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On June 30 2012 02:47 Zach426 wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is still up in arms about all of this. Everyone just needs to go get some rays poolside and relax and realize all of this is petty stuff. Have a beer or three!
I think everybody is just bored because there aren't any big tournaments going on right now. That's my theory, at least. 
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On June 30 2012 02:41 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:32 ohampatu wrote:On June 30 2012 02:31 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote:
Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game. No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now. glad to see you skip the quote i posted, you could use some of it or why dont you go back to gamestop or something. we have enough bad programers that are failing at being esport celebrities edit: i mean, like, there is no 'reason' to treat him like that. no person deserves what you did, yet you believe that your in the right somehow Holy shit its like I'm reading a transcript from a Thomas the Tank Engine afterschool special on how to treat others. Your appraisal of "reason" means very little to very few people, so why not save the poorly constructed Gamestop insults for summer camp stand-up night. Geoff, please stop responding to these people and keep bein a boss.
Best post yet. I love how everyone wants respect, but does not really understand that the host and the guests have interacted before. They already have a history and may not like eachother.
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On June 30 2012 01:00 Ballack wrote:
I find it peculiar that people are reacting to how the Idra - Avilo "debate" ended. Avilo was acting like a child trying to put words in Greg's mouth, if someone did that to me in a similar situation, I would have gotten furious. Just saying "that's it I don't want to talk to him anymore" I think was an apt measure to take in that situation. If anyone is surprised of the namecalling and are suddenly taking offense to it, well what can I say, that's how Idra has been for years.
I actually took more offense to how Geoff has been treating Avilo the last couple of weeks. I know Avilo can be quite a character and he can be offensive/act childish to others, I don't think he deserves the bullying he gets from Geoff. Geoff is very good at making jokes about people, and most of the time they are funny and harmless. But Avilo has written in this very thread that he feels he's being treated disrespectfully by Geoff and it was the first thing he took up when he entered the call.
Now I didn't really think very much of it before this week when Geoff numerous times brought up his "Avilo impression". Stuff like that is what really gets to me because it can be so harmful and it is so asinine. Let me first distinguish the impressions Geoff does that's funny and appropriate from this. That are the impressions that targets groups of people. For example his Swedish accent, or German, or even TBs accent as it's really just a British accent. When it's used in such broad terms I don't think it should or does affect anyone, it's all done in good fun and it's funny.
When you target specific people and make fun of them for a specific demeanor or way of speech, it instantly turns into a dickish move. Why is this? Because it targets that person specifically and opens up potential scrutiny towards that person. If this is done to someone who's Geoff's friend and it goes without saying he's just busting his friends' balls, it's ok. But as far as I know Geoff don't know Avilo that well and they are certainly not good friends. This means that Geoff don't have the information needed to know how Avilo feels about being made fun of for his speech impairment. For all Geoff knows Avilo might have been bullied for this earlier in his life and this brings that up to light (Note that I'm making some assumptions here, if they are not true then my targeted point goes out the window). Geoff knows this and fully agrees with me. Why do I say that? Because he made about the same exact point when talking to Destiny about the use of the word "rape", albeit that targets a lot of people while this targets only one person (perhaps other people with similar speech impairments is offended though I don't know). Also, when Geoff made fun of Kellymilkies he apologized after she took offense to it, why is this situation any different? Avilo is a very controversial figure who certainly gets a lot of hate towards him (much of it he is responsible for himself), he does not have a high status in the community, is making fun of his speech at any rate fair or a justified source of enjoyment? Especially when Geoff as a prominent figure in the community does it in front of thousands of people on multiple shows. I don't think it is nice at all, it's actually quite asinine, and I am surprised Geoff doesn't realize this.
/rant
On the other hand, loved the show and I liked to listen to the TvZ discussion, even though I'm a protoss myself. As Idra has hinted at, TvZ and PvZ are very boring and silly match-ups right now, hopefully HotS will change that!
Good job!
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On June 29 2012 23:48 Barleyarley wrote:
Also, '80 drones' is obviously just and exaggeration to empahsis his point, you shouldn't take things like this at face value.
80 drones is not an exaggeration. Go look at Game 1 of MKP vs DRG at MLG Spring championship from Anaheim. 80 drones before 10 minutes and if MKP ran his hellions past the queens they wouldn't come back alive and the next production cycle from DRG would steamroll MKP.
