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xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
July 02 2012 01:35 GMT
#49081
On July 01 2012 17:43 xOny wrote:
how the fuck do you people justify calling EG/sponsors? he wasn't even treated that bad compared to how they treat Artosis sometimes. He talked a ton of shit about SOTG for not having a Terran, and then suddenly acts like the victim once he sees the community starting a storm. Pathetic.

quote's from his twitter (he talked even more shit about SOTG in this thread when he demanded be on):
Show nested quote +
Come at me SOTG, want to talk about the "State of the Game" then get a Terran on your show otherwise don't talk.

to this..
Show nested quote +
That's how they treat everyone if you are not superstar status or they do not like you/your opinions. Quite disgusting indeed.

Oh you were digusted Avilo? Maybe you shouldn't have talked so much fucking shit about SOTG and its hosts.. example:
Show nested quote +
yep, well, don't know what's more of a joke. SOTG or incontrol thinking he's any good at this game.


HOW do you people not understand that AVILO is not the victim? he wasn't completely innocent when he got on the call? He had said beforehand things like the above (that iNcontrol is a bad player), and that SOTG is a joke.. this community is pathetic and needs to understand the context of a situation before you contact sponsors/teams.


the main difference is when they make fun of artosis because they are really close friends. Like I can call my best friends douchebags all day, they know I'm their bro and its actually used to show how close we are since we don't give a shit. I got their back when it is needed. Avilo and incontrol/idra don't have that close of a friendship so it is just an insult.
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
July 02 2012 02:59 GMT
#49082
I'm going to condense my responses to a single post because despite what some of you may like to believe, this isn't about me or even avilo at this point. It is about the general lack of respect shown by individuals who want to represent professional eSports.


@farvacola, trust me your hypothetical Angel of Death wouldn't tell me anything I don't already know. Still I won't waste my time always searching for those wasted years.

@Bashion, there's a difference between the general ladder rage of insulting people and having a superiority complex that makes you sincerely think you're entitled to hold 99% of the StarCraft community in utter contempt.

@iGoTThiZ, even if my complaint to EG sponsors (which for the record I haven't written yet but will after the holiday on the 4th) was so incredibly persuasive they all immediately dropped support and EG had to disband immediately, the only trouble any of the players would have is deciding which of the dozen offers from other teams to take.

@darthfoley, stop posting? no u! lol

@elmizzt, oh, uh, about 11, sir.

@RedBlack, Keep it up and I'll write your sponsors too. For those who didn't look it up, "twonk" is a derogitary term, roughly equivalent to idiot. More insulting than berk, but less insulting that gimp. Sidenote, it's a shame "berk" is less insulting because it's certainly more fun to say but I guess it's too close to "jerk" to catch on.

@freakhill, mentioning Orb brings up an interesting comparison. iNcontroL can, for example, say he would punch CombatEX in the mouth and knock him out and he would do so to further eSports. Well yeah it's big talk and he probably actually wouldn't do it and he'd have a strong defense of being provoked even if he did but thank God he didn't call him a nigger! He can make lewd jokes about a former pornstar because hey former pornstar, and call avilo a shithead because no one's confusing avilo for White-Ra or Sheth, and tell a large section of the StarCraft community "Fuck you forever" because what do we matter (most of us aren't even Masters level players!) and it's all good. SirScoots approved. Buy an EG shirt! But heaven help you if you use the N word. A year ago. To some random person online who probably isn't even black. EG has standards and don't let anyone ever tell you different.
RedBack
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia102 Posts
July 02 2012 03:04 GMT
#49083
On July 02 2012 11:59 dvorakftw wrote:
I'm going to condense my responses to a single post because despite what some of you may like to believe, this isn't about me or even avilo at this point. It is about the general lack of respect shown by individuals who want to represent professional eSports.


@farvacola, trust me your hypothetical Angel of Death wouldn't tell me anything I don't already know. Still I won't waste my time always searching for those wasted years.

@Bashion, there's a difference between the general ladder rage of insulting people and having a superiority complex that makes you sincerely think you're entitled to hold 99% of the StarCraft community in utter contempt.

@iGoTThiZ, even if my complaint to EG sponsors (which for the record I haven't written yet but will after the holiday on the 4th) was so incredibly persuasive they all immediately dropped support and EG had to disband immediately, the only trouble any of the players would have is deciding which of the dozen offers from other teams to take.

@darthfoley, stop posting? no u! lol

@elmizzt, oh, uh, about 11, sir.

@RedBlack, Keep it up and I'll write your sponsors too. For those who didn't look it up, "twonk" is a derogitary term, roughly equivalent to idiot. More insulting than berk, but less insulting that gimp. Sidenote, it's a shame "berk" is less insulting because it's certainly more fun to say but I guess it's too close to "jerk" to catch on.

