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On June 29 2012 11:47 andReslic wrote: JP and IdrA are retards for doing shit like that, never watching this bullshit again.
it was basically incontrols idea all of it, he seems to get off on bullying
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On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote: i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
I don't think that is how most people viewed the conversation. To be honest, the credibility you have for serious balance debate in this community is also fairly low. Backing it up with that kind of tone isn't doing anybody any favors.
Both sides made mistakes. It's too bad that it turned out the way it did, but I find it difficult to see the incident in a way where all of the blame is on Avilo.
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On June 29 2012 11:47 difused wrote: the fact that idra is still thinking that hellions could deny creepspread disqualifies himself for any balance discussion... nuff said
he didn't even say that. i guess u don't listen to him and pretend to understand what he said like avilo did.
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It's apparent now that the only reason Incontrol wanted to call avilo was so they could ridicule him. He even started before avilo got on. Avilo had some pertinent points to make and they continually cut him off and were down right rude, but I didn't expect anything else from them.
That picture they put up was avilo when he was 13 and that, too, was just put there to make fun of him. Nice going guys!
Idra said: "i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
@Idra, how can you lie when people were actually watching? Avilo never once raised his voice and he said, "I agree with what Idra said about..." and tried to explain, but your hatred didn't hear that.so you told him to STFU. Very mature of you.
All of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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On June 29 2012 11:29 Denzil wrote: oh man everyone asks for Avilo to come on
knowing what would happen
then Avilo comes on
and everyone complains
dat community
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On June 29 2012 11:46 JaeRaeGu wrote: sigh,, why did you guys bring Avilo? Feels like people just want someone to complain for them. its exactly what people want. They should have been satisfied with the great discussion qxc and idra had, which brought up valid points and things to try and explore. But people rather take the easy route and have someone agree with their complaining.
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On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote: i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so. Yeah rank 2 GM, he sure is getting Roflstomped, just be quiet please, IdrA does have some anger problems but at least hes actually good at the game and can actually construct a decent argument, unlike this vortex of butthurt you are displaying here.
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On June 29 2012 11:30 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:29 Denzil wrote: oh man everyone asks for Avilo to come on
knowing what would happen
then Avilo comes on
and everyone complains
dat community Did some people really thought it was gonna be a civil Avilo vs Idra argument on balance?
avilo was civil.
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Honestly, they shouldn't have even brought Avilo on. Everyone knew it was going to be a shit storm. What else did you expect? It happened exactly like I thought it would. But I still have the great respect for Idra and JP that I always have and will not compromise that because they ragged on Avilo. I probably would've done the same thing.
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even though avilo is my teammate, i feel like this was really immature of the show.
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On June 29 2012 11:47 difused wrote: the fact that idra is still thinking that hellions could deny creepspread disqualifies himself for any balance discussion... nuff said
Did you even listen to the debate at all? He actually said the contrary. Lol..
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On June 29 2012 11:47 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:46 hitpoint wrote:On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote: i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so. I'm embarrassed for you. Seriously, terrible. He makes a good point. Honestly, I dont' care that Idra's bad. I don't judge people based on skill. However, he has absolutely no right to be arrogant because while he may be better than Avilo (who is also bad) both of them are awful compared to top foreigners, let alone top Koreans.
I like Idra, although I gotta say talking about being aggressive off 3 CCs is fucking hilarious.
Come on Idra, didn't you play T in SC1? XFD
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On June 29 2012 11:48 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:42 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote: Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha...... - avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through. - the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end. with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine. avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable. you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra? 2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion 2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion 2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion 2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion 2011 IPL 1 Champion 2010 MLG DC Champion ....... yeah man, NO RESULTS. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA/Resultssome tourney you listed are not competitive (8 players invite, etc). Idra has been so behind he might as well be fallen off the map. A complete shame given how many people trusted him 8 player invitationals are not competitive...what?
anything to bash a polarizing community figure man, everything idra has done in the past 2 years is invalid
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On June 29 2012 11:48 Arkansassy wrote: It's apparent now that the only reason Incontrol wanted to call avilo was so they could ridicule him. He even started before avilo got on. Avilo had some pertinent points to make and they continually cut him off and were down right rude, but I didn't expect anything else from them.
That picture they put up was avilo when he was 13 and that, too, was just put there to make fun of him. Nice going guys!
Idra said: "i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
@Idra, how can you lie when people were actually watching? Avilo never once raised his voice and he said, "I agree with what Idra said about..." and tried to explain, but your hatred didn't hear that.so you told him to STFU. Very mature of you.
All of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Oh look its someone making up shit for fun.
JP put the picture up, he asked avilo if its actually him or not because he had no idea. How can you purposefully pick a picture that is bad of someone if you're not sure its them in the first place?
Stop makin stuff up thanks man.
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On June 29 2012 11:49 kinglemon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:30 Linwelin wrote:On June 29 2012 11:29 Denzil wrote: oh man everyone asks for Avilo to come on
knowing what would happen
then Avilo comes on
and everyone complains
dat community Did some people really thought it was gonna be a civil Avilo vs Idra argument on balance? avilo was civil.
He wasn't making any sense though which lead to IdrA getting mad
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On June 29 2012 11:45 RifleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote: i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show. Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so. Wow dude. You need to calm down or something. There's no use getting so mad over anything, let alone balance discussion.
wtf!!!!!! I'm not interested in balance here. What are you talking about? Mean people rub me the wrong way and people need to speak out and show some damn outrage.
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Boys, bring out the pitchforks. It's time to message some sponsors
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Hahaha, I loved this. Avilo vs Idra was hilarious. Unprofessional, but fucking hilarious.
But more importantly, QXC!!! So logical and chill yo. Just an awesome terran. :D His being on the show was just great. ^_^
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Can someone link the VOD plz? thx =D
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On June 29 2012 11:50 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 11:48 Arkansassy wrote: It's apparent now that the only reason Incontrol wanted to call avilo was so they could ridicule him. He even started before avilo got on. Avilo had some pertinent points to make and they continually cut him off and were down right rude, but I didn't expect anything else from them.
That picture they put up was avilo when he was 13 and that, too, was just put there to make fun of him. Nice going guys!
Idra said: "i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.
@Idra, how can you lie when people were actually watching? Avilo never once raised his voice and he said, "I agree with what Idra said about..." and tried to explain, but your hatred didn't hear that.so you told him to STFU. Very mature of you.
All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh look its someone making up shit for fun. JP put the picture up, he asked avilo if its actually him or not because he had no idea. How can you purposefully pick a picture that is bad of someone if you're not sure its them in the first place? Stop makin stuff up thanks man. Not sure if serious. It's pretty obvious that JP knew who it was.
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