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On September 10 2010 23:34 Bash wrote:
Anyway, easily the best casting combo and I think people who think otherwise are missing the point of these casts. Day9 is cool and all but do I really want to be taught how to play for 4 hours 5 days a week when all I'm looking for is players better than I? I'd much rather be entertained than getting schooled. That is one of the best things about pro SCBW, you're watching players who are so much better than you you'll never get close to any of them, you're basically watching gods, so all imba discussion and racehate and any learning process gained is invalid. You can happily be driven into a frenzy by Koreans yelling, and be entertained.)
I can't agree there. I don't see day9 casts as schooling. However his knowledge of the games allows him to explain the whole strategy and tactics game of the pros. You can understand what they were trying to do even when their plan does not succeed.
Like in IEM where I think Morrow sent in one lonely hellion to make the opponent think he is going for hellion play and then teching something different. Day9 caught that and told the viewers and that little play made Morrow seem even more godlier than before. Where as Apollo missed that and even criticized Morrow for losing his hellion like that.
Sure Artosis has a nice understanding of the game, but he is commentating too subjectively to make it interesting for me. I like the objective approach of day9 more. I always enjoy when commentators give me the information and I can form an opinion, not the other way around.
Still nice to see them improving.
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The camera handling has to be improved by Tasteless, but otherwise I like the cast.
Better than the "OMG look he is building a Probe, that is high-level starcraft, so gosu" by Day[9] @ IEM.
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I have put together a list of some of the major changes that will maximize the GOM broadcast using the collective knowledge of iCCup TV. Please go support it as I think these things would help poor Tasteless and Artosis in the long run and get Tastless back into top form.
Thread, please support it
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Dominican Republic463 Posts
ITT People new to sc2 complaining about the best casters in the business.
it's like never watching a nba game in your life, you go see kobe at staples center and criticize his game. lol.
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On September 10 2010 20:27 floor exercise wrote:
You guys are too critical. Tasteless is one of the only entertaining casters out there. He actually has a personality, he may not know everything but I'd rather listen to him talk about a video game rather than random asperger's inflicted caster #3235 who lacks the basic social skills to interact with other human beings, and thinks for some reason that means they can talk into a microphone
Tastosis is a fantastic duo
Sorry, but for the biggest tournament in this rather young eSport branch we dont need Crusty the clown, but rather a focus on the game and a serious discussion [excluding Artosis' constant whining about Terrans being OP]. If they continue the "we are silly to entertain" path they might as well get rid of the jackets and get some red noses, oversized shoes and as colorful clothing as they can get their hands on. Jackets = we are serious!
Personally I call the duo ARTLESS instead of Tastosis ...
On September 11 2010 00:50 SwaY- wrote:
ITT People new to sc2 complaining about the best casters in the business.
it's like never watching a nba game in your life, you go see kobe at staples center and criticize his game. lol.
What exactly makes them "the best casters in business"? Do me the favor and enlighten me, because they arent showing their supposedly awesome knowledge of the game and only show an "entertainment value" which many people could provide.
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Overall I think Artosis and Tasteless make a good combo though. I'd love to see Artosis go as in-depth on strategy as he did in his BW commentaries.
10 years of game strategy vs 1 month of retail. Clearly they are going as in debth as possible ;P
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Rabiator wrote:
What exactly makes them "the best casters in business"? Do me the favor and enlighten me, because they arent showing their supposedly awesome knowledge of the game and only show an "entertainment value" which many people could provide.
This is something i would love to know also. No dubt they did some stuff for SC/BW (i was never a big fan i prefered the korean commentators even thou i dont understand a single korean word). What gets me off is that ppl trash other commentaries for stuff and when this duo does the same misstakes but even worse they get appoligised like "well they will get better" and "give them time" and my favourite "They are new to the casting".
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Today's cast was really an improvement. Continue 
On the other hand - I'd be interested how the casting would be, if they follow the Korean observer. Maybe test it once?
Regarding the "treat it like a job" comments. Those kind of contradict the "prepare for the games/players. Watch replays".
I honestly doubt they would be getting payed for watching the replays & stuff.
And I personally dont prepare stuff for my everyday job in my free time. (For special occasions like a presentation, sure, but not the 0815 stuff I do everyday).
So please decide what you want. "Treat it like a job" or "Research more". Or get GOM to pay them "research time" (or even compile the information about the players for them).
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I like this Tastossis combo a lot, but being a big Tasteless fan I still have to admit I feel he is a bit unprepared. He seems to lack some basic knowledge about hotkeys and even some players. I mean, is easy to notice when you are used to his BW casting which was outstanding.