@freakhill, mentioning Orb brings up an interesting comparison. iNcontroL can, for example, say he would punch CombatEX in the mouth and knock him out and he would do so to further eSports. Well yeah it's big talk and he probably actually wouldn't do it and he'd have a strong defense of being provoked even if he did but thank God he didn't call him a nigger! He can make lewd jokes about a former pornstar because hey former pornstar, and call avilo a shithead because no one's confusing avilo for White-Ra or Sheth, and tell a large section of the StarCraft community "Fuck you forever" because what do we matter (most of us aren't even Masters level players!) and it's all good. SirScoots approved. Buy an EG shirt! But heaven help you if you use the N word. A year ago. To some random person online who probably isn't even black. EG has standards and don't let anyone ever tell you different.



@dvorakftw

Ive never seen such a self important little twonk/idiot/berk/gimp/jerk (pick one) before, i spose no one in real life listens too you so you have to try your luck here?


User was temp banned for this post.
thunder54
Profile Joined March 2011
38 Posts
July 02 2012 03:05 GMT
#49084
The show was great I was actually enjoying the qxc idra discussion, but it was spoiled I don't think it's idra's fault he should be pissed for being thrown under the bus like that, the problem is incontrol and jp are not doing there jobs properly.

Incontrols job is to be a clown, his good at it the show needs some homour, but dude needs to learn to be quiet when the smart people are discussing starcraft, believe it or not I watch the show to hear discussion about starcraft, there is one great prostoss one great terran and one great zerg on the show when they talk you should shut up when there is a pause or someone needs to say something stupid or controversial then go right ahead thats your spot.

Jp control your show better, respect your guests and moderate your discussions impartially, kissing your favourites asses and not hosting properly makes you look unprofessional and immature.

I get that you both do the show for free basically, but you both live off e-sports and the show keeps you in e-sports especially cause incontrols results compared to other pro's are pretty embarrasing.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
July 02 2012 03:15 GMT
#49085
hello everyone sometimes things happen and that only means that they happened and really who cares what happens if u care well maybe just this once you should try not caring and see what happens
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
July 02 2012 04:29 GMT
#49086
This is getting old, we really need some new scandal to rage aboutg.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 02 2012 04:45 GMT
#49087
I'll just pop in here to say that the people still carrying on about this are bonafied drama queens. This controversy has run its course, every point has been made in the discussion and the hosts have been thoroughly criticized. There is absolutely no reason to continue beating the dead horse unless you are, well, a drama queen.

And before you call me hypocritical for posting in the thread. Someone has to say it so that newcomers who are reading this thread will see that there are in fact reasonable people on the forum, and the people going on and on in the thread are really just the vocal minority.
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
July 02 2012 04:46 GMT
#49088
I can't believe this "controversy" was caused by Avilo, he is a fuckin clown and deserves little to no respect based on how he handles himself.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
July 02 2012 05:14 GMT
#49089
On July 02 2012 08:15 dvorakftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
Regardless I watched the clip (I've never watched even a single segment of SOTG so I wasn't even sure exactly what it was), but really all I saw was Avilo speaking about TvZ lategame from his perspective, which was fine, but then when IdrA went to speak, he interrupted him. .

Weird, you seemed to have missed all the times avilo was interrupted.
And can we skip the follow-up "But then avilo twisted IdrA's words!!!111" whinge?


I'm not whining. I don't care. Clearly you do. You may have failed to read the part where I said I had never watched SOTG in the past.

The fact people can get so worked up about shit like this (and be so "proud" to "do what is right" even though the majority think it's wrong) is mindboggling to me. You seem like you're 16.
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
July 02 2012 05:25 GMT
#49090
On July 02 2012 14:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 08:15 dvorakftw wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
Regardless I watched the clip (I've never watched even a single segment of SOTG so I wasn't even sure exactly what it was), but really all I saw was Avilo speaking about TvZ lategame from his perspective, which was fine, but then when IdrA went to speak, he interrupted him. .

Weird, you seemed to have missed all the times avilo was interrupted.
And can we skip the follow-up "But then avilo twisted IdrA's words!!!111" whinge?


I'm not whining. I don't care. Clearly you do. You may have failed to read the part where I said I had never watched SOTG in the past.

The fact people can get so worked up about shit like this (and be so "proud" to "do what is right" even though the majority think it's wrong) is mindboggling to me. You seem like you're 16.

