EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2476
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Reedjr
United States228 Posts
Edit: JP McDaniel @itmeJP At this point I should just say @StateOfTheGame is dead and then announce a new show called @StateOfTheGame when we are ready #contractslol Seems to me we shouldn't expect to get back in the swing of things any time soon... | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:55 Reedjr wrote: I can get my iNcontroL fix from steaming and ITG and my JP fix from Real Talk, but how am I supposed to get my Nony fix, man? I'm jonesing for the chill Toss's sweet voice explaining things in the most calm and reasonable way possible. Edit: Seems to me we shouldn't expect to get back in the swing of things any time soon... For those who are concerned about State of the Game or wonder why it is taking so long, there is a simple answer. Contracts are complicate. They suck between two parties and take a ton of time, effort and redrafting. I write them in my line of work and they are the worst thing in the world. Because a contract is a list of expectations and requirements, people want to make sure that it does not conflict or prohibit them from doing something that they want to do. I have never had to work on sponsorship contracts, but I know they can be difficult if there is a risk of conflicting sponsors. Getting all parties on the same page can be a real chore and can take a ton of time. This contract is between all of the hosts and the sponsor(s). Needless to stay, the task is likely a huge pain and getting everyone to feel good about the contract is likely taking a lot of calls, explaining and re-explaining(you do a lot of re-explaining stuff in law, one time is not enough) parts of the contract. Finally, for people who want to know why JP and the guys aren’t talking about the contract, there is a good reason for that. One sure fire way to blow up a contract is to talk about it and the difficulties with the contract publicly. The risk of mis-information or one party getting bad information is very high, even if you try to keep everyone up to date. It is impossible to keep everyone appraised of everything all the time, so the best route is to “let the lawyers deal with it”. It keeps the number of people talking to a minimum and misunderstandings to a level that will only make a few people want to hang themselves. But JP, thanks for the update. I love the title for your new show. Good lock with those contracts. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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tsuxiit
1305 Posts
JP sees himself as having to make the show "better" and work incredibly hard to make it something that he thinks represents himself and his career (now that he no longer works for MLG), rather than simply letting the show be what it is as it was in the early episodes. I can hope that the new show will provide better content, but seeing as what made the best episodes good was an inherent lack of trying, we're left to conclude that future episodes will be an entirely different show. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:48 Terranist wrote: i remember when SOTG used to be about the state of the game and wasnt a big fucking mess of player contracts with sponsors forcing multiple hosts to leave and serious drama that follows. it's rather stupid that a "contract" is going to prevent you from calling your friends on skype and talking about a game. Tell that to the assholes begging for the show to be more professional We've seen them just wing it and it ends up being a shitstorm of "well they clearly lost their passion" | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:48 Terranist wrote: i remember when SOTG used to be about the state of the game and wasnt a big fucking mess of player contracts with sponsors forcing multiple hosts to leave and serious drama that follows. it's rather stupid that a "contract" is going to prevent you from calling your friends on skype and talking about a game. You may wish to pay more attention as to why SOTG is having trouble putting on a show. Its not because of sponsors, it is because everyone is super busy working. The contract is not preventing the show, but the sponsor will allow them to justify the time and allow them to get paid for devoting the time to the show. | ||
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bellyfrog
New Zealand72 Posts
Nevertheless, when SOTG is ready to return I'm sure everyone will be very appreciative, well, nearly everyone  | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2781 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:42 Plansix wrote: You may wish to pay more attention as to why SOTG is having trouble putting on a show. Its not because of sponsors, it is because everyone is super busy working. The contract is not preventing the show, but the sponsor will allow them to justify the time and allow them to get paid for devoting the time to the show. nah man, it's just corporate bullshit. It doesn't even have to be the same 4-5 people every week. If they're all so busy and can't coordinate schedules, just get more guests. It -was- the most popular show, they wouldn't have problems getting a qxc, demuslim, or TLO to fill in at the very busiest of times to talk about starcraft for a couple of hours. i don't remember too many people calling for more professionalism, just less tabloid talk and more discussion about strategy and tournament games. there was a period wherein incontrol just dug up forum drama and other really annoying, meaningless debate that dragged on and on and on. that's what most people, from what i remember, really didn't like. the earlier shows, before they were self-aware of what they were doing right enough NOT to go ahead and fuck it up, were the best. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 23 2012 06:57 RogerChillingworth wrote: nah man, it's just corporate bullshit. It doesn't even have to be the same 4-5 people every week. If they're all so busy and can't coordinate schedules, just get more guests. It -was- the most popular show, they wouldn't have problems getting a qxc, demuslim, or TLO to fill in at the very busiest of times to talk about starcraft for a couple of hours. i don't remember too many people calling for more professionalism, just less tabloid talk and more discussion about strategy and tournament games. there was a period wherein incontrol just dug up forum drama and other really annoying, meaningless debate that dragged on and on and on. that's what most people, from what i remember, really didn't like. the earlier shows, before they were self-aware of what they were doing right enough NOT to go ahead and fuck it up, were the best. I love the phrase "corporate bullshit", because it so easily labels the speaker as someone who knows nothing about business or the professional world. State of the Game has always been a free service, which was created by the hosts during their free time. As Esports ramped up, people got less and less free time to do what they wanted. Things that are free do not last forever. That is the flaw with free, unpaid shows. At some point, life for the people making the show changes and they are no longer able to do it. That is why securing funding is so important. It allows them to make money off of doing the show and have a budget to make the show easier. I am sure JP would love to pay someone to rip the MP3 and vod so he didn't have to stay up until 2 in the morning doing it every time. | ||
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Nomzter
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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JackDT
724 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:49 tsuxiit wrote: JP sees himself as having to make the show "better" and work incredibly hard to make it something that he thinks represents himself and his career (now that he no longer works for MLG), rather than simply letting the show be what it is as it was in the early episodes. I can hope that the new show will provide better content, but seeing as what made the best episodes good was an inherent lack of trying, we're left to conclude that future episodes will be an entirely different show. I agree in the sense that trying to make a perfect show with high production quality can be counterproductive -- done is better than perfect. And the informal nature of the show, the non-professional air, is a strength from some angles. That's what drew a lot of people in to the show. It didn't feel like a SHOW, it just felt like a bunch of friends who love the game chatting about it like real people. It's casual, it's real. But... there's no reason why he couldn't do both. Chat with some people once a week informally and call it something else until you get all the ducks in a row for the 'real' show. I caught inControl taking questions informally on his raid call thing from the audience. What started as a bunch of trolls eventually became a really interesting and good conversation. I was really surprised how well a totally unplanned and even unfiltered (hence the trolling) call worked. And it went on for hours. http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/329098956?t=8h (Just linking to a random segment, it starts hours before that). | ||
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MattyClutch
United States711 Posts
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