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. Hahahahahaha most unbelievably LOL worthy post I've seen on TL in the recent past. well I knew this kind of response would happen. Oh well people are just ignorant. sc is not sc2. the interface is much different. the macro mechanics are much different everything about the game is much different. There macro isn't some innate skill but rather a mental tick through lots and lots of training. Building times are much different so plz dont sit here and say they can hit barracks control group and do it much better then anyone else just because they played bw
First of all, the interface is not that much different. Heck, there's an option for old format, IIRC.
Macro is built upon practice - yes. However, if you are going to discount their ability to learn the new macro just because your explanation makes them into robots, then I disagree with that. People who have only the muscle memory for macro do not become top world class players like NaDa. It takes a lot more than that.
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On September 18 2010 04:56 vica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 04:48 FindingPride wrote:On September 18 2010 04:46 Cade wrote:On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. Hahahahahaha most unbelievably LOL worthy post I've seen on TL in the recent past. well I knew this kind of response would happen. Oh well people are just ignorant. sc is not sc2. the interface is much different. the macro mechanics are much different everything about the game is much different. There macro isn't some innate skill but rather a mental tick through lots and lots of training. Building times are much different so plz dont sit here and say they can hit barracks control group and do it much better then anyone else just because they played bw Because mechanics don't carry over. Macro is an innate skill. The skill to be able to understand and remember hundreds of timings. They have done so in Brood War, after learning every build order, and they can do the same in Starcraft 2. I can't believe you're even arguing this.
really? i can guarantee they wont do as good as u think. I challenge anyone here to outmacro/outplay me. I'll prove to u BW mechanics mean nothing in sc2
pride.726
lets go : )
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On September 18 2010 04:56 vica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 04:48 FindingPride wrote:On September 18 2010 04:46 Cade wrote:On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. Hahahahahaha most unbelievably LOL worthy post I've seen on TL in the recent past. well I knew this kind of response would happen. Oh well people are just ignorant. sc is not sc2. the interface is much different. the macro mechanics are much different everything about the game is much different. There macro isn't some innate skill but rather a mental tick through lots and lots of training. Building times are much different so plz dont sit here and say they can hit barracks control group and do it much better then anyone else just because they played bw Because mechanics don't carry over. Macro is an innate skill. The skill to be able to understand and remember hundreds of timings. They have done so in Brood War, after learning every build order, and they can do the same in Starcraft 2. I can't believe you're even arguing this.
He's arguing it because he doesn't really understand what Macro means. Just because Macro in SC2 is way easier in SC2 doesn't mean their Macro sense won't carry over 
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On September 18 2010 04:19 newvsoldschool wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 03:38 StarStruck wrote:
Nice to see him back, but this is a bitter pill to swallow for BW. With all the recent news, lots of teams are in a lot of trouble. Flash and JD will have to hold down the fort if BW has any chance of survival. I don't know about you, but Flash and Jaedong actually killed (or are slowly killing) my interest in Brood War. Watching the same 2 players over and over is bad for the press, even OGN admitted it. Without new faces in the scene, any sport becomes stagnant until some new guy reinvigorates interest. I'd rather stick to Brood War as the game of choice for progamers, to be honest. Then again, real A class pros like NaDa and July hopped the SC2 ship. They could turn SC2 from a seemingly easy, low-skill game, to one that BW has evolved to.
Well aware. The problem is players like NaDa and July had market appeal hence they were given lucrative contracts. With the downsizing of BW Pro Gaming teams where will we find this new blood when many of oldest big names are moving on? More Koreans will pursue SC2 and BW could be left in the dust if new players don't rise to the top to combat Flash and JD. :/
KeSPA's job got a little harder to find new homes for estro.
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Will be interesting to see how long it takes for him and july to get fully into the groove and find those small things they can do to get an edge. 
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On September 18 2010 03:16 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 02:46 fearus wrote:On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. ....... I lol'd too
hehe.... gotta say it was some funny shit right there.
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On September 18 2010 04:58 FindingPride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 04:56 vica wrote:On September 18 2010 04:48 FindingPride wrote:On September 18 2010 04:46 Cade wrote:On September 18 2010 02:43 FindingPride wrote:On September 17 2010 23:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On September 17 2010 22:49 Zangaxx wrote:
How much better are the mechanics of these korean players? Are they far ahead on macro/multitasking? And how is there general sense of strategy compared to the western pros? We can compare to idra, who made it onto the B team who would lose to shitty A team players like MVP or Hyuk who would get rocked by solid A team players like Kal or Sea who would get stomped on by Jaedong or Flash there mechanics and macro dont transfer over. at all. As a wc3 player i was macroing better then most of the top bw players outside of korea on the ladder if anything they'll just catch up fast but we won't see any large gap in skill. There are new players arising. Hahahahahaha most unbelievably LOL worthy post I've seen on TL in the recent past. well I knew this kind of response would happen. Oh well people are just ignorant. sc is not sc2. the interface is much different. the macro mechanics are much different everything about the game is much different. There macro isn't some innate skill but rather a mental tick through lots and lots of training. Building times are much different so plz dont sit here and say they can hit barracks control group and do it much better then anyone else just because they played bw Because mechanics don't carry over. Macro is an innate skill. The skill to be able to understand and remember hundreds of timings. They have done so in Brood War, after learning every build order, and they can do the same in Starcraft 2. I can't believe you're even arguing this. really? i can guarantee they wont do as good as u think. I challenge anyone here to outmacro/outplay me. I'll prove to u BW mechanics mean nothing in sc2 pride.726 lets go : )
hahaha nobody said they were "macroing better than most of the top bw players outside of korea"... except YOU. If you want to prove your point, you should play THEM, instead of trying to act all cool and trying to save face and challenging the people laughing at you.
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