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Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
April 15 2013 19:48 GMT
#53141
On April 15 2013 11:56 HeeroFX wrote:
all i gotta say is....haha



omg that was gold... I miss the original cast
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
April 15 2013 19:56 GMT
#53142
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2013 11:56 HeeroFX wrote:
all i gotta say is....haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5eXuOPOxAY

Well, christmas come only once a year ...
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
April 15 2013 20:17 GMT
#53143
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 15 2013 20:21 GMT
#53144
On April 13 2013 08:32 HeeroFX wrote:
Really interesting stuff catz and artosis talked about. Catz did really well to paint the picture. Like honestly if your a foreign player trying to make something happen in SC 2 you should follow suppy's route. Suppy competes at big events, but he is also going to college. You should get that degree to have that back up plan. I think it is up to teams and even event organiziors to help support players. Koreans in team houses have everything taken care of. So if you they only have to worry about playing you will always do better than the guy who has to pay bills, cook food. I seriously don't think people should go for pro gaming as a career right now unless you have some sort of support, be that your parents house, or a Team. But you can't just say I am gonna quit college or going to work to play.



and how many western organisations have the funds to support a player like suppy who isnt delivering ROI for them full time? most teams cant afford flights for stuff like that.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 19 2013 03:38 GMT
#53145
so when are they going to talk about the dong and irena liu??
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
April 19 2013 03:51 GMT
#53146
LOL InControl with the sex reference.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
April 19 2013 04:35 GMT
#53147
On April 13 2013 12:57 YyapSsap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 09:15 BuddhaMonk wrote:
On April 13 2013 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
another cultural difference (stereotype):

18yr old korean: live with family (especially 1st born)
18yr old western: gtfo go solo

maybe that has something to do with enough time vs not enough time.


This is actually wrong.

In Korea there is a culture of young teens moving out of the home to go apprentice full time at some kind of trade house. This includes music, acting, and pro-gaming among other trades. The main difference between Korea and the west is that parents are more open to the idea of a 14 year old going off and living in a pro-gaming house to train and become a pro gamer.

In NA it wouldn't be culturally acceptable even if those opportunities existed, which they don't. Thus, the average age of your up-and-coming pro gamer in NA is much older than Korea because of how their recruitment system works. When you're able to immerse a young person that is still developing in a pro-gaming environment, it's no wonder they do better than the west. In NA, the same is done for regular sports (sports camps, high school organized play etc..) where they get the talented players at a young age and immerse them in the sport. The age factor is critical.

Also, the idea that everyone in NA moves out at 18 is totally false, and in fact the trend is that kids are staying at home (and coming back home after college) more and more, even into their late 20's.



Maybe Im getting old but since when did Korean parents were more open to the idea of their kids becoming progamers? That would be the ultimate humiliation to their parents in this current/previous generation of oldies. It'd be so absurd and ridiculous that they'd abandon you and kick you outta the house along with throwing down the PC from a 30 storey apartment..

I have no idea what makes people think "progaming" is actually accepted in Korea as a legitimate profession (although its getting there ever so slowly). Its okay being a fan because your not directly involved in it, but having it as a profession is a whole new different thing. The amount of scrutiny you have to overcome from the society is huge and more so years ago during the Boxer/Nada era where there was simply nothing. Those guys lived off instant noodles, no team houses or teams, no salary etc.

Catz fails to see this in context. He doesn't realise just how much sacrifice/effort was made/put into by alot of people to see what we see today from the past 15 years or so. An image of "progaming and esports" in Korea being sort of a legitimate profession and sport with established leagues/teams, sponsors etc. Thats why many don't understand (on TL atleast) why so many people who were involved in making this possible in Korea backlashed so hard when Savior almost pulled the plug on the entire Korean Scene with match fixing scandal.

