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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47421
On June 29 2012 11:42 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously.

Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.

Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that.
You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ?
"Use your brain" lol.

I've seen you being salty about terran and a lot of things in this thread, so yea, i might have used the wrong words sorry.

Well I have to say that I'm not easily shocked, and I found this shocking. I don't really know Avilo tho, but that was just...really low.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47422
its funny how eg pulls a pr stunt like the mail room shit and then not less than 12 hours later completely destroys the credibility they managed to build up.. lol-worthy
n.Die_Jaedong
ashortstory
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil160 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47423
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.

where are the admins to actually temp-ban this guy?

oh because he`s idra?

your mods are fucking retards, yea.. ban me, at least let me see if ur going to ban him

User was banned for this post.
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47424
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


Wow dude. You need to calm down or something. There's no use getting so mad over anything, let alone balance discussion.
hohoho
wet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States5 Posts
June 29 2012 02:45 GMT
#47425
JP really needs to get a more professional attitude. He's trying way too hard to pull off the alpha personality and it just doesn't fit him. I don't like hearing a curse word in every sentence no more than watching a host hanging up on guests you invited to the show.
The early episodes of the show were so great..
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47426
I don't understand how Idra is allowed to literally flame everyone and get away with it. I will never understand this. If I called Avilo, let alone JP, a piece of shit, I'd be crucified.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47427
On June 29 2012 11:45 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:42 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously.

Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.

Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that.
You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ?
"Use your brain" lol.

I've seen you being salty about terran and a lot of things in this thread, so yea, i might have used the wrong words sorry.

Well I have to say that I'm not easily shocked, and I found this shocking. I don't really know Avilo tho, but that was just...really low.

JP was in panic mode at that point.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:48:06
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47428
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


I'm embarrassed for you. Seems like your just trying to perpetuate a European stereotype. Seriously, terrible.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
JaeRaeGu
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (South)34 Posts
June 29 2012 02:46 GMT
#47429
sigh,, why did you guys bring Avilo? Feels like people just want someone to complain for them.
difused
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany11 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47430
the fact that idra is still thinking that hellions could deny creepspread disqualifies himself for any balance discussion... nuff said
always go where the huskies go, but never eat the yellow snow!
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47431
On June 29 2012 11:42 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now


did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit

I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable.

you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra?


2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion
2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion
2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion
2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion
2011 IPL 1 Champion
2010 MLG DC Champion

....... yeah man, NO RESULTS.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA/Results

some tourney you listed are not competitive (8 players invite, etc). Idra has been so behind he might as well be fallen off the map. A complete shame given how many people trusted him
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47432
On June 29 2012 11:44 Mauldo wrote:
Best SOTG in forever. The QXC/Idra "Great Debate" was great for you "mature adults," but the Avilo/Idra "Hang up on him, I'm not going to talk to him anymore" clusterfuck was hilarious the entire way through. Right up to where Avilo tried to twist Idra's point about letting the Zerg get too far in economy for his own side, and Idra shut him down in the form of JP hanging up.

Perfection. Thank you so much. Made my night. Everyone joking and laughing up to, and after Avilo really lent the podcast a more old school feel that, now that I've seen it again, I realize I miss. Keep it up!

I feel exactly the same way. It's comforting after marauding through the 1 month later.., thread to hear Idra talk matter of factly about TvZ.
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47433
JP and IdrA are retards for doing shit like that, never watching this bullshit again.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47434
On June 29 2012 11:46 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


I'm embarrassed for you. Seriously, terrible.

He makes a good point. Honestly, I dont' care that Idra's bad. I don't judge people based on skill. However, he has absolutely no right to be arrogant because while he may be better than Avilo (who is also bad) both of them are awful compared to top foreigners, let alone top Koreans.
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
June 29 2012 02:47 GMT
#47435
Yeah.. Idra was arrogant here, but I feel Avilo was just not at his place there, hardly following Idra and just bad arguing in general. It didn't seem like he had anything valid to say about pro SC2 balance.
Bad call JP, bad call.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47436
On June 29 2012 11:46 Shiori wrote:
I don't understand how Idra is allowed to literally flame everyone and get away with it. I will never understand this. If I called Avilo, let alone JP, a piece of shit, I'd be crucified.


