• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:33
CET 19:33
KST 03:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1910 users

Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2372

Forum Index > SC2 General
54608 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2370 2371 2372 2373 2374 2731 Next
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47421
On June 29 2012 11:42 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously.

Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.

Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that.
You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ?
"Use your brain" lol.

I've seen you being salty about terran and a lot of things in this thread, so yea, i might have used the wrong words sorry.

Well I have to say that I'm not easily shocked, and I found this shocking. I don't really know Avilo tho, but that was just...really low.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47422
its funny how eg pulls a pr stunt like the mail room shit and then not less than 12 hours later completely destroys the credibility they managed to build up.. lol-worthy
n.Die_Jaedong
ashortstory
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil160 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47423
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.

where are the admins to actually temp-ban this guy?

oh because he`s idra?

your mods are fucking retards, yea.. ban me, at least let me see if ur going to ban him

User was banned for this post.
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47424
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


Wow dude. You need to calm down or something. There's no use getting so mad over anything, let alone balance discussion.
hohoho
wet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States5 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47425
JP really needs to get a more professional attitude. He's trying way too hard to pull off the alpha personality and it just doesn't fit him. I don't like hearing a curse word in every sentence no more than watching a host hanging up on guests you invited to the show.
The early episodes of the show were so great..
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47426
I don't understand how Idra is allowed to literally flame everyone and get away with it. I will never understand this. If I called Avilo, let alone JP, a piece of shit, I'd be crucified.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47427
On June 29 2012 11:45 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:42 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously.

Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.

Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that.
You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ?
"Use your brain" lol.

I've seen you being salty about terran and a lot of things in this thread, so yea, i might have used the wrong words sorry.

Well I have to say that I'm not easily shocked, and I found this shocking. I don't really know Avilo tho, but that was just...really low.

JP was in panic mode at that point.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:48:06
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47428
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


I'm embarrassed for you. Seems like your just trying to perpetuate a European stereotype. Seriously, terrible.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
JaeRaeGu
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (South)34 Posts
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47429
sigh,, why did you guys bring Avilo? Feels like people just want someone to complain for them.
difused
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany11 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47430
the fact that idra is still thinking that hellions could deny creepspread disqualifies himself for any balance discussion... nuff said
always go where the huskies go, but never eat the yellow snow!
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47431
On June 29 2012 11:42 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now


did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit

I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable.

you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra?


2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion
2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion
2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion
2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion
2011 IPL 1 Champion
2010 MLG DC Champion

....... yeah man, NO RESULTS.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA/Results

some tourney you listed are not competitive (8 players invite, etc). Idra has been so behind he might as well be fallen off the map. A complete shame given how many people trusted him
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47432
On June 29 2012 11:44 Mauldo wrote:
Best SOTG in forever. The QXC/Idra "Great Debate" was great for you "mature adults," but the Avilo/Idra "Hang up on him, I'm not going to talk to him anymore" clusterfuck was hilarious the entire way through. Right up to where Avilo tried to twist Idra's point about letting the Zerg get too far in economy for his own side, and Idra shut him down in the form of JP hanging up.

Perfection. Thank you so much. Made my night. Everyone joking and laughing up to, and after Avilo really lent the podcast a more old school feel that, now that I've seen it again, I realize I miss. Keep it up!

I feel exactly the same way. It's comforting after marauding through the 1 month later.., thread to hear Idra talk matter of factly about TvZ.
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47433
JP and IdrA are retards for doing shit like that, never watching this bullshit again.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47434
On June 29 2012 11:46 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


I'm embarrassed for you. Seriously, terrible.

He makes a good point. Honestly, I dont' care that Idra's bad. I don't judge people based on skill. However, he has absolutely no right to be arrogant because while he may be better than Avilo (who is also bad) both of them are awful compared to top foreigners, let alone top Koreans.
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47435
Yeah.. Idra was arrogant here, but I feel Avilo was just not at his place there, hardly following Idra and just bad arguing in general. It didn't seem like he had anything valid to say about pro SC2 balance.
Bad call JP, bad call.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47436
On June 29 2012 11:46 Shiori wrote:
I don't understand how Idra is allowed to literally flame everyone and get away with it. I will never understand this. If I called Avilo, let alone JP, a piece of shit, I'd be crucified.


Some people are more important than others.

We (however you want to figure that) individually are not important.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47437
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


So not being close to Koreans means that your bad? O-o? Wow than by your standards there must be an infinite amount of bad players who are actually really good at starcraft.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47438
On June 29 2012 11:46 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:45 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:42 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously.

Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.

Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that.
You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ?
"Use your brain" lol.

I've seen you being salty about terran and a lot of things in this thread, so yea, i might have used the wrong words sorry.

Well I have to say that I'm not easily shocked, and I found this shocking. I don't really know Avilo tho, but that was just...really low.

JP was in panic mode at that point.


kind of silly you MrCon expecting him to follow some sort of trainwreck protocol as if you in the same situation would do the same thing (and don't tell me you would that's just a dick answer)

he stopped the situation getting even worse and picked the lesser of 2 evils
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47439
On June 29 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:42 bokchoi wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now


did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit

I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable.

you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra?


2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion
2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion
2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion
2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion
2011 IPL 1 Champion
2010 MLG DC Champion

....... yeah man, NO RESULTS.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA/Results

some tourney you listed are not competitive (8 players invite, etc). Idra has been so behind he might as well be fallen off the map. A complete shame given how many people trusted him


8 player invitationals are not competitive...what?
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Jebediah
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany106 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47440
On June 29 2012 11:47 difused wrote:
the fact that idra is still thinking that hellions could deny creepspread disqualifies himself for any balance discussion... nuff said


He actually said that Hellions cannot deny creepspread and that you are throwing money away if you are still building them for that purpose.
Prev 1 2370 2371 2372 2373 2374 2731 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
17:00
Ro16 Group D
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
Liquipedia
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:55
FSL teamleague CNvsASH, ASHvRR
Freeedom48
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Railgan 192
IndyStarCraft 116
BRAT_OK 43
MindelVK 31
EmSc Tv 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 23831
Calm 2516
Shuttle 812
Stork 347
Dewaltoss 117
Rock 39
Shine 21
Dota 2
Gorgc6204
qojqva1770
Dendi954
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1156
byalli559
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor494
Other Games
tarik_tv765
Beastyqt667
DeMusliM301
Fuzer 220
Lowko215
Hui .207
CadenZie14
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream11742
Other Games
EGCTV672
gamesdonequick523
StarCraft 2
angryscii 31
EmSc Tv 12
EmSc2Tv 12
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 72
• HappyZerGling 61
• printf 19
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach46
• HerbMon 13
• Michael_bg 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2789
• WagamamaTV342
• Ler67
League of Legends
• Nemesis2893
Other Games
• imaqtpie1236
• Shiphtur313
Upcoming Events
OSC
27m
davetesta20
BSL 21
1h 27m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
15h 27m
RSL Revival
15h 27m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
17h 27m
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
17h 27m
BSL 21
1d 1h
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d 1h
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Wardi Open
1d 17h
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 22h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.