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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
All in all I think that in all matchups mid-game as well as transitions to late-game will be very interesting. May seem shortsighted because I'm no expert though. ps: thanks to Blizzard for listening to community, and thanks for updates and services provided. | ||
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Anzuu
United States4 Posts
Ultralisk change is...I dunno, doesn't seem to be too big a deal either. But nerfing zealots...I dunno, maybe would have been better nerfing void rays. Zealots are a bit too essential to be nerfed; against Terran the EMP bio ball (which remained completely untouched by the nerfs) Toss is going to have an even harder time. Hopefully we don't see Toss also get wrecked by 6pool in lower tier games too much. If the entire chronoboost/warpgate mechanic is going to be nerfed, it had better just be to discourage proxies and not actually kill all hope of Toss macro. In addition to the zealot nerf, if this means that I only have 15 zealots when I would normally be able to have 25.... Lights out! EMP + MMM ball = gg. Heck, even speedlings can get the surround off a lot easier with toss having fewer units. | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On August 29 2010 04:34 AlBundy wrote: ps: thanks to Blizzard for listening to community In their Situation Report Blizzard wrote: Zealot rushes are currently too powerful at various skill levels Personally I'd rather Blizzard WEREN'T listening to the community. | ||
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ZergTurd
83 Posts
On August 28 2010 02:11 ]Grey[ wrote: These all seem like pretty solid changes. Their reasoning for the zealot change is a bit odd though. Were proxy gateways particularly hard to hold off as Terran? They seemed pretty ineffective against Zerg, from my experience, at least. In my experience yes Zealot proxies are very hard to deal with as T. Unless you scout at 8 food or so and can scout the proxy AND make a bunker in time and have marines.. I'm probably not an expert but as a Plat player I lost to it like almost always.  | ||
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Fizbin
Canada202 Posts
On August 29 2010 05:09 ZergTurd wrote: In my experience yes Zealot proxies are very hard to deal with as T. Unless you scout at 8 food or so and can scout the proxy AND make a bunker in time and have marines.. I'm probably not an expert but as a Plat player I lost to it like almost always. just wall off. rally the racks behind the wall. build at least 1 marine before adding an addon. if he pushes with a couple zealots repair the wall while the marine owns them. then pump some more marines. second rax and get some marauders for the stalkers. problem solved. | ||
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EliteAzn
United States661 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
However I'm not certain if increasing the build time (on reapers) is always the good way to go. People will just plop down another barracks. I doubt minerals is the limiting factor. Tanks are too powerful because of their smart targeting, they will still demolish ranged units that are light like hydras too well and severely damage clumped lings/zealots. It's not as much their damage. I remember the Ultra ram thread on TL. I also remember someone saying that perhaps it was intentional to make it so Ultras weren't too strong of a building destroyer. And as always, KISB, Keep it simple Blizzard. | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
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EnderCN
United States499 Posts
However I'm not certain if increasing the build time (on reapers) is always the good way to go. People will just plop down another barracks It doesn't really work this way. The first 2 reapers have to move out 10 seconds later than before. The 3rd+4th ones will be 15 seconds later than before. The 5th+ will be at least 20 seconds later. It takes until you have a very big ball of reapers to make an extra barracks start to make up for it. | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:17 EnderCN wrote: It doesn't really work this way. The first 2 reapers have to move out 10 seconds later than before. The 3rd+4th ones will be 15 seconds later than before. The 5th+ will be at least 20 seconds later. It takes until you have a very big ball of reapers to make an extra barracks start to make up for it. You can still reach these 10 - 14 reaper numbers using good control. i rather wanted to see zerg buffed than reaper nerfed in this way because even with 5 second delay per reaper nothing has really changed. They will simply not build as many reapers, well controlled reapers will still do their job. Giving terran an expansion, map control and setting up for big bio play. | ||
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SyyRaaaN
Sweden136 Posts
