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On April 10 2011 04:22 DISHU wrote: Hi my name is LiquidTyler and I like to talk about other protoss bad play but I finihed 16th at MLg and got 3-0ed by thorzain. But MC play is stil bad. By your logic it's a good thing that you can critique tyler on his play because of all those MLG's, GSL's, and Dreamhacks YOU'VE won, right? ........
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MC lost to MKP due to his risky play. He still is a beast though. Never did anyone say MC was bad. Bias much?
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How has Tyler ever said other protosses were bad? White Ra vs MC he just explained how White Ra did a build, not based on ingame information wich hard countered MC's blink stalker build. And he just talked about not liking the all inish style of MC.
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posters like DISHU is the reason why pros rarely post in the teamliquid forum. Tyler never once said MC is a bad player.
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On April 10 2011 04:22 DISHU wrote: Hi my name is LiquidTyler and I like to talk about other protoss bad play but I finihed 16th at MLg and got 3-0ed by thorzain. But MC play is stil bad.
User was warned for this post Risky != bad play..
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A little bit pathetic to hurry over to this thread as fast as you can just to gloat over someone losing a tournament game.
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The gates of hell are now open, ready to unleash an horde of demons upon the vicinity of SoTG. Beware! The mighty ban hammer will prevail!
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Well, many europeans did not think tyler was winning that game. So he couldn't live up to a misguided hype, Big deal. Tylers whole team is in a major slump at the moment, that worries me more.
To bad that Tyler got DC at the exact right moment at the end of the game, I hope he emailed a gg to thorzain when the internet worked again.
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I am absolutely dumbfounded that people can tune into a Starcraft2 talk show and some how get fired up that they (the pillars) would talk critically about people's play even when they are "not as good."
Please please please... reevaluate this logic. Nobody calls up fucking ESPN and shouts into the phone "YOU AREN'T AS GOOD AS X ! ! !! ! HOW CAN YOU SPEAK THIS WAY?"
We as a community need to develop a bit of a backbone and kinda realize the way the world works in these regards. Nobody wants a show where each time the conversation turns to GSL we all just smile and go "well, no comment! I can't claim to be as good so I guess we just sit here and agree everything they did was superior."
It'd be one thing if tyler was like "LOLOLOL MC IS TRASHHHHHHHH" but instead he takes time out of his day each week to explain in amazing detail what he thinks could be improved/praised etc of someone's play and it is A TREMENDOUS ASSET to everyone listening. Please stop muddying up this thread and others with some petty shit talk because he just lost a huge match...whether tyler is right or wrong sucks or gosu he has a mind for this game 99% of you would do well to listen to. Even when you disagree with him the conjecture is a benefit to your SC2 development.
RESPECT plz
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Do people still not understand what Tyler means when he says: "Player X is a good player, but the style he uses isn't what made Brood War players good."
People should say: "Starcraft 2 isn't Brood War!"
And not: "Tyler isn't good! What does he know!? What has he accomplished!?"
At least the first argument would acknowledge that they understood what he meant. The second isn't even responding to the criticism; they're just saying random words. He said that MC was a good player. And yes, he can say MC is a good player and also make his criticism at the same time.
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Tyler isn't showing what he can do right now. If you've watched him stream, he plays brilliant games on the ladder. I think he's under a ton of pressure right now, and it's been affecting his tournament success.
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On April 10 2011 05:20 iNcontroL wrote: I am absolutely dumbfounded that people can tune into a Starcraft2 talk show and some how get fired up that they (the pillars) would talk critically about people's play even when they are "not as good."
Please please please... reevaluate this logic. Nobody calls up fucking ESPN and shouts into the phone "YOU AREN'T AS GOOD AS X ! ! !! ! HOW CAN YOU SPEAK THIS WAY?" He got warned and people were explaining why he's wrong before that. It's one guy.
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incontrol has a tendency to acknowledge and respond to trolls and haters far more often than fans and supporters lol
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Tyler points out flaws in other people's plays, because that's what he's on the show for as a progamer.
Otherwise they'd get Chill on the call and get him to do Politically Correct SotG.
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On April 10 2011 05:20 iNcontroL wrote: RESPECT plz
Trolls gonna troll Geoff.
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On April 10 2011 05:27 billyX333 wrote: incontrol has a tendency to acknowledge and respond to trolls and haters far more often than fans and supporters lol
that's how humans are
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Tyler never said MC was a bad player, but the fact that he did not say MC was a good player (in contrast to everyone else who might critique MC but always adds "he is still an amazing protoss", etc).
It's what he leaves out that might confuse some people. Personally I think it's just some macho-man attitude, Tyler doesn't want to give props to MC because he doesn't like the way he plays OR he thinks he can beat him, both of which are up to debate. It's also possible that Tyler just isn't the type of person to give other people props. I haven't paid attention to his speech patterns and opinions of other players in a long time.
I'm going to guess that if someone were to directly ask Tyler if he thought MC was a good player, he would absolutely answer "Yes" (and a couple other critiques).
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Cower before Incontrol and his +1 trolls masher mace!
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On April 10 2011 05:31 StyLeD wrote: Tyler never said MC was a bad player, but the fact that he did not say MC was a good player (in contrast to everyone else who might critique MC but always adds "he is still an amazing protoss", etc). ' I am quite certain every time Tyler mentions MC, he says exactly that lol.
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