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On June 30 2012 02:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:47 Zach426 wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is still up in arms about all of this. Everyone just needs to go get some rays poolside and relax and realize all of this is petty stuff. Have a beer or three! I think everybody is just bored because there aren't any big tournaments going on right now. That's my theory, at least.
For me, I just don't like seeing people get taken down in front of an audience. I actually really don't like Avilo because I think he's whiny, but I still wouldn't sink to such levels.
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On June 30 2012 02:38 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:35 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:32 ohampatu wrote:On June 30 2012 02:31 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote:
Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game. No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now. glad to see you skip the quote i posted, you could use some of it or why dont you go back to gamestop or something. we have enough bad programers that are failing at being esport celebrities edit: i mean, like, there is no 'reason' to treat him like that. no person deserves what you did, yet you believe that your in the right somehow haha you are so classic.. tell me to "go back to gamestop" because I am a "failed progamer" but then go on to lecture me about being nice.. HAHAHA This is my last response to you. Relish it, it's the most you will ever matter to SC2. Sigh, you are a really conceited person. It's becoming more and more apparent that Western progamers are drunk on fame.
HA! Like Idra needs to be famous to be BM like that. Or Icontrol trolltanking a TL thread, Yeah he does that because he's famous. Have you youngsters never heard of this clan called [Media]
Them kids know nothing these days.
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On June 30 2012 02:45 Clow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:25 Fueled wrote:
This is truly why we can't have nice things.
I'm a strong supporter of professionalism, but you can't hold SOTG under a microscope for it. Its a fun show with a bunch of guys joking around talking about Starcraft 2 and what not.
First off, Idra didn't want to talk with avilo. Idra put up with avilo and talked about TvZ with him until avilo started talking over him and began putting words into his mouth. You can't blaim Idra for anything. He put up with it until it went too far.
Second, on Incontrol. The first thing avilo did when he got on to talk about TvZ was lay the foundation for a drama fest. He then gets overally defensive about a blog post about TvZ balance and says "ya just because he's not popular in the community doesn't mean he's wrong", or something along the lines of that. Really? Plus to add to this, avilo trash talked Incontrol a week or two ago in this thread about the WCS. I mean come on... Can you really hold Incontrol responsible when avilos opening statement was to start drama?
Third, on JP. JP handled the situation by hanging up on avilo and then talking to him after that saying that he was sorry and it was for the better. He even said that he did that on stream and even posted here saying that he did that.
Please, everyone just stfu. I look forward every week to SOTG and if everyone keeps looking at the show and the guests under a microscope and nitpick every single thing they do, we'll lose this show and possibly other shows and future shows that are in the making.
So please, just calm down and play some Starcraft 2. Pretty good summary of what happened. The TvZ talk between IdrA and qxc was amazing. Not only because they were both polite and articulate, but also because of Geoff with his pocket abacus in the middle of the screen. And Tyler as smart as ever. Very good show overall.
Yes the qxc and IdrA TvZ talk was really really good. So good that I wish they could get qxc as a regular guest on the show.
The pocket abacus was funny as hell. In the end they were all winners! 
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On June 30 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:47 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 02:44 Shiori wrote:On June 30 2012 02:42 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 02:38 Roggay wrote:On June 30 2012 02:38 Shiori wrote:On June 30 2012 02:35 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:32 ohampatu wrote:On June 30 2012 02:31 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote:
Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game. No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now. glad to see you skip the quote i posted, you could use some of it or why dont you go back to gamestop or something. we have enough bad programers that are failing at being esport celebrities edit: i mean, like, there is no 'reason' to treat him like that. no person deserves what you did, yet you believe that your in the right somehow haha you are so classic.. tell me to "go back to gamestop" because I am a "failed progamer" but then go on to lecture me about being nice.. HAHAHA This is my last response to you. Relish it, it's the most you will ever matter to SC2. Sigh, you are a really conceited person. It's becoming more and more apparent that Western progamers are drunk on fame. What a random observation lol. Don't worry about Shiori. I've come to recognize his name over the last few months because every post I see him make is just as silly as this one. Unfortunate that I only recognize people who post dumb things instead of the people who actually contribute to the community. You looked bad the last time we had an argument. Let's not do it again. Learn to disagree with people without hating them. I don't hate you. I just think every word that comes out of your mouth is stupid. I'm sorry you hold such a view.
No need to be sorry. It's not your fault, really.
