Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2412

On June 30 2012 02:39 ohampatu wrote:
i'll admit, the gamestop and failed progamer reference are because your being a douche to alot of people

On June 30 2012 02:39 ohampatu wrote:
i'll admit, the gamestop and failed progamer reference are because your being a douche to alot of people

On June 30 2012 02:39 Bommes wrote:
Can't believe people are calling this bullying, thats just mean towards children who are really bullied and no one is helping them.

Avilo is an adult human being and they had a discussion over the INTERNET. Saying that it is bullying is just attention whoring and some people drooling because they can't wait to get their pitchforks out again.

On June 30 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:

Just a few incidents in general have started to make this more obvious to me. I kinda figured from the start that most of their good manners were PR stunts, but based on this + some other stories I've heard (more so the responses to criticism than anything else) I'm starting to think progamers behave in many respects like ordinary people who won the lottery or something.

It's understandable, but some of these guys have been around forever. You'd think they'd have gotten over themselves.

On June 30 2012 02:41 ChuCky.Ca wrote:

actually hes being a douche to no one and most people see that and the few that dont like you keep trying to stir shit up

On June 30 2012 02:38 Roggay wrote:

What a random observation lol.

On June 30 2012 02:39 Bommes wrote:
Can't believe people are calling this bullying, thats just mean towards children who are really bullied and no one is helping them.

Avilo is an adult human being and they had a discussion over the INTERNET. Saying that it is bullying is just attention whoring and some people drooling because they can't wait to get their pitchforks out again.

On June 30 2012 02:23 dvorakftw wrote:

Let me break this down for you. If we define a zerg production cycle as the 3 natural larva plus the 4 from a Queen inject, a 3 base zerg will have 21 larva per cycle. When a zerg is at 60 drones, he can decide to either drone again or make units. They aren't two completely different scenarios. It's a very quick decision zerg can make that Terrans are either supposed to magic scan to detect (remember, IdrA says stop wasting money on Hellions) or just don't about it and let Zerg get its super army (again, taking IdrA's advice).

The point isn't that Terran's can't win. It's that they are now at a constant disadvantage in TvZ because they can't punish greedy Zergs. They are at a constant disadvantage in TvZ because there really isn't such a thing as a Zerg all-in any more. Even 6 pools can now break even for Zerg, though you have to do a little bit better with it than Greg does.

On June 30 2012 02:42 Roggay wrote:

Way to generalize the whole western proscene because you don't like some individuals.

On June 30 2012 02:31 iNcontroL wrote:


You must have a tough time reading.. I agree, we shouldn't have had him on the show. I also agree, it isn't just because he is horrible at the game.

No shit you don't know me.. you don't know any of the people you are commenting on.. it's evident. Go away now.

On June 30 2012 02:42 MichaelDonovan wrote:


Don't worry about Shiori. I've come to recognize his name over the last few months because every post I see him make is just as silly as this one. Unfortunate that I only recognize people who post dumb things instead of the people who actually contribute to the community.

On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote:
rabble rabble rabble ! ! ! !

I can't believe IdrA said stfu to someone! - WHO THE FUCK is shocked by this? SERIOUSLY. If IdrA doesn't like someone it has been shown, time in and time again that he will tell them exactly what he thinks. Avilo has EARNED his position in the community. 99% of the people bitching are looking in on something they have no clue about.. they see IdrA an etablished pro not being decent to Avilo a scumbag whiner who constantly attacks us every chance he can get.. it just so turns out nobody gives a damn because they were trained to ignore him by his constant balance whining.

Oh my god, iNcontroL is a bully because he was snickering during the interview and he makes fun of avilo! -- HELLO, I fucking mock EVERYONE. That very show I teased khaldor and wolf. Is there anyone I haven't mocked or teased? Does that make me a bully? Only if you are insecure or uninformed I guess. I mock friends AND I mock shit heads. Avilo happens to be a shit head. He is a broken record on balance AND he is a broken record on his insecurity with who is talking about him.. if that makes me a bully FINE. I guess that is the case. I fucking tried to hand that kid an olive branch and promoted his stream but he turns around and goes ape shit in this very thread one week ago naming me over and over as someone who failed in WCS which meant he was better etc etc.. I don't give a fuck if you guys don't understand my teasing and mocking of him but if you don't care to TRY to understand then wtf?

JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra, take his words and twist them and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him? I guess in some wierd internet way that would be less impolite.. ok.

We called it. We said this was Mia Rose all over again. A terrible idea amidst an otherwise fine show. So that is on us. But I got to be honest with you: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever. Get all up in arms about Avilo and start trashing IdrA, JP and myself. Asking for us to quit the show and leave SC2. This show isn't earning me or IdrA money. And lately, it has been really fucking annoying actually. We aren't allowed to make mistakes when we discuss shit. We have to give context for everything we say to be careful that some uppity 30 post prick who has been around for 6 months won't run off and try to create drama.

This shit WILL blow over because at the end of the day there is no grabby sound bite.. there is no image of greg double birding the screen in a fit of rage. There is a bunch of insecure asshats interpreting things as bad as they possibly can with 0 context for why Avilo was spoken to that way. It just sickens me how completely tunnel visioned a lot of this community is.. you WANT to get people fired you WANT to make people break and snap.. great.

Well enjoy your 2.3 days of drama. After this avilo will go on to shit on everyone he talks to that doesn't agree with him. He will continue to play the martyr for as long as the community will give him that attention. We are going to keep doing the show because most of you deserve it and we will continue to make the same kind of jokes and from time to time make mistakes by allowing people on the show that don't deserve it and bring out the worst in people.

On June 30 2012 02:25 Fueled wrote:
This is truly why we can't have nice things.

I'm a strong supporter of professionalism, but you can't hold SOTG under a microscope for it. Its a fun show with a bunch of guys joking around talking about Starcraft 2 and what not.

First off, Idra didn't want to talk with avilo. Idra put up with avilo and talked about TvZ with him until avilo started talking over him and began putting words into his mouth. You can't blaim Idra for anything. He put up with it until it went too far.

Second, on Incontrol. The first thing avilo did when he got on to talk about TvZ was lay the foundation for a drama fest. He then gets overally defensive about a blog post about TvZ balance and says "ya just because he's not popular in the community doesn't mean he's wrong", or something along the lines of that. Really? Plus to add to this, avilo trash talked Incontrol a week or two ago in this thread about the WCS. I mean come on... Can you really hold Incontrol responsible when avilos opening statement was to start drama?

Third, on JP. JP handled the situation by hanging up on avilo and then talking to him after that saying that he was sorry and it was for the better. He even said that he did that on stream and even posted here saying that he did that.

Please, everyone just stfu. I look forward every week to SOTG and if everyone keeps looking at the show and the guests under a microscope and nitpick every single thing they do, we'll lose this show and possibly other shows and future shows that are in the making.

So please, just calm down and play some Starcraft 2.

On June 30 2012 02:42 Femari wrote:

The law would entirely disagree with you.

On June 30 2012 02:46 Bommes wrote:


Well, have fun finding a lawyer who agrees that Avilo got bullied.

I'm no lawyer or anything, but hanging up on someone on a phone is none of my known definitions on bullying.

On June 30 2012 02:44 Shiori wrote:

You looked bad the last time we had an argument. Let's not do it again. Learn to disagree with people without hating them.

On June 30 2012 02:47 MichaelDonovan wrote:


I don't hate you. I just think every word that comes out of your mouth is stupid.