Based on my own personal experience, these sort of "opportunities" are more open in the western culture hence why its acceptable to not go to an university where as in Asia you'll be looked down upon and treated as a no one. That's why its so amazing to see how esports have gotten this far in Korea which is suffering hugely from all this high society *** attitude and academic qualification paranoia..


Good post, I agree very much, and would like to also give a nod to your statement about CatZ (seeing as it's very current, and how loud he seems in the community).
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 14:23:31
April 19 2013 14:20 GMT
#53148
I really wish you'd get could find another Terran who thinks about mech differently JP so him and theognis could talk together. It was a great show again and Geoff was once again fantastic, but I always feel so let down when despite loads of people playing mech, theognis continues to just write mech off as gimmicky when even lategame in Game 3 Maru could have won that game had he played it out better and not got over-eager to win.
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 14:27:55
April 19 2013 14:26 GMT
#53149
On April 19 2013 23:20 Qikz wrote:
I really wish you'd get could find another Terran who thinks about mech differently JP so him and theognis could talk together. It was a great show again and Geoff was once again fantastic, but I always feel so let down when despite loads of people playing mech, theognis continues to just write mech off as gimmicky when even lategame in Game 3 Maru could have won that game had he played it out better and not got over-eager to win.
O.O Mech in HOTS revolves around early hellbat drop damage or splitting the map in half (which you can't do on 95% of the maps out there cept for like Akilon and Daybreak). I don't think mech is terribad but bio is always a better option TvZ atm in the current metagame. I don't think I'm incredibly biased against mech or anything. I was one of the biggest mech terrans in WOL.
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ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1683 Posts
April 19 2013 14:29 GMT
#53150
where is artosis for this episode???? Is it true hes not gonna be on it anymore? (heard from chat)
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JacobDaKung
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Sweden132 Posts
April 19 2013 15:56 GMT
#53151
Can anyone link the talk where mrbitter and rotterdam talks about NASL and wcs?
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3315 Posts
April 19 2013 16:14 GMT
#53152
On April 20 2013 00:56 JacobDaKung wrote:
Can anyone link the talk where mrbitter and rotterdam talks about NASL and wcs?

You mean announcing that they can't cast day 4?
http://www.twitch.tv/nasltv/b/392101720
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
April 19 2013 16:26 GMT
#53153
On April 15 2013 11:56 HeeroFX wrote:
all i gotta say is....haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5eXuOPOxAY


I thought I watched pretty muvh every SotG there is, but apparently I didn't.
This is comedy gold lol.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 16:35:31
April 19 2013 16:34 GMT
#53154
On April 16 2013 04:48 Irre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 11:56 HeeroFX wrote:
all i gotta say is....haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5eXuOPOxAY



omg that was gold... I miss the original cast

The SOTG of now is more professional which definitely isn't bad however the old cast of SOTG was more fun,because it brought a unique set of personalities together and it just made the show into an amazing informative but also hilarious show.
The show of now is more informative with slight hints of humour.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
April 19 2013 17:45 GMT
#53155
On April 19 2013 23:26 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 23:20 Qikz wrote:
I really wish you'd get could find another Terran who thinks about mech differently JP so him and theognis could talk together. It was a great show again and Geoff was once again fantastic, but I always feel so let down when despite loads of people playing mech, theognis continues to just write mech off as gimmicky when even lategame in Game 3 Maru could have won that game had he played it out better and not got over-eager to win.
O.O Mech in HOTS revolves around early hellbat drop damage or splitting the map in half (which you can't do on 95% of the maps out there cept for like Akilon and Daybreak). I don't think mech is terribad but bio is always a better option TvZ atm in the current metagame. I don't think I'm incredibly biased against mech or anything. I was one of the biggest mech terrans in WOL.