However I think this issues will improve vastly in the near future and I am sure we will see a huge difference in the next GSL tournament.
I have allways enjoyed Tasteless´s sense of humor and his epic quotes.
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how exactly are they going to do research about players who don't speak English and aren't managed by teams that have PR that speaks English, and who are only talked about on Korean forums. i think some guys don't understand how closed the Korean community is to the foreigners because of the language barrier, also how many interesting facts can you dig up about a bunch of kids that have been playing a game for a few months, most of them being nobodies that never won a tournament and have no background in anything.
and does anyone here really think that OSL announcers did research on their own? im pretty sure they got served all the info they need to know about playstyles and player characteristics by teams (at least i read something along those lines on TL)
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On September 11 2010 01:41 WiljushkA wrote:
how exactly are they going to do research about players who don't speak English and aren't managed by teams that have PR that speaks English, and who are only talked about on Korean forums. i think some guys don't understand how closed the Korean community is to the foreigners because of the language barrier, also how many interesting facts can you dig up about a bunch of kids that have been playing a game for a few months, most of them being nobodies that never won a tournament and have no background in anything.
and does anyone here really think that OSL announcers did research on their own? im pretty sure they got served all the info they need to know about playstyles and player characteristics by teams (at least i read something along those lines on TL)
Cant be hard to have someone translate the info that the OSL team gets, not in an event of this magnitude.
Basicly the koreans try and milk as much money out of the non koreans as possible and at the same time gives us the finger. It is not uncommon in asia to do that. The "we are superior to everyone else" menatality in asia is HUGE.
Yes you political correct muppets that think everone has a western mind can whine as much as you want about that but it is the truth. The 2 most racist countries in the world is Japan and south africa(i am not talking about the white ppl living there now) and then basicly most countries in the asian region.
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On September 11 2010 01:48 SuperGnu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 01:41 WiljushkA wrote:
how exactly are they going to do research about players who don't speak English and aren't managed by teams that have PR that speaks English, and who are only talked about on Korean forums. i think some guys don't understand how closed the Korean community is to the foreigners because of the language barrier, also how many interesting facts can you dig up about a bunch of kids that have been playing a game for a few months, most of them being nobodies that never won a tournament and have no background in anything.
and does anyone here really think that OSL announcers did research on their own? im pretty sure they got served all the info they need to know about playstyles and player characteristics by teams (at least i read something along those lines on TL) Cant be hard to have someone translate the info that the OSL team gets, not in an event of this magnitude. Basicly the koreans try and milk as much money out of the non koreans as possible and at the same time gives us the finger. It is not uncommon in asia to do that. The "we are superior to everyone else" menatality in asia is HUGE. Yes you political correct muppets that think everone has a western mind can whine as much as you want about that but it is the truth. The 2 most racist countries in the world is Japan and south africa(i am not talking about the white ppl living there now) and then basicly most countries in the asian region.
wait i get it now
you like hd/husky, well that explains everything
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On September 10 2010 23:52 rozina wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 23:34 Bash wrote:
Anyway, easily the best casting combo and I think people who think otherwise are missing the point of these casts. Day9 is cool and all but do I really want to be taught how to play for 4 hours 5 days a week when all I'm looking for is players better than I? I'd much rather be entertained than getting schooled. That is one of the best things about pro SCBW, you're watching players who are so much better than you you'll never get close to any of them, you're basically watching gods, so all imba discussion and racehate and any learning process gained is invalid. You can happily be driven into a frenzy by Koreans yelling, and be entertained.) I can't agree there. I don't see day9 casts as schooling. However his knowledge of the games allows him to explain the whole strategy and tactics game of the pros. You can understand what they were trying to do even when their plan does not succeed. Like in IEM where I think Morrow sent in one lonely hellion to make the opponent think he is going for hellion play and then teching something different. Day9 caught that and told the viewers and that little play made Morrow seem even more godlier than before. Where as Apollo missed that and even criticized Morrow for losing his hellion like that. Sure Artosis has a nice understanding of the game, but he is commentating too subjectively to make it interesting for me. I like the objective approach of day9 more. I always enjoy when commentators give me the information and I can form an opinion, not the other way around. Still nice to see them improving.
This is a dangerous path to follow because a commentator with a reputation like Day[9] or Artosis can bullshit as much as they want and as long as they sound confident in what they're saying, newbs will eat it up. A commentator who gives the fans what they want to hear is never going to be able to be as accurate as a commentator who is giving his honest evaluation of the game. So as long as you remain blissfully ignorant you can enjoy the casts of some bullshitter. But hopefully you can appreciate when a commentator is calling it like they see it. There's no way that a commentator can give you all the facts and let you decide for yourself. There's just not enough time. You may feel informed but in reality the commentator has told you about 10% of what has happened.