I'm eighteen and I like it.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 02 2012 05:42 GMT
#49091
On July 02 2012 14:25 dvorakftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 14:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On July 02 2012 08:15 dvorakftw wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
Regardless I watched the clip (I've never watched even a single segment of SOTG so I wasn't even sure exactly what it was), but really all I saw was Avilo speaking about TvZ lategame from his perspective, which was fine, but then when IdrA went to speak, he interrupted him. .

Weird, you seemed to have missed all the times avilo was interrupted.
And can we skip the follow-up "But then avilo twisted IdrA's words!!!111" whinge?


I'm not whining. I don't care. Clearly you do. You may have failed to read the part where I said I had never watched SOTG in the past.

The fact people can get so worked up about shit like this (and be so "proud" to "do what is right" even though the majority think it's wrong) is mindboggling to me. You seem like you're 16.

I'm eighteen and I like it.


wow you sure showed him.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
oopsyoucantmove
Profile Joined February 2011
United States39 Posts
July 02 2012 05:51 GMT
#49092
I just want to say that I love Idra, SOTG and everyone on it, and that was, an AMAZINGLY entertaining show - do it more.

TY Idra for making me laugh my ass off at that kid
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
July 02 2012 06:48 GMT
#49093
On July 02 2012 14:25 dvorakftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 14:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On July 02 2012 08:15 dvorakftw wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
Regardless I watched the clip (I've never watched even a single segment of SOTG so I wasn't even sure exactly what it was), but really all I saw was Avilo speaking about TvZ lategame from his perspective, which was fine, but then when IdrA went to speak, he interrupted him. .

Weird, you seemed to have missed all the times avilo was interrupted.
And can we skip the follow-up "But then avilo twisted IdrA's words!!!111" whinge?


I'm not whining. I don't care. Clearly you do. You may have failed to read the part where I said I had never watched SOTG in the past.

The fact people can get so worked up about shit like this (and be so "proud" to "do what is right" even though the majority think it's wrong) is mindboggling to me. You seem like you're 16.

I'm eighteen and I like it.


Such a badass.
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
July 02 2012 06:50 GMT
#49094
<3
"En taro adun, Executor."
CabelD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States131 Posts
July 02 2012 06:55 GMT
#49095
This whole situation is pretty pathetic. You guys need to grow up and help eSports grow, not create problems in the community.
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
July 02 2012 07:31 GMT
#49096
WHO CARES
Hudson Valley Progamer
OGzan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 07:37:57
July 02 2012 07:37 GMT
#49097
Honestly, I would hate to be in the sc2 public eye. There are so many people who make a big deal out of nothing. This is such a casual show that it can't even be taken seriously. These dudes are just fucking around, why should they have to be on their best behavior in a casual stream. It's way more interesting to get a more down to earth view of these players as opposed to the business-man approach.

That being said, I still <3 SOTG
(Zan) :: http://www.twitch.tv/byzantiumsc :: Terran Player currently teamless ::
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 02 2012 07:40 GMT
#49098
On July 02 2012 08:06 dvorakftw wrote:
Hi everyone. I'm back. Hope you didn't miss me.

During my unplanned time-off I decided that I am going to contact EG's sponsors. I expect apathy from them, ridicule from EG, and scorn from the "Don't kill eSports" crowd. So be it.

IdrA and iNcontroL have shown an unrepentant attitude of disrespect toward all but a handful and SirScoots is okay with this. While this is nothing new, it has reached a point where I am no longer interested in them or their events and that is something sponsors should know.

Don't worry anyone. I'm just one guy and I will recommend to the sponsors that they continue with eSports but that they should and can find better teams and players to support. And don't worry EG fans, even if all the sponsors were to leave the team, I am certain they will continue just fine from shirt sales and stream revenues.

I didn't watch IdrA's stream much since he never seemed to commentate or interact with viewers and there was often something wrong with his audio that made all the songs he played sound like a broken washing machine but iNcontroL had been moving up my list. Hard to hate a stream that plays songs by In Flames, even if it tended to be the new stuff.

Whatever. They won't miss me and I won't miss them and I don't expect my letters to their sponsors to have any effect at all. In fact, I encourage EG to print this post, frame it, put it on the wall, and drink a toast to me every time they get a new sponsor.

Still, I'm surprised and disappointed that for all the "let's build eSports" talk I've heard from iNcontroL, he, unlike Sundance, doesn't get it. He says the last two SotG episodes were bad but it doesn't look like he understands why people are complaining. You got a lot of growing up to do, buddy.


There's overreacting, and then there's overreacting. Jesus H Christ.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 02 2012 07:57 GMT
#49099
I'm guessing Idra has said something?
I am not young enough to know everything.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 02 2012 08:07 GMT
#49100
Funny idra calling ppl terrible... guess its all relative eh?
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