From another forum; in the internal testing build. Protoss Zealot • Build time increased from 33 seconds to 38 seconds. Observer • Cost decreased from 50 Minerals and 100 Vespene Gas to 25 Minerals and 75 Vespene Gas. Carrier • The build time for this unit has decreased from 120 to 105. • Build Interceptor now defaults to auto-cast. • Flux Vanes research now also increases Carrier speed from 1.875 to 2.25. Mothership • Cloaking Field radius increased from 5 to 6.5. • Speed increased from 1.4 to 1.875. Warp Gate • Units now take 25% additional damage while warping in. Archon • The pathing radius for this unit has been decreased. High Templar • Psionic storm now reveals cloaked and burrowed units. Sentry • Forcefields are now team-colored. Colossus • Colossi are no longer targetable without vision of high ground. Terran Ghost • Armor type changed from Biological-Psionic to Biological-Psionic-Light. Planetary Fortress • Attack priority decreased. Marauder • Bonus damage no longer applies to structures. Viking • The damage done by this unit in Fighter Mode has changed from 10 (+4 armored) to 8(+6 armored). Siege Tank • Damage changed from 50 to 35(+15 armored). • Weapon upgrade bonus decreased from +5 to 2(+3 armored). Reaper • Build time increased from 40 to 45 seconds. Raven • Seeker Missile range has been increased from 6 to 9. • Seeker Missile splash radius has been increased from 2 to 2.4 SCV: • Repairing an attacking unit or building now increases SCV attack priority. Thor • Thor model updated to reflect availability of 250mm cannon research. • 250mm Cannon can now be used on neutral and friendly structures. • Can now use Javelin missiles on Colossi. Player must manually Target the Colossi while outside of the range of Thor’s Hammer to activate. Missile Turret • Damage has been decreased from 12 to 8(+4 armored). Battlecruiser • Ground attack damage decreased from 10 to 8. • Speed increased from 1.41 to 1.875. Zerg Queen • Spawn larva energy cost decreased from 25 to 20. • New ability: Nest- binds Queen to targeted Hatchery, casting spawn larva every 50 seconds. Cannot attack or use abilities while nested. Burrow • Zerg units now receive +1 regeneration while burrowed in creep. Roach • Burrowed move speed increased from 1.4 to 2. Infestor • Neural Parasite research requirement removed. • Can no longer be used on unit type psionic. Ultralisk • Head Attack removed. Kaiser Blades now used against buildings. • Kaiser Blades damage decreased from 15 (+25 armored) to 15 (+20 armored). Nydus Worm • Now benefits from Burrow research. When using burrow, the Nydus Worm retreats beneath ground over 10 seconds. If it burrows without being destroyed, its 100/100 resource cost is returned to the player. Overlord/Overseer • Pneumatized Carapace cost decreased from 100/100 to 50/50. Bug Fixes • Fixed an issue with cloaked units casting shadows. • Fixed an issue where players were not receiving the Collector’s Edition Thor. • Fixed an issue causing increased frequency of play between random and arranged teams. General • Multi-threading improved. • Rally points can now be issued an attack move command. • Players may now rebind keys through the UI. • In the gameplay options menu, players may now toggle whether or not control groups are clickable. • Players may now adjust the gamespeed of challenges. Meh, doubt all of them will happen. I mean, auto cast spawn larvae? No way. Some of them will hopefully will change/remove wtvr. Some people say its fake but you never know. Found these on the battle.net forums, might be fake, might be true, who knows? :D Link can be found here: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/441827774 | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
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xnub
Canada610 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:46 SyyRaaaN wrote: Found these on the battle.net forums, might be fake, might be true, who knows? :D Link can be found here: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/441827774 They were fake | ||
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SyyRaaaN
Sweden136 Posts
They were fake Damn, some of those changes looked fresh :D | ||
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
Some of the changes would be nice though, like OL speed to 50/50 and +1 regen while burrowed on creep. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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esaul17
Canada547 Posts
Siege tank nerf was was good, and the other nerfs seem good for TvZ, I feel like PvT's early to midgame makes it very hard for toss to make it to late game without a disadvantage, and by late game they are barely even at best anyway. | ||
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xnub
Canada610 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:46 SyyRaaaN wrote: Found these on the battle.net forums, might be fake, might be true, who knows? :D Link can be found here: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/441827774 it would be more belivable if they made it so + armored dmg no longer hits buildings Not so just marauders + armored does not hit buildings lol. Blizzard would never single a unit dmg type like that. | ||
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