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The biggest thing I would suggest is that he (and all casters) learn to use Follow (Ctrl+Shift+F). you get a nice smooth transition when you add/subtract/change the selected units you are following and you can always disengage it by clicking on the mini-map to jump or just hitting Ctrl+Shift+F again.
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The times when Artosis gives us some player background is amazing. He is so accurate with calling people's styles. I find that amazing.
Other than that, I've been extremely disappointed with the commentary so far. Missed tech everywhere, mispronounced player names, mispronounced unit names, and just a general lack of urgency.
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I'll just throw this out there too: When I was playing SC1 profesionally in Korea and my team would sit down to watch some games, my teammates would laugh at the things the Korean commentators said. There weren't jokes or anything. The calls that the commentators were making were just so bad that they were humorous.
Of course, they'd seem so bad only to very high level players. I'm sure that those commentators had learned what their audiences wanted to hear since they'd casted 1000's of games in their careers. So while everyone else thinks that the commentators are letting the audience in on some rare and valuable insight into the game, the players themselves are just rofling about it.
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being a total noob in the scene i find it hard to believe how tasteless is such a casting legend.
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The thing is, GomTv should really get a guy to observe for the commentators. As Tasteless statted it, its really hard to move your camera arround / manipulate the counting station and comment on the game at the same time, you miss many things. Tasteless was much more focus on the commentary in the Gom classic.
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On September 11 2010 01:54 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 01:48 SuperGnu wrote:On September 11 2010 01:41 WiljushkA wrote:
how exactly are they going to do research about players who don't speak English and aren't managed by teams that have PR that speaks English, and who are only talked about on Korean forums. i think some guys don't understand how closed the Korean community is to the foreigners because of the language barrier, also how many interesting facts can you dig up about a bunch of kids that have been playing a game for a few months, most of them being nobodies that never won a tournament and have no background in anything.
and does anyone here really think that OSL announcers did research on their own? im pretty sure they got served all the info they need to know about playstyles and player characteristics by teams (at least i read something along those lines on TL) Cant be hard to have someone translate the info that the OSL team gets, not in an event of this magnitude. Basicly the koreans try and milk as much money out of the non koreans as possible and at the same time gives us the finger. It is not uncommon in asia to do that. The "we are superior to everyone else" menatality in asia is HUGE. Yes you political correct muppets that think everone has a western mind can whine as much as you want about that but it is the truth. The 2 most racist countries in the world is Japan and south africa(i am not talking about the white ppl living there now) and then basicly most countries in the asian region. wait i get it now you like hd/husky, well that explains everything
Husky, yes. HD, not so much. And the problem is what? oh yea i sorry i forgot this is TL where all new thoughts must go via a "pro" player to be of any worth at all. Same with the playing, if a random person does something awesome it is newbish and not usefull, if a pro does the same it is awesome and the ppl who cant even play them selves without copypasting every move the proes does will copy it like there was no tomorow.
Get a grip dude.
Tasteless has never been good IMO (IMO = In My Opinion). I did not like him in SC/BW and i do not like him in SC2. He is a great guy i like him as he is when he gets intervjued at random places but i do not like his castings. Simple. I am not worshiping anyone becuse they have a big name. Every person have to prove them selves to me to get my apriciation and tasteless has not done that. He is lacking a lot.
The only 2 casters i rly like is Husky and Day[9]. And guess what i am entitled to my own damn opinion, i dont need to follow the "YES!" sayers on TL to have an opinion.
I have seen to many fanbois here that it is actually scarying me a bit. I thought this place was a place for good players to talk, but what it is is a site for fanbois with no mind of their own. That prob cant even drink a glass of water without watching a Day[9] daily to see how he does it.
I prob get banned for this but whatever.
PS: i criticise husky A LOT, specially his total faliure with looking at the minimap. Just becuse i dont think i am bless when someones shadow is touching me dont mean i cant like or disslike something.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 11 2010 02:03 latan wrote:
being a total noob in the scene i find it hard to believe how tasteless is such a casting legend.
Seconded. I watch a lot of my local sports team on TV (including USS D-2 teams) so I am used to low-budget, semi-pro commentary. But for guys being payed to commentate, I was very much underwhelmed. But I find their chemistry decent and prefer it than just watching w/o commentary, just confused as to why they are held in such a high regard my some people.
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