I think I might have over-reacted somewhat since all I've heard you say is pretty much what you've said the past couple of SOTG's because unfortunately I never had a chance to watch you stream/read before. I guess I just worry as someone who loves mech, that when community figures such as yourself outright call mech gimmicky that a lot of players who listen/read that at maybe lower levels will just write it off completely. Maybe I don't have enough faith in the StarCraft community members to not take every word as stone cold fact, but the less people who play mech, the less people start to figure it out.

I understand bio is better in TvZ currently, but I mean that's the same in every matchup as mech was never really "figured out" to the point of bio in SC2 since nobody really used it outside of MVP at the highest levels, but calling mech gimmicky at this stage when it's still being figured out made me somewhat miffed, so sorry If I offended you at all, I certainly didn't mean to. I'd just love to listen to you and Strelok (just an example of a mecher I guess) have a discussion because I can't remember the last time there was a discussion between Terrans on SOTG, it'd be really interesting to listen to :p
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pulperi
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland87 Posts
April 22 2013 22:24 GMT
#53156
So who's gonna replace artosis on the show and why is he stepping down ? :o
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 22 2013 22:33 GMT
#53157
On April 23 2013 07:24 pulperi wrote:
So who's gonna replace artosis on the show and why is he stepping down ? :o


is this real? I haven't been able to watch the last 2 episodes yet but can anyone confirm no more artosis? This would really suck, I could listen to artosis talk about starcraft for hourssssssss every day.
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MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
April 22 2013 22:37 GMT
#53158
Loving the more regular show schedule. Thanks for that and keeping audio downloads as an option!
Nihn'kas Neehn
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
April 22 2013 22:38 GMT
#53159
On April 20 2013 02:45 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 23:26 ROOTheognis wrote:
On April 19 2013 23:20 Qikz wrote:
I really wish you'd get could find another Terran who thinks about mech differently JP so him and theognis could talk together. It was a great show again and Geoff was once again fantastic, but I always feel so let down when despite loads of people playing mech, theognis continues to just write mech off as gimmicky when even lategame in Game 3 Maru could have won that game had he played it out better and not got over-eager to win.
O.O Mech in HOTS revolves around early hellbat drop damage or splitting the map in half (which you can't do on 95% of the maps out there cept for like Akilon and Daybreak). I don't think mech is terribad but bio is always a better option TvZ atm in the current metagame. I don't think I'm incredibly biased against mech or anything. I was one of the biggest mech terrans in WOL.


I think I might have over-reacted somewhat since all I've heard you say is pretty much what you've said the past couple of SOTG's because unfortunately I never had a chance to watch you stream/read before. I guess I just worry as someone who loves mech, that when community figures such as yourself outright call mech gimmicky that a lot of players who listen/read that at maybe lower levels will just write it off completely. Maybe I don't have enough faith in the StarCraft community members to not take every word as stone cold fact, but the less people who play mech, the less people start to figure it out.

I understand bio is better in TvZ currently, but I mean that's the same in every matchup as mech was never really "figured out" to the point of bio in SC2 since nobody really used it outside of MVP at the highest levels, but calling mech gimmicky at this stage when it's still being figured out made me somewhat miffed, so sorry If I offended you at all, I certainly didn't mean to. I'd just love to listen to you and Strelok (just an example of a mecher I guess) have a discussion because I can't remember the last time there was a discussion between Terrans on SOTG, it'd be really interesting to listen to :p


Dont we have Artosis? I mean the guy worships mech even still when he is protoss. The guy still believe in his heart and soul that mech is viable in WOL and pretty sure he think so too in HOTS. Would love to hear Artosis defend his love of mech and its viability as well.
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pulperi
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland87 Posts
April 22 2013 22:48 GMT
#53160
On April 23 2013 07:33 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 07:24 pulperi wrote:
So who's gonna replace artosis on the show and why is he stepping down ? :o


is this real? I haven't been able to watch the last 2 episodes yet but can anyone confirm no more artosis? This would really suck, I could listen to artosis talk about starcraft for hourssssssss every day.




JP says Artosis wont be on the show "in the near future".
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