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On June 30 2012 02:49 Eeevil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:38 Shiori wrote:On June 30 2012 02:35 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:32 ohampatu wrote:On June 30 2012 02:31 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote:
Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game. No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now. glad to see you skip the quote i posted, you could use some of it or why dont you go back to gamestop or something. we have enough bad programers that are failing at being esport celebrities edit: i mean, like, there is no 'reason' to treat him like that. no person deserves what you did, yet you believe that your in the right somehow haha you are so classic.. tell me to "go back to gamestop" because I am a "failed progamer" but then go on to lecture me about being nice.. HAHAHA This is my last response to you. Relish it, it's the most you will ever matter to SC2. Sigh, you are a really conceited person. It's becoming more and more apparent that Western progamers are drunk on fame. HA! Like Idra needs to be famous to be BM like that. Or Icontrol trolltanking a TL thread, Yeah he does that because he's famous. Have you youngsters never heard of this clan called [Media] Them kids know nothing these days.
Of course I've heard of them. [Media] is 90% of the reason half of these people still matter.
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if EGs teamhouse would spend 1 ct. for every swearword they say, we could prob. make a 1000$ showmatch idra vs avilo tomorrow...
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Avilo got 'trashed' because he didn't adhere to the rules of rational discussion concerning TvZ.
I don't see why IdrA or any member of the community watching the show had to put up with the nonsense coming from him, hence his prompt removal. It was wrong of Incontrol to suggest that Avilo come on to the show, but I believe he did it to show viewers exactly why he doesn't belong on there. Unfortunately, the whole incident has led to certain drama queens twisting information, much did Avilo did, into painting him in a favourable light, when really, he hasn't done anything to deserve even a shred of sympathy.
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Threads like this make me miss the strong counter strike 1.6 scene that existed in NA last decade....cs players could both dish it out AND take it. sc2 players like to dish it out(the treatment of avilo), but cry like babies when it comes to taking it like a bunch of 12yos. get some fuckin balls.
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On June 30 2012 02:47 Zach426 wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is still up in arms about all of this. Everyone just needs to go get some rays poolside and relax and realize all of this is petty stuff. Have a beer or three!
That's so unprofessional... Why would you even suggest such a thing that will no doubt KILL ESPORTS!
Seriously.. people in the community have become so uptight over EVERYTHING that it saddens me.
Remember when we would all laugh, have fun, and enjoy this game? Remember when we would watch SOTG each week and have a wonderful time with the hosts?
Why can't we have that anymore?
Why must you all find a reason to grab those pitchforks? Hang them up.. let the dust collect. And just have fun.
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On June 30 2012 02:44 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:42 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 02:38 Roggay wrote:On June 30 2012 02:38 Shiori wrote:On June 30 2012 02:35 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:32 ohampatu wrote:On June 30 2012 02:31 iNcontroL wrote:On June 30 2012 02:26 ohampatu wrote:
Dont use 'Avilo is Bad' as an excuse for what happened on that show Incontrol.
just because he isn't liked, doesn't mean you should put him on a show, and then trash the fuck out of him. I dont care if he was speaking fucking spanish.
I could break your whole post down point by point, but im one of those people your saying 'fuck you' too. Which is fine. Cause i dont know you, and from what im reading, honestly dont want to know you.
'Judge a person not by how he treats his equals, buy by how he treats his inferiors'. All of you on that show save NoNy and QXC could benefit from following the above quote You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game. No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now. glad to see you skip the quote i posted, you could use some of it or why dont you go back to gamestop or something. we have enough bad programers that are failing at being esport celebrities edit: i mean, like, there is no 'reason' to treat him like that. no person deserves what you did, yet you believe that your in the right somehow haha you are so classic.. tell me to "go back to gamestop" because I am a "failed progamer" but then go on to lecture me about being nice.. HAHAHA This is my last response to you. Relish it, it's the most you will ever matter to SC2. Sigh, you are a really conceited person. It's becoming more and more apparent that Western progamers are drunk on fame. What a random observation lol. Don't worry about Shiori. I've come to recognize his name over the last few months because every post I see him make is just as silly as this one. Unfortunate that I only recognize people who post dumb things instead of the people who actually contribute to the community. You looked bad the last time we had an argument. Let's not do it again. Learn to disagree with people without hating them.