Some people are more important than others.

We (however you want to figure that) individually are not important.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47437
On June 29 2012 11:43 ][Primarch][ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:36 IdrA wrote:
i was quiet and let him finish his point, the moment i started talking he started yelling over me and saying i agreed with him when i quite explicitly didnt. hes a fucking imbecile and has no place in anything serious in the community and jp's a piece of shit for bringing him on the show.


Seriosuly, you are bad at this game, you are not close to the koreans, the EU zergs and a bunch of na zergs roflstomp you, ur just a pr guy, you should not be telling terrans what to do since you can't even play zerg at the highest level. You are also a hypocrite and just a mean and bad mannered person in general and someday you will probably pay the price. I despise you and I am not alone in the sc2 community to do so.


So not being close to Koreans means that your bad? O-o? Wow than by your standards there must be an infinite amount of bad players who are actually really good at starcraft.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47438
On June 29 2012 11:46 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:45 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:42 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:41 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:32 Roggay wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, whatever they said...you just don't invite a guy on your show to just hang up on him like that, wtf seriously.

Like JP had a choice, the show was going to hell, and its not like he was going to hang up on Idra to keep Avilo on the show... use your brain.

Seriously, "use your brain", I can't believe you said that.
You can still say something and not cut him like that ? You can cut his mic, say that the debates ends here, thanks for coming, bye ?
"Use your brain" lol.

I've seen you being salty about terran and a lot of things in this thread, so yea, i might have used the wrong words sorry.

Well I have to say that I'm not easily shocked, and I found this shocking. I don't really know Avilo tho, but that was just...really low.

JP was in panic mode at that point.


kind of silly you MrCon expecting him to follow some sort of trainwreck protocol as if you in the same situation would do the same thing (and don't tell me you would that's just a dick answer)

he stopped the situation getting even worse and picked the lesser of 2 evils
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47439
On June 29 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:42 bokchoi wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:37 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:36 bokchoi wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:33 iky43210 wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:31 GuardianEU wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:24 sekritzzz wrote:
Avilo owned Idra in that debate and made him look like a kid haha. He had some serious points and was a better man....... idra turned to personal attacks, then swearing, then said he doesnt want to talk haha......


- avilo didn't debate, he twisted words, made up statistics, came too conclusions without thinking them through.

- the only reason it seemed like avilo as being bullied was because he played the victim role form the start. he didn't take the oppertunity to have a decent debate about the balance of tvz, he used false truths and absically said tvz is unbalanced and he said idra agreed near the end.

with such a debating partner, I wouldn't have kept a cool face for 2 minutes. that wasn't a debate, it was a grolified whine.

avilo was debating much more rationally than idra ever was. He actually lets idra finishes talking unlike certain mad baby that loves to interrupt people and call people bad when he has NO RESULTS

just because you can't fully grasp his points doesn't make it invalid. Sure, he overexaggerates, but many of his points are what terran feels right now


did you really argue that idra has no results?.. REALLY? idra as bad as his slump has been is still one of the most succesful foreigners to date, whereas avilo hasn't done shit

I stand corrected, idra has NO RESULTS. He's not in a slump, he has NO RESULTS.He is as good as Jinro is in my book, except Jinro is actually likable.

you don't talk down to someone just because he is not as successful than you. Does MVP being best player in sc2 gives him the right to stump on lesser player like Idra?


2011 ASUS ROG Stars Invite Champion
2011 IEM Guangzhou Champion
2011 MLG NA Invitational Champion
2011 IeSF NA Qualifiers Champion
2011 IPL 1 Champion
2010 MLG DC Champion

....... yeah man, NO RESULTS.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IdrA/Results

some tourney you listed are not competitive (8 players invite, etc). Idra has been so behind he might as well be fallen off the map. A complete shame given how many people trusted him


8 player invitationals are not competitive...what?
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Jebediah
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany106 Posts
June 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#47440
On June 29 2012 11:47 difused wrote:
the fact that idra is still thinking that hellions could deny creepspread disqualifies himself for any balance discussion... nuff said


He actually said that Hellions cannot deny creepspread and that you are throwing money away if you are still building them for that purpose.
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