Actually he's right. Everytime you say something it lowers the collective intelligence of the forum.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Why the fuck does every sc2 related forum or article always have so much fucking hate. Im tired of pussys complaining about every little thing and i cant even read any news without hearing the game sucks, players suck, leagues suck, esports sucks, esports doesnt grow, bw is better, this team sucks, player said x which is bad because of y. Why are you actually here? are you hear becasue you love the game or are you here to fucking occupy yourself with this all important drama. Grow a pair if your going to watch Sotg. Find a new way to increase your selfconfidence otherthan shitting on others and assuming what you do is better than others.
THis scene needs to stop demanding growth so that the real fans of the actually game will stay or people need to grow the fuck up. this isnt an issue, 80% of threads on sc2 general and reddit are just non-issues propelled by pussys. If you thought this looks bad on ESPORTS whats that to you? the quality of gameplay will not go down because some conversation on Stog, who wins the gsl will not matter even if idra thinks mkp is bad. What does Esports being mainstream benifit you as long as production is enough for you to fucking hear the commentary and see the supply.
The only reason why anyone should ever go to TL is becasue they either love sc2 or Bw, both idra and qxc made great comments on the balance of tvz yesterday but i bet none of you are relistening to that are you? just skip to 1:20 to hear the drama omgomgomg... I swear Sc2 is the only Esports community in which people actually dont like the game they play (or dont play). If you dont like the game leave, if you dont like stog dont watch it, if your buttheart whenever some1 speaks their fucking mind (like idra for example) cut off your ears. I swear there are probably more posts about Incontrol being bad in all of tl than the fucking sc2 strategy forum.
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On June 30 2012 02:49 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 02:47 Zach426 wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is still up in arms about all of this. Everyone just needs to go get some rays poolside and relax and realize all of this is petty stuff. Have a beer or three! I think everybody is just bored because there aren't any big tournaments going on right now. That's my theory, at least. For me, I just don't like seeing people get taken down in front of an audience. I actually really don't like Avilo because I think he's whiny, but I still wouldn't sink to such levels.
This.
I think alot of people who are angry at us 'complainers' think were angry for other reasons.
I think Avilo is worse than Incontrol when it comes to playing this game. His stream is 1/10 of incontrols. He is a pretty horrible person.
But like the above guy said. bashing him in front of 10k people (when the people dont know the context) is just an epitome of bad character
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On June 30 2012 02:42 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:39 Bommes wrote:
Can't believe people are calling this bullying, thats just mean towards children who are really bullied and no one is helping them.
Avilo is an adult human being and they had a discussion over the INTERNET. Saying that it is bullying is just attention whoring and some people drooling because they can't wait to get their pitchforks out again. The law would entirely disagree with you.
First off, "bullying" is not a crime. Assault(which is verbal), harassment and stalking are crimes. Nothing that happened on the show could be considered a crime or illegal. None of it would carry civil liability, since Avilo willing went on to the show and had was aware that some of the people on the show did not want to interact with him.
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Geoff, as a fan I don't quite understand your reaction to the drama here. I think most people agree with a previous poster, that the primary issue was simple : bullying / teasing someone who "seemed" like a normal kid on the show. That leaves a very bad taste in the mouth of most nerds here . . .
I'm sure there are reasons for the treatement etc., so why not just leave it at a plain and sincere: "It was a mistake, it won't happen again. Apologies."? No need to feed trolls or be hard on people who are upset with what happened.
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On June 30 2012 02:49 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 02:47 Zach426 wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is still up in arms about all of this. Everyone just needs to go get some rays poolside and relax and realize all of this is petty stuff. Have a beer or three! I think everybody is just bored because there aren't any big tournaments going on right now. That's my theory, at least. For me, I just don't like seeing people get taken down in front of an audience. I actually really don't like Avilo because I think he's whiny, but I still wouldn't sink to such levels.
Well that's fine, but the problem in this situation is that Avilo has been complaining for weeks about sotg not having a terran on the show, and how they should really bring him on the show blah blah blah. If Avilo wants to be on the show, then he should be prepared for to argue really well because of all the poo he has been flinging (I'm assuming you are aware of what "poo" I speak of, so I won't detail that). If he fails to make good points with strong support for them, he should be prepared for the consequences. It's not like he was invited into a small room for a private conversation, made fun of, and then the curtains are lifted and there's 10k people watching. He knew what he was getting in to.
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Can't say I'm surprised to see Shiori STILL here pressing F5 14 hours later continuing his smear campaign against the EG players. Give it a rest you lifeless troll, seriously. You have over 50 posts in this thread since lastnight and are still at it. We get it, you don't like EG and JP. There are only so many different ways you can say that before it gets rather annoying and redundant.
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